People who are willing to take the risk in health should also be willing to take a risk with the law. I mean, what's another small risk, right?
-konfusion
-konfusion
That doesn't make sense. Smoking weed and accepting a risk in health is a personal decision. Doesn't mean you should go around breaking every law because you don't care what you do your physical and mental state.konfusion wrote:
People who are willing to take the risk in health should also be willing to take a risk with the law. I mean, what's another small risk, right?
-konfusion
Last edited by m3thod (2008-06-03 10:28:49)
Blackbelts are just whitebelts who have never quit.
one effect of pot is addiction ...i got to see that first hand of someone i know that could never quit ...he would always say tomorrow and finally he ended up in jail for 6 months for it. i still dont see him quitting when he comes out
Any sensible person knows that continuously using this drug recreationally is far from harmless. The people who vehemently try to defend their recreational use will spare no expense at forcing their absurd opinions and statements on you. If they don't claim it to be harmless, they'll say that alcohol is worse. You can't argue sense with people who believe that one legalised evil justifies all legalised evils.
Hopefully this will serve to sway legislation in the right direction, but a sober debate about the core issue is nearly impossible to have. Especially on the Internet.
Hopefully this will serve to sway legislation in the right direction, but a sober debate about the core issue is nearly impossible to have. Especially on the Internet.
According to studies, EVERYTHING is bad for you.The News Everyday wrote:
Studies show.....
Studies show that thing A is bad for you, while OTHER studies show that thing A is good for you.
Drinking water in excess is bad for you.. studies show.
alcohol in certain amount are good for you... studies show.
chocolate is good for you... studies show.
certain vegetable are bad for you... studies show.
Being overwieght may actually be good for you... studies show.
---I have read all of the above in the news before---
"Studies show" pops up so damn much, I completely disregard any of that shit "studies show" is merely a way to press the study's ideas out into the world as some kind of great discovery and make it sound authentic, while it is merely a study that is in NO WAY proven.
Being said I don't smoke pot. But I don't consider any of this imformation as useful or valid.
ON the other hand, if there is a study on something I do, use, or have, that can be dangerous, i'll remain skeptical but follow up on it.
Yeah, maybe so. Cigarettes and Alcohol are far the worse in my opinion, which is why I'm still in favor or legalizing. I'd smoke weed over a cigarette any day, period.
Well I'm not sure what the side effects of pot include, but I got a buddy who one day, for no apparent reason just plain lost it. He went on to think that his parents wanted to hurt him, as well as the police (may have a point there ) and priests (!). He is otherwise one of the smartest people I know, and gladly, after some dark years of "therapy", he's doing a lot better now. At least on a social level.
Some said that it was something he had in him since birth. Some blamed his parents (which is out of the question imo), and some said it was the pot (he was a heavy user for sure). On the other hand, his smoking buddies are all fine. And there's lots of 'em... I don't know what to think. But I certainly cannot dismiss anything so lightly any more.
Maybe if people have a predisposition for such a thing, pot might strengthen that. I don't know.
Some said that it was something he had in him since birth. Some blamed his parents (which is out of the question imo), and some said it was the pot (he was a heavy user for sure). On the other hand, his smoking buddies are all fine. And there's lots of 'em... I don't know what to think. But I certainly cannot dismiss anything so lightly any more.
Maybe if people have a predisposition for such a thing, pot might strengthen that. I don't know.
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To be honest, long-term anything will have an effect somehow. But this is handy to know, as a few of my friends also ask me "why don't you take pot (like them)"
Pot isn't harmless....
But the most dangerous thing about using pot is the possibility of being prosecuted and getting a criminal conviction.
http://espace.lis.curtin.edu.au/archive … alc_rev_19(1)_lenton_cannabis_policy.pdf
Interesting read about use of pot in Australia and how it affects people legally.
But the most dangerous thing about using pot is the possibility of being prosecuted and getting a criminal conviction.
http://espace.lis.curtin.edu.au/archive … alc_rev_19(1)_lenton_cannabis_policy.pdf
Interesting read about use of pot in Australia and how it affects people legally.
right? wrong. If that were the case, then cigarettes and alcohol would be illegal, as both have shown extraordinary levels of danger for the user and non-users.konfusion wrote:
People who are willing to take the risk in health should also be willing to take a risk with the law. I mean, what's another small risk, right?
