Well, what sparked my interest in investigating this land grab was a discussion on NPR that was suggesting that the land grab is the general flaw in the way these companies do business. They lease a bunch of land, only explore a small section, and then move on. While I'm sure we'll need to explore ANWR eventually, I don't see a need to rush into wildlife reserves.
Delay the inevitable and rape some of the only pristine land we have left. Two birds with one stone.
Don't worry about it. My generation will have fun cleaning up the mess that past generations have left looking for and excessively using fossil fuels.
The results obtained at the observatory on Mauna Loa over the last half century were just a big joke. A 70 PPM increase (~20%) of CO2 in the last 50 years isn't anything to worry about when there's more trees standing and more oil still in the ground!
Cool how high gas prices are the only real way to get people angry, too bad this is America and instead of looking for a solution, we'd rather contribute to the problem.
But maybe it won't impact anything. Maybe we can burn every last drop of oil and nothing will happen. But is it really worth the risk? Why pump all of our money into looking for oil instead of seriously researching and utilizing alternatives? Sure the people who can make these decisions now probably won't be alive to see what really happens -- but your kids sure as hell will.
Don't worry about it. My generation will have fun cleaning up the mess that past generations have left looking for and excessively using fossil fuels.
The results obtained at the observatory on Mauna Loa over the last half century were just a big joke. A 70 PPM increase (~20%) of CO2 in the last 50 years isn't anything to worry about when there's more trees standing and more oil still in the ground!
Cool how high gas prices are the only real way to get people angry, too bad this is America and instead of looking for a solution, we'd rather contribute to the problem.
But maybe it won't impact anything. Maybe we can burn every last drop of oil and nothing will happen. But is it really worth the risk? Why pump all of our money into looking for oil instead of seriously researching and utilizing alternatives? Sure the people who can make these decisions now probably won't be alive to see what really happens -- but your kids sure as hell will.
Those current wildlife reserves have flourished while extracting energy (grown in fact).Turquoise wrote:
Well, what sparked my interest in investigating this land grab was a discussion on NPR that was suggesting that the land grab is the general flaw in the way these companies do business. They lease a bunch of land, only explore a small section, and then move on. While I'm sure we'll need to explore ANWR eventually, I don't see a need to rush into wildlife reserves.
Put the land grab thing looks to be extremely jacked up. I agree they need to explore and move on when there are no results. $2-3 an acre annually? ..wtf..lol
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Well, if nothing else, we can at least agree that they don't need tax breaks for exploration. They make a huge amount of money as it is, and leases are very "affordable" to put it mildly....
All the more reason for tax reform and to boot lobyists out of DC, but that is a fight for another thread.Turquoise wrote:
Well, if nothing else, we can at least agree that they don't need tax breaks for exploration. They make a huge amount of money as it is, and leases are very "affordable" to put it mildly....
If we can't find an immediate solution while we make the transition your generation will be unemployed and starving. Thirty percent of the fuel used in the United States is spent just getting food from one side of the country to the other.CommieChipmunk wrote:
Delay the inevitable and rape some of the only pristine land we have left. Two birds with one stone.
Don't worry about it. My generation will have fun cleaning up the mess that past generations have left looking for and excessively using fossil fuels.
http://celebrating200years.noaa.gov/dat … e3_650.jpg
The results obtained at the observatory on Mauna Loa over the last half century were just a big joke. A 70 PPM increase (~20%) of CO2 in the last 50 years isn't anything to worry about when there's more trees standing and more oil still in the ground!
Cool how high gas prices are the only real way to get people angry, too bad this is America and instead of looking for a solution, we'd rather contribute to the problem.
But maybe it won't impact anything. Maybe we can burn every last drop of oil and nothing will happen. But is it really worth the risk? Why pump all of our money into looking for oil instead of seriously researching and utilizing alternatives? Sure the people who can make these decisions now probably won't be alive to see what really happens -- but your kids sure as hell will.
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QFTimortal wrote:
All the more reason for tax reform and to boot lobyists out of DC, but that is a fight for another thread.Turquoise wrote:
Well, if nothing else, we can at least agree that they don't need tax breaks for exploration. They make a huge amount of money as it is, and leases are very "affordable" to put it mildly....
Yes we can. I do understand some tax breaks. But not for oil. They were given these breaks for years with little investment into alternative energy (the reason behind the incentives). Congress never asked them why. American auto is also to blame. They spent millions of dollars getting cars to park themselves but they failed to plan for the longterm. They are paying the price with all of us now. Even the Chevy volt is years away.Turquoise wrote:
Well, if nothing else, we can at least agree that they don't need tax breaks for exploration. They make a huge amount of money as it is, and leases are very "affordable" to put it mildly....
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Well, the EV1 and EV2 were shelved specifically because of the connections between oil companies and automakers. These 2 industries overlap quite a lot, so making the transition to electric cars is mostly difficult because of politics -- not technology.Kmarion wrote:
Yes we can. I do understand some tax breaks. But not for oil. They were given these breaks for years with little investment into alternative energy (the reason behind the incentives). Congress never asked them why. American auto is also to blame. They spent millions of dollars getting cars to park themselves but they failed to plan for the longterm. They are paying the price with all of us now. Even the Chevy volt is years away.Turquoise wrote:
Well, if nothing else, we can at least agree that they don't need tax breaks for exploration. They make a huge amount of money as it is, and leases are very "affordable" to put it mildly....
