Benzin
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Mek, if you have to ask - you can't afford it.

TSI wrote:

It's a pity that Ferrari, who once claimed to be manufacturing the best cars in the world, is slipping so. Lately (the past 15 years), we've seen some nice cars (Testarossa, 599 GTB Fiorano), and some really, really ugly ones (F355, F430, 612 Scaglietti, Enzo). What is it with Ferrari making better-performing cars, with amazing mechanical innards, but with the kind of exterior you'd see, well, in a kids' book?

If one looks at the cars, one will see that the so-called aerodynamism of the "ugly" cars stated above has taken precedence over beauty? What happened to the beauties of the 60s and the early 80s? Those air scoops on the F430's front bumper make me shudder. The ugly squareness of the F355 was worse. WHy couldn't they keep the Testarossa? That one had style. The 612 looks like a transatlantic liner that's probably excellent for hitting 300 klicks on a straight line, the kind you only get on rainy days in western Germany. And I won't even go on about the Enzo. Sure, it goes fast. Sure, it's powerful. Sure, its way overproces. But does it look nice? NYET!!! It looks like a NASA experiment gone wrong and that can't take off.

And now, we get this "California". As was said above, gay name. As we ca nsee by the front, Paris Hilton's next car. As we can see by the performance, her insurance agent's nighmare. But tell me, what's the point of rolling out this piece of styling disaster? Ferrari already has the F430, the Scuderia, the Spider, which have better performance, look marginally better, and cost about the same? Does this sound like GM putting on the market a series of identical cars? Of course, it has a different layout, new tech, all the supposedly good stuff. But what's it purpose?

I apologize to those who feel slighted by this attack upon a high-class automaker such as Ferrari. But, in all honesty, I beg you to consider this idea of mine; for value and style, and the maximum performance you'll be able to use on 99% of roads, why not buy a DBS, a Vantage, or my personal favourite, the Audi R8-RS??
As stated above, the name of the California is a classic. Frankly, I don't mind the name, just the styling.

You said the 355 is ugly, though? Dude, it's like a mini-512. I can't believe that you like the 599, though. That car is so horribly styled and drawn it begs to be taken off the production line. The 612? I'll agree - horribly plain. Nothing about that car sends me over the moon.

Obviously, TSI, you have no idea about exotics. You truly don't. The 612 is essentially just an Aston Martin but as a Ferrari. Built for the same purpose. The Aston looks better, but the Aston is also heavy as shit. Astons are nice, but there are better.

I'd take a Porsche Turbo over any of the cars. That's a car that can be daily driven and is nice and subtle. If I want a balls out car, though, well ... it certainly gets the job done nicely.
Vilham
Say wat!?
+580|7237|UK

Parker wrote:

Vilham wrote:

jsnipy wrote:

lol at any hater. If someone offered this to to you you teabag those seats in a heartbeat.
Actually I would sell it, straight away. Why would I be interested in a womans car? Something you aint telling jsnipy?
id swerve that....womans car or not, its better than what 99% of the world carts their fat asses around in.
Sell it and buy a mans sports car is what I was getting at. I sure as hell wouldnt be seen driving that unless I had to.
Poseidon
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Audi R8 Le Mans > Any car besides the Bugatti Veyron or a Lambo.

https://www.rsportscars.com/foto/09/audir807.jpg
Jenspm
penis
+1,716|7203|St. Andrews / Oslo

Poseidon wrote:

Audi R8 Le Mans > Any car besides the Bugatti Veyron or a Lambo.

http://www.rsportscars.com/foto/09/audir807.jpg
fuck sake.


R8 is the best looking Audi out there, but that's only because the others look shit (other than that new one, can't remember the name). Don't get me wrong, it's very nice, but overrated IMO.


Bugatti Veyron is one of the ugliest cars ever.


Lambo tries to hard.



