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Speach errors are common.  IF we had quotes of all your errors, you'd look bad too.

Realistically, i'll take a suttering, mumbling Genius over an articulate moron.

NOTE: I am not calling Obama a Genius, and I am not calling Bush Articulate, but you get what I mean.

There are some quotes that raise an eyebrow.  But every candidate has some of those.  It's best to look at the bigger picture, rather than  at just vote leeching quotes that all candidates are  guilty of saying.

JG1567JG wrote:

IRONCHEF wrote:

You seriously have NOTHING on this guy.  But keep trying.

I have this on Obama.

Dang, there's a WIKI for him.  Must be true.  He must not want guns since as an Illinois legislator, he voted along with his state those things.  Nevermind his other remarks in more recent times, when appealing to the country, that he acknowledges the 2nd amendment rights of Americans and how he won't infringe it.  Hell, even Hillary agreed with that.

Mit Romney in MA as governor vs. Mit Romney as US presidential candidate?  Difference in most of his views?  Yes.  Is it wrong or bad?  Not necessarily.  He governed according to his constituents.

McCain?  Nevermind, he's flip flopped on nearly everything he stands for so he's no good to compare with.

Howz about the Republicans/Neocons at the time of the Schiavo days...the party that errs on the side of LIFE!  THe party that ran the whole country for 6 years, who were carried largely by the christian coalition voters because abortion HAD TO END!!!  Guess what...Roe v Wade still lives and NOTHING was even done to reverse it.  Should I assume Republicans like abortion because they didn't do jack about it during their 12 year congressional reign and their 6 year "3-branch" reign?  No.  But I can assume that they are just pandering to the christian voters not really living what they preach.  So why then would I decide that Obama is going to take my guns away from me because of voting he did as an Illinois legislator or senator?  Especially when he's contradicted those votes with new positions on honoring the 2A.

DBBrinson1 wrote:

RoosterCantrell wrote:

Speach errors are common.  IF we had quotes of all your errors, you'd look bad too.

Realistically, i'll take a suttering, mumbling Genius over an articulate moron.

NOTE: I am not calling Obama a Genius, and I am not calling Bush Articulate, but you get what I mean.

There are some quotes that raise an eyebrow.  But every candidate has some of those.  It's best to look at the bigger picture, rather than  at just vote leeching quotes that all candidates are  guilty of saying.

Yes, I probably would, but I'm not running for President...

Obama isn't a genius or even proving himself at this rate to be as articulate as Bush.  But watch the media look away to the left...

Yeah true.  I think that alot of the attempted Obama bashing is a little pointless andunconstructive, with the majority of it being politically motivated jabs towards the rival party's candidate.

I do also think Obama is a bit revered by some like some great golden boy of salvation.  More to a degree than most past candidates haven't shared since I can remember of other elections.

It's best to look past the heralding, or petty insulting, and try to focus on the Issues that are factual and relevant to thier future as a possible President.

IF the various camps for candidates weren't so busy shit slinging, maybe we could actually learn something RELEVANT as to who they are, and what they want as President.  But that doesn't get the attention of the people.  Controversy and shit talking does.

So, until the country changes what grabs thier interest; every politician will cater to the eyes and ears of the people, and what grabs thier attention.

Last edited by RoosterCantrell (2008-05-28 13:48:18)

IRONCHEF wrote:

JG1567JG wrote:

IRONCHEF wrote:

You seriously have NOTHING on this guy.  But keep trying.

I have this on Obama.

Dang, there's a WIKI for him.  Must be true.  He must not want guns since as an Illinois legislator, he voted along with his state those things.  Nevermind his other remarks in more recent times, when appealing to the country, that he acknowledges the 2nd amendment rights of Americans and how he won't infringe it.  Hell, even Hillary agreed with that.

Mit Romney in MA as governor vs. Mit Romney as US presidential candidate?  Difference in most of his views?  Yes.  Is it wrong or bad?  Not necessarily.  He governed according to his constituents.

McCain?  Nevermind, he's flip flopped on nearly everything he stands for so he's no good to compare with.

