Flaming_Maniac
prince of insufficient light
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http://www.window.state.tx.us/taxinfo/taxpubs/tx98_836/

It seems like a good idea to me, much better than tax breaks for things like hybrid cars. The best part of the automotive incentives was that it helped get older cars off the road, but the difference in the cars replacing them between hybrids and normal cars really just isn't much to write home about. Appliances however still have a very significant gap in the cheap and the energy efficient, and promoting energy efficiency in the home is I think one of the most important things consumers can make an impact on as far as energy reduction/independence.

Especially here in Texas however I think they need to emphasize the importance of insulation and window seals. Last year my parents had energy efficient window screens put in that essentially act as a radiant energy barrier, keeping the hot out in the summer and in in the winter. It was a pretty significant insulation cost, but I believe it lowered our electricity bill in the summer by about a third.
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6828|North Carolina
Great idea...  We should also remove all business tax breaks for oil exploration and replace them with tax breaks for alternative energy research.
Flaming_Maniac
prince of insufficient light
+2,490|7130|67.222.138.85

Turquoise wrote:

Great idea...  We should also remove all business tax breaks for oil exploration and replace them with tax breaks for alternative energy research.
Balance...besides wreaking the market, we would become nearly completely dependent on foreign oil if alternative energy didn't pan out.
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6828|North Carolina

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Great idea...  We should also remove all business tax breaks for oil exploration and replace them with tax breaks for alternative energy research.
Balance...besides wreaking the market, we would become nearly completely dependent on foreign oil if alternative energy didn't pan out.
There is no reason we should be subsidizing anything oil related, considering the profit margin involved.
Flaming_Maniac
prince of insufficient light
+2,490|7130|67.222.138.85

Turquoise wrote:

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Great idea...  We should also remove all business tax breaks for oil exploration and replace them with tax breaks for alternative energy research.
Balance...besides wreaking the market, we would become nearly completely dependent on foreign oil if alternative energy didn't pan out.
There is no reason we should be subsidizing anything oil related, considering the profit margin involved.
Just because it isn't corrupt and the perfect example of American corporate greed doesn't mean stopping it is the best course of action.
OrangeHound
Busy doing highfalutin adminy stuff ...
+1,335|7072|Washington DC

Turquoise wrote:

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Great idea...  We should also remove all business tax breaks for oil exploration and replace them with tax breaks for alternative energy research.
Balance...besides wreaking the market, we would become nearly completely dependent on foreign oil if alternative energy didn't pan out.
There is no reason we should be subsidizing anything oil related, considering the profit margin involved.
Isn't that more coal related than oil related?  I mean, we use some oil for electricity production, but the US uses mostly coal and then hydro/nuke, etc.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d4/Sources_of_electricity_in_the_USA_2006.png/800px-Sources_of_electricity_in_the_USA_2006.png
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6828|North Carolina

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Flaming_Maniac wrote:


Balance...besides wreaking the market, we would become nearly completely dependent on foreign oil if alternative energy didn't pan out.
There is no reason we should be subsidizing anything oil related, considering the profit margin involved.
Just because it isn't corrupt and the perfect example of American corporate greed doesn't mean stopping it is the best course of action.
wha?  I think you wrote something wrong here....
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6828|North Carolina

OrangeHound wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Flaming_Maniac wrote:


Balance...besides wreaking the market, we would become nearly completely dependent on foreign oil if alternative energy didn't pan out.
There is no reason we should be subsidizing anything oil related, considering the profit margin involved.
Isn't that more coal related than oil related?  I mean, we use some oil for electricity production, but the US uses mostly coal and then hydro/nuke, etc.
Good point...  I think it's both....  Either way, we shouldn't subsidize either.
OrangeHound
Busy doing highfalutin adminy stuff ...
+1,335|7072|Washington DC

Turquoise wrote:

OrangeHound wrote:

Turquoise wrote:


There is no reason we should be subsidizing anything oil related, considering the profit margin involved.
Isn't that more coal related than oil related?  I mean, we use some oil for electricity production, but the US uses mostly coal and then hydro/nuke, etc.
Good point...  I think it's both....  Either way, we shouldn't subsidize either.
I put in a graphic above.
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6828|North Carolina
Thanks for the info, but I still think we should stop subsidizing both (if we even subsidize oil).
Flaming_Maniac
prince of insufficient light
+2,490|7130|67.222.138.85