Sexy cars can be found here.
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SEREMAKER
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https://www.topgear.com/content/news/stories/2843/images/1/large.jpg

Do you see what I see ............................ look closely



closer


closer

they gave it a face ........................ awwwww how sweet of ferrari to do that
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M.O.A.B
'Light 'em up!'
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SEREMAKER wrote:

http://www.topgear.com/content/news/sto … /large.jpg

Do you see what I see ............................ look closely



closer


closer

they gave it a face ........................ awwwww how sweet of ferrari to do that
Benzin
Member
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Audi R8 is one of the ugliest cars around. What the hell are you people on?
Poseidon
Fudgepack DeQueef
+3,253|7008|Long Island, New York

CapnNismo wrote:

Audi R8 is one of the ugliest cars around. What the hell are you people on?
Some awesome crack, apparentely.

Tony Stark drove an R8.

Therefore, the R8 > You.
Benzin
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Audi also had a bit of a sponsorship. Downey Jr was just handed the keys and told to drive it. I imagine a billionaire like Tony Stark would've driven something a bit faster and better than an R8.
Poseidon
Fudgepack DeQueef
+3,253|7008|Long Island, New York

CapnNismo wrote:

Audi also had a bit of a sponsorship. Downey Jr was just handed the keys and told to drive it. I imagine a billionaire like Tony Stark would've driven something a bit faster and better than an R8.
So even though it has 414 HP and can go 0-60 in 4 seconds flat, you expected him to drive something "better"? Ooooooookay then.

The R8's gotten so many awards (Top Gear being one of them) for best car of the year for '07 and '08...and you guys think it's not that good?

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Bell
Frosties > Cornflakes
+362|7020|UK

CapnNismo wrote:

Audi also had a bit of a sponsorship. Downey Jr was just handed the keys and told to drive it. I imagine a billionaire like Tony Stark would've driven something a bit faster and better than an R8.
Define better?  You just mean quicker dont you? 

The R8, like the 911 is one of the only true every day super cars (though that said, the 911 looks really anoy me, after 40 years of evolution, its just had to many incarnations, the current one looks like it was desinged by a commitee).  It doesnt do your head in after 20mins, you have plenty visibility and its extremely refined.  All the rest of the cars in its class have there anoying problems, astons can squeek to fuck at times, and ferraris, well, its just a posh fiat now.  If I could have any one car it probably be the R8, there are quicker ones out but its probably the best all rounder by a country mile.

Or, if your feeling a bit more daring how about this:

http://www.classic-recreations.com/

I just got back to the states and am seriously considering getting my name down for one of these.  Even to sell it on to make a profit, LOOK AT IT!

Edit:  Agreed with Poseidon

Martyn

Last edited by Bell (2008-05-19 12:44:03)

Jenspm
penis
+1,716|7203|St. Andrews / Oslo

Poseidon wrote:

CapnNismo wrote:

Audi also had a bit of a sponsorship. Downey Jr was just handed the keys and told to drive it. I imagine a billionaire like Tony Stark would've driven something a bit faster and better than an R8.
So even though it has 414 HP and can go 0-60 in 4 seconds flat, you expected him to drive something "better"? Ooooooookay then.

The R8's gotten so many awards (Top Gear being one of them) for best car of the year for '07 and '08...and you guys think it's not that good?
Yes, It's a brilliant car, but I just don't like the looks of it tbh.


I'd rather have a 911 Turbo.
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Poseidon
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Jenspm wrote:

Poseidon wrote:

CapnNismo wrote:

Audi also had a bit of a sponsorship. Downey Jr was just handed the keys and told to drive it. I imagine a billionaire like Tony Stark would've driven something a bit faster and better than an R8.
So even though it has 414 HP and can go 0-60 in 4 seconds flat, you expected him to drive something "better"? Ooooooookay then.

The R8's gotten so many awards (Top Gear being one of them) for best car of the year for '07 and '08...and you guys think it's not that good?
Yes, It's a brilliant car, but I just don't like the looks of it tbh.


I'd rather have a 911 Turbo.
You think a 911 looks better than an R8?

What the fuck.
jsnipy
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+3,277|6993|...