Although, I'd be more than happy to exempt all electric car sales from taxation. That would certainly make them more affordable to both buy and build.
Some states offer great tax incentives for these purchases. Not only on the sale of the vehicle but also as a credit at the end of the year. Florida does at least. I'm pretty sure California does as well.Turquoise wrote:
Well, the EV1 and EV2 were shelved specifically because of the connections between oil companies and automakers. These 2 industries overlap quite a lot, so making the transition to electric cars is mostly difficult because of politics -- not technology.Kmarion wrote:
Yes we can. I do understand some tax breaks. But not for oil. They were given these breaks for years with little investment into alternative energy (the reason behind the incentives). Congress never asked them why. American auto is also to blame. They spent millions of dollars getting cars to park themselves but they failed to plan for the longterm. They are paying the price with all of us now. Even the Chevy volt is years away.Turquoise wrote:
Well, if nothing else, we can at least agree that they don't need tax breaks for exploration. They make a huge amount of money as it is, and leases are very "affordable" to put it mildly....
Although, I'd be more than happy to exempt all electric car sales from taxation. That would certainly make them more affordable to both buy and build.
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There's a difference between making as much profit off of oil as oil companies can before alternatives are actually researched and utilized and making the transition.Kmarion wrote:
If we can't find an immediate solution while we make the transition your generation will be unemployed and starving. Thirty percent of the fuel used in the United States is spent just getting food from one side of the country to the other.CommieChipmunk wrote:
Delay the inevitable and rape some of the only pristine land we have left. Two birds with one stone.
Don't worry about it. My generation will have fun cleaning up the mess that past generations have left looking for and excessively using fossil fuels.
http://celebrating200years.noaa.gov/dat … e3_650.jpg
The results obtained at the observatory on Mauna Loa over the last half century were just a big joke. A 70 PPM increase (~20%) of CO2 in the last 50 years isn't anything to worry about when there's more trees standing and more oil still in the ground!
Cool how high gas prices are the only real way to get people angry, too bad this is America and instead of looking for a solution, we'd rather contribute to the problem.
But maybe it won't impact anything. Maybe we can burn every last drop of oil and nothing will happen. But is it really worth the risk? Why pump all of our money into looking for oil instead of seriously researching and utilizing alternatives? Sure the people who can make these decisions now probably won't be alive to see what really happens -- but your kids sure as hell will.
This is correct. I think you are making false presumptions about my position. Obviously the energy industry wants to remain profitable.. their shareholders demand it. Energy reform needs to be tackled from multiple angles. A society completely based around oil can not simply turn the faucet off. When chaos ensues and the economy really tanks there will be very little in the way of investment research.CommieChipmunk wrote:
There's a difference between making as much profit off of oil as oil companies can before alternatives are actually researched and utilized and making the transition.Kmarion wrote:
If we can't find an immediate solution while we make the transition your generation will be unemployed and starving. Thirty percent of the fuel used in the United States is spent just getting food from one side of the country to the other.CommieChipmunk wrote:
Delay the inevitable and rape some of the only pristine land we have left. Two birds with one stone.
Don't worry about it. My generation will have fun cleaning up the mess that past generations have left looking for and excessively using fossil fuels.
http://celebrating200years.noaa.gov/dat … e3_650.jpg
The results obtained at the observatory on Mauna Loa over the last half century were just a big joke. A 70 PPM increase (~20%) of CO2 in the last 50 years isn't anything to worry about when there's more trees standing and more oil still in the ground!
Cool how high gas prices are the only real way to get people angry, too bad this is America and instead of looking for a solution, we'd rather contribute to the problem.
But maybe it won't impact anything. Maybe we can burn every last drop of oil and nothing will happen. But is it really worth the risk? Why pump all of our money into looking for oil instead of seriously researching and utilizing alternatives? Sure the people who can make these decisions now probably won't be alive to see what really happens -- but your kids sure as hell will.
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I understand your position, and I understand that we've gotten ourselves into quite the pickle. We obviously can't jump from oil to any other energy source, because there's nothing like oil. It's just frustrating to see how we always wait until the very last second to make necessary changes that would have saved everyone the headache had we acted earlier.
It's been like that for over two hundred years. It is why government has ran away from people. We only pay attention when it hurts . We get comfy.. we stop caring. Frustrating to say the least.CommieChipmunk wrote:
I understand your position, and I understand that we've gotten ourselves into quite the pickle. We obviously can't jump from oil to any other energy source, because there's nothing like oil. It's just frustrating to see how we always wait until the very last second to make necessary changes that would have saved everyone the headache had we acted earlier.
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Electric, electric electric.
The fuel companies won't suffer, they can just turn their petrol stations into recharge points, charge a bit more than what you pay at home, and sell you overpriced food & coffee.
OPEC won't be too happy, however.
The fuel companies won't suffer, they can just turn their petrol stations into recharge points, charge a bit more than what you pay at home, and sell you overpriced food & coffee.
OPEC won't be too happy, however.