Turquoise wrote:

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

There is no reason we should be subsidizing anything oil related, considering the profit margin involved.
Just because it isn't corrupt and the perfect example of American corporate greed doesn't mean stopping it is the best course of action.
wha?  I think you wrote something wrong here....
nope

If supporting a corrupt system maintains the fragile economy and lowers dependence on foreign oil, we should continue to do it. We can worry about the obscenely rich profiteers when the situation is more stable.
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6828|North Carolina

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Flaming_Maniac wrote:


Just because it isn't corrupt and the perfect example of American corporate greed doesn't mean stopping it is the best course of action.
wha?  I think you wrote something wrong here....
nope

If supporting a corrupt system maintains the fragile economy and lowers independence on foreign oil, we should continue to do it. We can worry about the obscenely rich profiteers when the situation is more stable.
you mean "lowers dependence" right?...
Flaming_Maniac
prince of insufficient light
+2,490|7130|67.222.138.85

Turquoise wrote:

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

Turquoise wrote:


wha?  I think you wrote something wrong here....
nope

If supporting a corrupt system maintains the fragile economy and lowers independence on foreign oil, we should continue to do it. We can worry about the obscenely rich profiteers when the situation is more stable.
you mean "lowers dependence" right?...
yes
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6828|North Carolina
I can agree that it might contribute to less dependence on foreign oil, but...  wouldn't it make more sense to just lower regulations on building more refineries and drilling in areas like ANWR, rather than to actually subsidize these things via tax breaks?
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|7024|132 and Bush

A transition is inevitable. Hopefully sooner rather than later: http://www.businessandmedia.org/article … 45247.aspx


Flaming_Maniac wrote:

If supporting a corrupt system maintains the fragile economy and lowers dependence on foreign oil, we should continue to do it. We can worry about the obscenely rich profiteers when the situation is more stable.
That is why I endorse this comment.
The ends justify the means.. yada yada... greater good.. yada yada.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
Flaming_Maniac
prince of insufficient light
+2,490|7130|67.222.138.85

Turquoise wrote:

I can agree that it might contribute to less dependence on foreign oil, but...  wouldn't it make more sense to just lower regulations on building more refineries and drilling in areas like ANWR, rather than to actually subsidize these things via tax breaks?
Go talk to the liberals who want their cake and to eat it too. I'll take either one.
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6828|North Carolina
Hey, I'm a pragmatist.  I don't give a shit about party line (which is why I'd never get elected).
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6828|North Carolina

Kmarion wrote:

A transition is inevitable. Hopefully sooner rather than later: http://www.businessandmedia.org/article … 45247.aspx


Flaming_Maniac wrote:

If supporting a corrupt system maintains the fragile economy and lowers dependence on foreign oil, we should continue to do it. We can worry about the obscenely rich profiteers when the situation is more stable.
That is why I endorse this comment.
The ends justify the means.. yada yada... greater good.. yada yada.
If you're the one that posted the karma for Flaming saying "hate for corporate America diminishes foresight", then I can counter by saying that corporations and our own gluttony got us into this situation.

We screwed ourselves for their benefit.  Giving them tax breaks for it seems a bit much.
Flaming_Maniac
prince of insufficient light
+2,490|7130|67.222.138.85

Turquoise wrote:

Hey, I'm a pragmatist.  I don't give a shit about party line (which is why I'd never get elected).
I didn't say you were a liberal, but someone shot down the whole drilling in Alaska thing the first time around.
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|7024|132 and Bush

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Hey, I'm a pragmatist.  I don't give a shit about party line (which is why I'd never get elected).
I didn't say you were a liberal, but someone shot down the whole drilling in Alaska thing the first time around.
BC tbh
Xbone Stormsurgezz
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6828|North Carolina

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Hey, I'm a pragmatist.  I don't give a shit about party line (which is why I'd never get elected).
I didn't say you were a liberal, but someone shot down the whole drilling in Alaska thing the first time around.
True...

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