Jenspm wrote:

I'd rather have a 911 Turbo.
QFE. Realistic and practical for everyday driving.
Jenspm
penis
+1,716|7203|St. Andrews / Oslo

Poseidon wrote:

Jenspm wrote:

Poseidon wrote:


So even though it has 414 HP and can go 0-60 in 4 seconds flat, you expected him to drive something "better"? Ooooooookay then.

The R8's gotten so many awards (Top Gear being one of them) for best car of the year for '07 and '08...and you guys think it's not that good?
Yes, It's a brilliant car, but I just don't like the looks of it tbh.


I'd rather have a 911 Turbo.
You think a 911 looks better than an R8?

What the fuck.
Yes, I fucking love it.


I also bet I'll beat you around the track with it
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FatherTed
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Awww man that looks nice, heading back towards the 250 looks almost.
Small hourglass island
Always raining and foggy
Use an umbrella
pers0nah
Waste Kid
+271|7053|MANCHESTERRR
dunno whether i like it

kinda looks like a jumped up Toyota MR2
Poseidon
Fudgepack DeQueef
+3,253|7008|Long Island, New York

Jenspm wrote:

Poseidon wrote:

Jenspm wrote:


Yes, It's a brilliant car, but I just don't like the looks of it tbh.


I'd rather have a 911 Turbo.
You think a 911 looks better than an R8?

What the fuck.
Yes, I fucking love it.


I also bet I'll beat you around the track with it
You're on, bitch! When you're coughing up my fumes, you won't even be able to say "I was wrong".
kylef
Gone
+1,352|6964|N. Ireland
^ Someone's been watching too much Top Gear - Audi R8 vs Porsche!
M.O.A.B
'Light 'em up!'
+1,220|6694|Escea

https://www.motorator.com/images/blog_archives/2007/06/2008_viper_concept_1.jpg

Looks like a batmobile lol

but this > all

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=NHB=Shadow
hi
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There is a Spyder 2000 parked in my driveway as I type this(Its my cousin's car)
TSI
Cholera in the time of love
+247|6452|Toronto

CapnNismo wrote:

Mek, if you have to ask - you can't afford it.

TSI wrote:

It's a pity that Ferrari, who once claimed to be manufacturing the best cars in the world, is slipping so. Lately (the past 15 years), we've seen some nice cars (Testarossa, 599 GTB Fiorano), and some really, really ugly ones (F355, F430, 612 Scaglietti, Enzo). What is it with Ferrari making better-performing cars, with amazing mechanical innards, but with the kind of exterior you'd see, well, in a kids' book?

If one looks at the cars, one will see that the so-called aerodynamism of the "ugly" cars stated above has taken precedence over beauty? What happened to the beauties of the 60s and the early 80s? Those air scoops on the F430's front bumper make me shudder. The ugly squareness of the F355 was worse. WHy couldn't they keep the Testarossa? That one had style. The 612 looks like a transatlantic liner that's probably excellent for hitting 300 klicks on a straight line, the kind you only get on rainy days in western Germany. And I won't even go on about the Enzo. Sure, it goes fast. Sure, it's powerful. Sure, its way overproces. But does it look nice? NYET!!! It looks like a NASA experiment gone wrong and that can't take off.

And now, we get this "California". As was said above, gay name. As we ca nsee by the front, Paris Hilton's next car. As we can see by the performance, her insurance agent's nighmare. But tell me, what's the point of rolling out this piece of styling disaster? Ferrari already has the F430, the Scuderia, the Spider, which have better performance, look marginally better, and cost about the same? Does this sound like GM putting on the market a series of identical cars? Of course, it has a different layout, new tech, all the supposedly good stuff. But what's it purpose?

I apologize to those who feel slighted by this attack upon a high-class automaker such as Ferrari. But, in all honesty, I beg you to consider this idea of mine; for value and style, and the maximum performance you'll be able to use on 99% of roads, why not buy a DBS, a Vantage, or my personal favourite, the Audi R8-RS??
As stated above, the name of the California is a classic. Frankly, I don't mind the name, just the styling.