-konfusion
And also far more addicting. Im afraid to even try a cig, i'd hate to end up like most of my family. I have doped occasionally and i feel no need for it at any time, but i'm always wanting to get shitfaced from whiskey. (all underage BTW, pigs GTFO)liquix wrote:
right? wrong. If that were the case, then cigarettes and alcohol would be illegal, as both have shown extraordinary levels of danger for the user and non-users.konfusion wrote:
People who are willing to take the risk in health should also be willing to take a risk with the law. I mean, what's another small risk, right?
-konfusion
What's the difference between the drug argument and the abortion argument?
You know, "It's my body and my right to live the way I wish" type thing, which is just fine if it has no impact on others.
The Nanny state, we have to legislate to protect you from yourself.....
You know, "It's my body and my right to live the way I wish" type thing, which is just fine if it has no impact on others.
The Nanny state, we have to legislate to protect you from yourself.....
but it does have impacts on others.Ratzinger wrote:
What's the difference between the drug argument and the abortion argument?
You know, "It's my body and my right to live the way I wish" type thing, which is just fine if it has no impact on others.
The Nanny state, we have to legislate to protect you from yourself.....
be it second hand smoke, intoxicated driving, or violent behavior, drugs, alcohol, and cigarettes aren't just your problem, they're everyone's
My microeconomics professor was talking about an ongoing study that is being done on the effects of alcohol. The test had started in the 50s or 60s and followed these nurses daily lives. One group never touched alcohol, the other did. It turned out that a daily allowance (two drinks) of alcohol is actually healthy for your body.
Someone would have probably done this for weed if it wasn't illegal.
Someone would have probably done this for weed if it wasn't illegal.
"Which is just fine if it has no impact on others."
You must have missed that bit...
Besides, passive smoking is just so much bullshit. Stand on the side of a busy road for an hour, I'll show you "passive".
Sure, alcohol sucks and makes people violent and crap drivers (especially rum, wtf do they put in that shit?), but there ain't no violent dope fiends.
You must have missed that bit...
Besides, passive smoking is just so much bullshit. Stand on the side of a busy road for an hour, I'll show you "passive".
Sure, alcohol sucks and makes people violent and crap drivers (especially rum, wtf do they put in that shit?), but there ain't no violent dope fiends.
Very true, but as prohibition showed us, keeping a product with high demand and easy access illegal only generates even greater criminal costs than any health ones from its use.S.Lythberg wrote:
but it does have impacts on others.Ratzinger wrote:
What's the difference between the drug argument and the abortion argument?
You know, "It's my body and my right to live the way I wish" type thing, which is just fine if it has no impact on others.
The Nanny state, we have to legislate to protect you from yourself.....
be it second hand smoke, intoxicated driving, or violent behavior, drugs, alcohol, and cigarettes aren't just your problem, they're everyone's
I would argue the same is true of marijuana and it would be of tobacco as well.
well, how about legalization, with extremely heavy taxation and harsh penalties for driving while impaired?Turquoise wrote:
Very true, but as prohibition showed us, keeping a product with high demand and easy access illegal only generates even greater criminal costs than any health ones from its use.S.Lythberg wrote:
but it does have impacts on others.Ratzinger wrote:
What's the difference between the drug argument and the abortion argument?
You know, "It's my body and my right to live the way I wish" type thing, which is just fine if it has no impact on others.
The Nanny state, we have to legislate to protect you from yourself.....
be it second hand smoke, intoxicated driving, or violent behavior, drugs, alcohol, and cigarettes aren't just your problem, they're everyone's
I would argue the same is true of marijuana and it would be of tobacco as well.
That's what I support.S.Lythberg wrote:
well, how about legalization, with extremely heavy taxation and harsh penalties for driving while impaired?Turquoise wrote:
Very true, but as prohibition showed us, keeping a product with high demand and easy access illegal only generates even greater criminal costs than any health ones from its use.S.Lythberg wrote:
but it does have impacts on others.
be it second hand smoke, intoxicated driving, or violent behavior, drugs, alcohol, and cigarettes aren't just your problem, they're everyone's
I would argue the same is true of marijuana and it would be of tobacco as well.