Howz about the Republicans/Neocons at the time of the Schiavo days...the party that errs on the side of LIFE!  THe party that ran the whole country for 6 years, who were carried largely by the christian coalition voters because abortion HAD TO END!!!  Guess what...Roe v Wade still lives and NOTHING was even done to reverse it.  Should I assume Republicans like abortion because they didn't do jack about it during their 12 year congressional reign and their 6 year "3-branch" reign?  No.  But I can assume that they are just pandering to the christian voters not really living what they preach.  So why then would I decide that Obama is going to take my guns away from me because of voting he did as an Illinois legislator or senator?  Especially when he's contradicted those votes with new positions on honoring the 2A.

And again lets not look at his voting record since he was doing what the people wanted.  Bullshit.  Both B. Obama and H. Clinton will say that they agree with the second amendment and will not infringe on our rights but they also don't feel like anything they do would be infringing on our rights, that would be common sense gun control right.  They both know that if they come out and take a stance against the second amendment they will loose come November, but once they are in the White House they can do as they please.  Obama is for the individual right to bare arms about as much as he is a Muslim

Last edited by JG1567JG (2008-05-28 14:27:07)

RoosterCantrell wrote:

Yeah true.  I think that alot of the attempted Obama bashing is a little pointless andunconstructive, with the majority of it being politically motivated jabs towards the rival party's candidate.

I do also think Obama is a bit revered by some like some great golden boy of salvation.  More to a degree than most past candidates haven't shared since I can remember of other elections.

It's best to look past the heralding, or petty insulting, and try to focus on the Issues that are factual and relevant to thier future as a possible President.

IF the various camps for candidates weren't so busy shit slinging, maybe we could actually learn something RELEVANT as to who they are, and what they want as President.  But that doesn't get the attention of the people.  Controversy and shit talking does.

So, until the country changes what grabs thier interest; every politician will cater to the eyes and ears of the people, and what grabs thier attention.

Yea it is, but that's part of the game and B.O.'s not exempt.  Or why is he?

It would be, but there is little to Obama other than .... change ....  Fact is that most of his ideas are light years way too left for me and would cost the average US citizen way too much financially and constitutionally. If the rest of the US woke up and saw that, the US'd be a bit better off.

"So, until the country ...." Yea I'm there too.

His great uncle liberated Buchenwald.  Granted, he should've gotten that straight before making a speech about it.

DBBrinson1 wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

18 months on the campaign trail with every word spoken recorded. He is doing better than most. Let me know if anyone needs a refresher course on political gaffe's and slipups. McCain has had his senior moments. Hillary.. she's good as long as she can dodge the phantom sniper fire and inconsiderate assassination remarks.

And McCain has had to do more than address them.  Hillary about came under sniper fire for her shit.  How about B.O.?  Why the gold ticket?

How about this one?

His uncle liberated Auschwitz!!!

He isn't given a free pass. He catches crap daily.. as all politicians should.
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id … _article=1
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/ … 70102.aspx
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trai … ratio.html
http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/ … me=topNews
http://209.85.165.104/search?q=cache:iB … =firefox-a
http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2008/05/2 … auschwitz/
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080527/ts … GEpswHcggF
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar … s-con.html

Let me know if you need more sources.

DBBrinson1 wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

What do you mean?

Well, think about it.... Pre speech conversation...



Aide:  One more time.. Focus, we aren't in the 57th state yet, er em Sir..

BO:  Yea I got it Dick, By the way your fired after I pull this off.  No... OK back to the speech.  I'll then go to the bit about my Uncle the women will swoon and men wish they were me.   They'll eat it the fuck up...  But "Buchen"?  Thats Bu-ken?  Or "B-U-Chen".  Shit, I can't get it right, and the evil fox network and Rush types will eat up my pronunciation...  BU...BEEE UUU.. UU.  BBBeee..  Why can't it be some cool name like Aushwitz?

