Pug
UR father's brother's nephew's former roommate
+652|7019|Texas - Bigger than France
For the record, I don't like Obama.  But I'm indifferent to McCain & Hillary at this point.

Most of you know about Rev. Wright.  Obama sets him aside for his political goals.

Then there's Rev. Pfleger, same church.  Obama manages to sound like he's doing the people a favor, by distancing himself, setting the church (which he has said was a big part of his life) aside for his political goals.

Fine, I don't have a major problem with that.  After all, the preachers aren't running for office.

But then there's this one, which I haven't seen talked about here:
http://www.worldtribune.com/worldtribun … _03_24.asp

About five paragraphs down, Obama says:
“I can no more disown him than I can disown the black community. I can no more disown him than I can my white grandmother – a woman who helped raise me, a woman who sacrificed again and again for me, a woman who loves me as much as she loves anything in this world, but a woman who once confessed her fear of black men who passed by her on the street, and who on more than one occasion has uttered racial or ethnic stereotypes that made me cringe.”

Nice, throw your grandma under the bus.  Not once, but let's do it all over the media.

Pretty much that sums him up for me.  I have a real problem when you end up using your own family in this way.


But is there a pattern?  Throw every problem under the bus and move on.

So then there's this in the same link above from Obama's wife:
It is also disturbing to me that Obama’s wife, Michelle, during a speech in Wisconsin last month, said, “For the first time in my adult lifetime, I’m really proud of my country, because it feels like hope is finally making a comeback.”

His answer? 
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/e … wife_N.htm

Lay off my wife.  Good point.  She's not running, yet the microphone is in front of her.  Is the bus coming?
AussieReaper
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Obama using his family isn't as different as Hilary using her ties with Bill Clinton.

I can't comment on McCain as yet, as I've been more interested into the Democrats candidate. I don't think we'll see the real McCain til the nominee's are sorted and he has a clearer opponent.
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Pug
UR father's brother's nephew's former roommate
+652|7019|Texas - Bigger than France

TheAussieReaper wrote:

Obama using his family isn't as different as Hilary using her ties with Bill Clinton.

I can't comment on McCain as yet, as I've been more interested into the Democrats candidate. I don't think we'll see the real McCain til the nominee's are sorted and he has a clearer opponent.
Sure, but using his ailing grandmother for political gain makes me lose a lot of respect for the guy.

I just want them to get on with the real election, I'm tired of the soap opera.

Last edited by Pug (2008-06-02 21:48:53)

Reciprocity
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+721|7058|the dank(super) side of Oregon
Three month old news.

How exciting.

Last edited by Reciprocity (2008-06-02 21:58:15)

Pug
UR father's brother's nephew's former roommate
+652|7019|Texas - Bigger than France

Reciprocity wrote:

Three month old news.

How exciting.
Yes, its at least a three month old trend of throwing people under the bus if it messes with the political machine.  And it includes family.

I don't think that's exciting.  I think that's disturbing.
Reciprocity
Member
+721|7058|the dank(super) side of Oregon
Acknowledging the reality of his grandmother's racism?  An institutional racism that existed and exists with older generations in this country.  He wasn't using anyone, he was relaying his personal experiences with his own family in the context of the Rev. Wright controversy.
twiistaaa
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Reciprocity wrote:

Acknowledging the reality of his grandmother's racism?  An institutional racism that existed and exists with older generations in this country.  He wasn't using anyone, he was relaying his personal experiences with his own family in the context of the Rev. Wright controversy.
yes but if you don't like obama then you probably aren't going to see it that way?
Pug
UR father's brother's nephew's former roommate
+652|7019|Texas - Bigger than France

Reciprocity wrote:

Acknowledging the reality of his grandmother's racism?  An institutional racism that existed and exists with older generations in this country.  He wasn't using anyone, he was relaying his personal experiences with his own family in the context of the Rev. Wright controversy.
I know that your right on that account, but would you put yourself in front of the world and call your grandma a racist?

I could care less about what people around Obama say.  What matters to me, is how he addresses these issues...by disavowing.

Last edited by Pug (2008-06-02 22:36:30)

Reciprocity
Member
+721|7058|the dank(super) side of Oregon

Pug wrote:

I know that your right on that account, but would you put yourself in front of the world and call your grandma a racist?
If it's reality, and it's pertinent to the conversation at hand, why not? 

Pug wrote:

I could care less about what people around Obama say.  What matters to me, is how he addresses these issues...by disavowing.
how do you mean disavow?
Pug
UR father's brother's nephew's former roommate
+652|7019|Texas - Bigger than France

Reciprocity wrote:

Pug wrote:

I know that your right on that account, but would you put yourself in front of the world and call your grandma a racist?
If it's reality, and it's pertinent to the conversation at hand, why not? 

Pug wrote:

I could care less about what people around Obama say.  What matters to me, is how he addresses these issues...by disavowing.
how do you mean disavow?
Well, because it's probably going to make your grandma sound like a racist.  I guess we disagree on that point.  It's basically putting your family under fire.  This is pretty much why I don't like the guy.

Disavow, as in whenever there's a problem cropping up with past associations he just throws them away.  Wright, the Church, indirectly his grandma, and maybe soon his wife.

I'd rather be talking about election issues, but this is a personality contest in reality.

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