Breaking the law is a personal decision. It's the consequences that aren't ^^m3thod wrote:
That doesn't make sense. Smoking weed and accepting a risk in health is a personal decision. Doesn't mean you should go around breaking every law because you don't care what you do your physical and mental state.konfusion wrote:
People who are willing to take the risk in health should also be willing to take a risk with the law. I mean, what's another small risk, right?
-konfusion
-konfusion
You're assuming all these risks are the same magnitude -- which they aren't.konfusion wrote:
Breaking the law is a personal decision. It's the consequences that aren't ^^m3thod wrote:
That doesn't make sense. Smoking weed and accepting a risk in health is a personal decision. Doesn't mean you should go around breaking every law because you don't care what you do your physical and mental state.konfusion wrote:
People who are willing to take the risk in health should also be willing to take a risk with the law. I mean, what's another small risk, right?
-konfusion
-konfusion
Turq: All I'm saying is that if you're so willing to take health risks, what's a jail sentence?
edit: I think health risks are worse than the tiny risk of getting called smoking weed, don't you?
-konfusion
edit: I think health risks are worse than the tiny risk of getting called smoking weed, don't you?
-konfusion
Last edited by konfusion (2008-06-03 17:14:42)
that's the only way I would consider legalization.Turquoise wrote:
That's what I support.S.Lythberg wrote:
well, how about legalization, with extremely heavy taxation and harsh penalties for driving while impaired?Turquoise wrote:
Very true, but as prohibition showed us, keeping a product with high demand and easy access illegal only generates even greater criminal costs than any health ones from its use.
I would argue the same is true of marijuana and it would be of tobacco as well.
In the case of weed, yes. In the case of harder drugs, no. You can do the same amount of coke over an extended period of time that won't hurt you that much that would land you a pretty sizable mandatory sentence if you were caught with it.konfusion wrote:
Turq: All I'm saying is that if you're so willing to take health risks, what's a jail sentence?
edit: I think health risks are worse than the tiny risk of getting called smoking weed, don't you?
-konfusion
So, it all depends on the drug and the amount, and what laws apply to it.
I think you'll find most sober supporters of legalizing weed support stringent laws against intoxicated driving and high taxes on weed. The idea is to sell it in liquor stores.S.Lythberg wrote:
that's the only way I would consider legalization.Turquoise wrote:
That's what I support.S.Lythberg wrote:
well, how about legalization, with extremely heavy taxation and harsh penalties for driving while impaired?
I smoke pot, but would prefer to vaporize.
I can't say I have noticed any mental peculiarities while sober from my almost daily use of weed. I do notice that when I am stoned I lose concentration easily. I may even forget exactly what I was thinking of 2 seconds before... but only when I'm stoned. Soon as I am sober again I remember things fine. When I'm sober I remember things from when I was stoned as well.
I take all "studies" about how evil weed is with a big grain of salt. Yes, smoking anything will do damage to your body but I think after 3000 years of people tokin' up we would have seen a lot more incidents of mental illness, or at least more direct evidence of said damages. The Tommy Chong stoner stereotype is a fallacy, I've never met anyone that was like that... ever.
I also use pot, and have posted before on this subject, for managing my migraines. I have brutal migraines at times and weed has kept me relatively migraine free for the past few years. Prior to my tokin' days I would go through Tylenol 3's like they were Flintstone vitamins but since I started going green the migraines I get are very rare and very mild when compared to before.
Study or not... I ain't stopping.
I can't say I have noticed any mental peculiarities while sober from my almost daily use of weed. I do notice that when I am stoned I lose concentration easily. I may even forget exactly what I was thinking of 2 seconds before... but only when I'm stoned. Soon as I am sober again I remember things fine. When I'm sober I remember things from when I was stoned as well.
I take all "studies" about how evil weed is with a big grain of salt. Yes, smoking anything will do damage to your body but I think after 3000 years of people tokin' up we would have seen a lot more incidents of mental illness, or at least more direct evidence of said damages. The Tommy Chong stoner stereotype is a fallacy, I've never met anyone that was like that... ever.
I also use pot, and have posted before on this subject, for managing my migraines. I have brutal migraines at times and weed has kept me relatively migraine free for the past few years. Prior to my tokin' days I would go through Tylenol 3's like they were Flintstone vitamins but since I started going green the migraines I get are very rare and very mild when compared to before.
Study or not... I ain't stopping.