Aide: Sir.  Sir! Great idea you're a fucking genius!  Claim the mother of all concentration camps... Auschwitz.  You'll win the moment and when later called on it we can we turn it on fragmented Conservative Republicans.  I love you Obama.

BO:  I am pretty cool.

Aide:  Plus idiot Republicans think you are a Muslim.

BO:  They do?

Heh...  Well, that may be similar to how it works, but do you think McCain would be much different?

dan673 wrote:

JG1567JG wrote:

And again lets not look at his voting record since he was doing what the people wanted.  Bullshit.  Both B. Obama and H. Clinton will say that they agree with the second amendment and will not infringe on our rights but they also don't feel like anything they do would be infringing on our rights, that would be common sense gun control right.  They both know that if they come out and take a stance against the second amendment they will loose come November, but once they are in the White House they can do as they please.  Obama is for the individual right to bare arms about as much as he is a Muslim

QFT

Do you really think Obama or the Democrats would strip your right to gun ownership?  Think about it.  These people want to stay in office, not get kicked out.  Gun control is one thing, but they aren't going to take your guns away.  Jesus...  way to go for becoming a stereotype.  "Clinging" to guns, much?

I'm very much a gun rights guy myself, but I know enough to realize that ending the right to bear arms would be political suicide.

Turquoise wrote:

dan673 wrote:

JG1567JG wrote:

And again lets not look at his voting record since he was doing what the people wanted.  Bullshit.  Both B. Obama and H. Clinton will say that they agree with the second amendment and will not infringe on our rights but they also don't feel like anything they do would be infringing on our rights, that would be common sense gun control right.  They both know that if they come out and take a stance against the second amendment they will loose come November, but once they are in the White House they can do as they please.  Obama is for the individual right to bare arms about as much as he is a Muslim

QFT

Do you really think Obama or the Democrats would strip your right to gun ownership?  Think about it.  These people want to stay in office, not get kicked out.  Gun control is one thing, but they aren't going to take your guns away.  Jesus...  way to go for becoming a stereotype.  "Clinging" to guns, much?

I'm very much a gun rights guy myself, but I know enough to realize that ending the right to bear arms would be political suicide.

Taking it too literally. Candidates will say what the public wants to hear, and then when inauguration time comes, unexpected changes will happen.

Turquoise wrote:

dan673 wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Do you really think Obama or the Democrats would strip your right to gun ownership?  Think about it.  These people want to stay in office, not get kicked out.  Gun control is one thing, but they aren't going to take your guns away.  Jesus...  way to go for becoming a stereotype.  "Clinging" to guns, much?

I'm very much a gun rights guy myself, but I know enough to realize that ending the right to bear arms would be political suicide.

Taking it too literally. Candidates will say what the public wants to hear, and then when inauguration time comes, unexpected changes will happen.

I can assure you that, if the Democrats pass some drastic gun control measure, they will most likely lose many seats in Congress.  Anything's possible, but there are just some things you don't touch.

Very true.

DBBrinson1 wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

dan673 wrote:

Taking it too literally. Candidates will say what the public wants to hear, and then when inauguration time comes, unexpected changes will happen.

I can assure you that, if the Democrats pass some drastic gun control measure, they will most likely lose many seats in Congress.  Anything's possible, but there are just some things you don't touch.

It would happen faster than they would lose their seats.

I think you give them too much credit. This is the congress that got elected on promises to end the Iraq war. What have they accomplished besides an abysmal approval rating?

Kmarion wrote:

DBBrinson1 wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

I can assure you that, if the Democrats pass some drastic gun control measure, they will most likely lose many seats in Congress.  Anything's possible, but there are just some things you don't touch.

It would happen faster than they would lose their seats.

I think you give them too much credit. This is the congress that got elected on promises to end the Iraq war. What have they accomplished besides an abysmal approval rating?

Wait for it....wait for it.....

http://briefingroom.thehill.com/2008/05 … t-testify/

This!

/sarcasm

They have done absolutely nothing. BUT, trying to arrest Karl Rove makes them seem like they've done their job quite well. What a joke.

Last edited by dan673 (2008-05-28 17:34:05)