Well, my youngest brother wasn't spanked and he's a right cunt. Whereas me and my only slightly younger brother were and we're lovely people.
First off all I see spanking as a light hit that should not cause any sort of physical harm. The way some people talk about it as if spanking means getting a baseball bat and going to town on your kid.
I say light spanking is fine, so what you see your parents as pricks for a while, in most cases it makes you a better person by not making that mistake ever again!
Parents who physically abuse their kids are just wrong in the head.
I think that in schools there should be one teacher who is allowed to use cane IMO. I see it everyday in my school (its not a shit school either but its slowly going there through the lack of parenting from parents). A kid gets told leave the classroom and go somewhere else, but he refuses. The teachers then can do absolutely nothing. because kids know there "rights" and the teachers don't want to pick the little pricks up and move them because they know there parents are probably going to be wankers and file a law suit or something.
I say light spanking is fine, so what you see your parents as pricks for a while, in most cases it makes you a better person by not making that mistake ever again!
Parents who physically abuse their kids are just wrong in the head.
I think that in schools there should be one teacher who is allowed to use cane IMO. I see it everyday in my school (its not a shit school either but its slowly going there through the lack of parenting from parents). A kid gets told leave the classroom and go somewhere else, but he refuses. The teachers then can do absolutely nothing. because kids know there "rights" and the teachers don't want to pick the little pricks up and move them because they know there parents are probably going to be wankers and file a law suit or something.
I remember my mom torn us a new asshole when she got upset. She has admitted it was wrong, as she was basically still a kid when she started having my brother, sister, and I, and she didn't know how to handle it all. Spanking is ok, but skin on skin is not. Belts and other objects are the evil side of it all. My mom used to wail on us and she'd basically hit us in the back and legs, missing our asses each time. We knew not to mess with her when we knew a belt was the punishment.
Pretty sad.
Pretty sad.
The reality is, parents nowadays want to be friendly to their kids, more like their best friends than authority figures. That's the root of ALL of society's problems.
Okay, fine, maybe not. But yet, we see kids getting away with anything and everything. I think we should have military service being mandatory EVERYWHERE. I mean, if the kids grow up seeing that their parents don't care if they do stupid things, then they'll continue in life. If, on the other hand, the parents assert their dominance, exacting respect and discipline, then it'll be better for all involved.
Trust me, I wish my parents had done so. They aren't that bad, but their methods of discipline don't work. Now, I have little self-discipline, and I often have to take care of my brothers' problems myself, because my parents say "whatever, it's okay".
Okay, fine, maybe not. But yet, we see kids getting away with anything and everything. I think we should have military service being mandatory EVERYWHERE. I mean, if the kids grow up seeing that their parents don't care if they do stupid things, then they'll continue in life. If, on the other hand, the parents assert their dominance, exacting respect and discipline, then it'll be better for all involved.
Trust me, I wish my parents had done so. They aren't that bad, but their methods of discipline don't work. Now, I have little self-discipline, and I often have to take care of my brothers' problems myself, because my parents say "whatever, it's okay".
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+1, well said.Turquoise wrote:
Spanking is like any other form of discipline. If done right, it works. However, a lot of people don't know how to be reasonable about it and abuse results from this.
Still, it's pretty naive to dismiss this practice altogether.
This is more a matter of making sure parents use good judgment in the application of discipline. If they start abusing their child (like when permanent injuries result from it), then that's when social services have to get involved.
I would challenge any nay sayers here to first raise some children (especially somewhat "wayward" ones), and then judge. THere is an appropriate response for "individual" actions committed by kids. Parent's do need to learn those proportionally appropriate responses. When my kid darts in front of a car, or runs from me or their mom in a grocery store (or target or costco and gets lost and risks being kidnapped), then yes, a proportional "fear driven" physical response is neccesary if it'll work. When I smack my kids rearends, lessons are learned.
More importantly, as taught in the Mormon church, it is more important to follow up with any discipline, reproving, or stern admonitions with an equal amount of love and kindness. For example, when I do give a good, hearty, solid swat on my 4 year old's butt because he's been jumping off furniture repeatedly and ignored the last few warnings, he is talked to after the crying and subsequent "standing in the corner for 5 minutes." DUring said talk (yes, this is done authentically EVERY TIME it happens), I explain to him how much I hate to spank him because of how much I love him and want him to obey. He learns that even though I spank him, I still love him as much as ever and I want to stay friends and play and be funny together, but it can't happen when he's not listening and getting in trouble, etc, etc.
Absent the talk afterwards when the child is sufficiently humbled and ready to learn/listen, such discipline is much closer to the accusatory "abuse" denoted in the OP. And obviously, striking the face/head, genitals, or other such dangerous hitting is seriously abusive and such parents need to be beaten in return for doing that to their kids..or other kids.
Oh, as for schools, no. Nobody should ever assume the parental role in discipline..ever. Of course, there is no reason why a teacher can't video record their classes and share bad behavior episodes with parents for proper disciplining. Why would a teacher want to get involved with such a thing? Their job isn't to parent, discipline, or keep a class in order..it's to teach, and let parents do their job..or boot the kids. That simple.
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