You said the 355 is ugly, though? Dude, it's like a mini-512. I can't believe that you like the 599, though. That car is so horribly styled and drawn it begs to be taken off the production line. The 612? I'll agree - horribly plain. Nothing about that car sends me over the moon.

Obviously, TSI, you have no idea about exotics. You truly don't. The 612 is essentially just an Aston Martin but as a Ferrari. Built for the same purpose. The Aston looks better, but the Aston is also heavy as shit. Astons are nice, but there are better.

I'd take a Porsche Turbo over any of the cars. That's a car that can be daily driven and is nice and subtle. If I want a balls out car, though, well ... it certainly gets the job done nicely.

Okay then. Dispute my taste if you must, I think we can agree it's a subjective attribute anyways. Most people here have agreed with me that this new California is a dud. The name itself is from the 60s. That's just embarassing. Do they not have anything new to name it?
But you say that I have no idea about exotics. Why? Because I think the 355 is a styling fail? I can understand you, I'm sure that on Sunset Boulevard it would look just fine. For me, the only place where one can gauge the quality of a car is Schwarzwald, and the A5 and A8 autobahnen. THere, you will see that style is a must a low speeds, technical proficiency at high speeds and in the demanding Black Forest mountains.  It is there that the R8-RS will excel, being fully capable of conquering any terrain, added to its impressive everyday driveability.  I'm not saying that either Astons or Ferraris are better for both. The R8-RS wins. Ferraris have impressive, albeit unreliable engines, while the Astons have unbeatable style. The 997 Turbo? Meh--too much weight in the rear. And, I can't fit in it anyways. (Too tall).
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coke
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Apparently the original California's are now worth £5 million, if you are a stupid ginger twat     
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Benzin
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Let's see, if I was Tony Stark ... I'd have a Zonda or a Bugatti Veyron. Sorry, but if I've got a fucking shit ton of money, I'm buying the best on the market.

I respect the performance of the R8, just like all the new Ferraris - but I supremely hate the looks of those cars. I truly hate them. I think they are a bastardization of styling. There are pieces of each car that have good ideas, but as a complete thing, they're fucking hideous. Like the 599 - from certain angles it looks all right. But as a total package, it's hideous. Same with the R8. I love the rear end, I love the scoops in the rear, but in profile, and from the front, I can't stand it. The headlights piss me off more than anything.

What I am saying, is if I am going to be dropping $100k+ on a car, I want it to be perfect. But that's what is great about exotics - everyone of us has a different 10 year old living inside him and they all like different things. But I think the R8 is hideous. I love its performance, but I just hate it. If someone gave me one, I'd take it straight to the Porsche dealer or the Nissan dealer (GT-R). The R8 isn't much difference performance wise from the Porsche, but the Porsche doesn't activate my gag reflex.

TSI - you're trying to gauge performance of a 355 to an R8. The technology in those cars is so different. Leaps and bounds have been made between those two generations. The 355 was one of the best cars back in the day. If you want a car that will demolish the R8/911 Turbo, get the new GT-R. Thinking about it now, I would probably rather have that over a 911 Turbo, but that's a tough call.

The 911, yes, has a strange engine configuration. But the engineers have managed to make it work. Before the new GT-R, the 911 Turbo turned out times on the 'Ring faster than any other production car (with the exception of the Carerra GT). Sorry, but that's amazing. Either of those cars can take on any road terrain (other than stuff you'd need a 4x4 for) and excel. The R8 will excel. When you get to this point, the differences are minute.

Ferraris nowadays are actually very reliable cars. They're not the high strung engines that needed valve adjustment every few thousand miles like they used to be. Ferrari realized that was a problem because the competition had just as good motors with similar performance and more reliability. But unfortunately, their new batch of cars coming out of Pininfarina are all hideous. Ah well.

What I am saying mostly: Most of the big marquees are making new cars that just suck. Great performance, but they are lacking all around. Don't even get me started on BMW and that cluster fuck ...

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