Smithereener
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+138|6793|California
This might come off as a rambling post, but please bear with me.

So some background info: One of my good friends is adopted, for as long as I remember; In fact, I've never met his biological parents (He doesn't like talking about them, understandably). They're [adoptive parents] quite nice and are pretty much his "real" parents, regardless of bloodline. There is another person that we hang around with sometimes, he's not quite a friend, more of an acquaintance if anything.

We were just talking during lunch break a few days ago, just fucking around. I dunno why, but my friends and I crack on each other from time to time as jokes and such. So it's my friend's (with the adoptive parents) turn, and he must've struck a nerve on the other guy for some unknown reason. Enough for the acquaintance to retort with "Well fuck you, at least I'm not adopted." We all kinda froze because that was fucked up beyond all belief. My friend is over it now, he's quite resilient and kind of thick skinned, sometimes too much for his own good.

...

So while I thought about that incident, a lot of things popped into my head. A lot of the opinions here stay somewhat ingrained in my mind, they've been significant influences in what I take interest in and such. Well, one opinion that I remember regards abortion: If you don't want the baby, put it up for adoption so it goes to a family of loving parents instead of staying in a household unwanted (I'm pro-choice btw, still think that adoption is a much, much better choice. Would prefer them not to abort).

However, it seems like being adopted is a sort of social stigma - I know that in Korea, bloodline is extremely important. I couldn't help but feel bad for my friend, even when he had some of the nicest parents in the world just because he is adopted. I know that in an ideal world, it wouldn't matter about who your parents are, just as long as you felt like an actual family, but in real life, it seems like you're automatically judged for not being the true child of your parents (I'm guilty of this, especially when I first met my friend). I can't imagine what my friend must have felt like, to be reminded that the parents that he loved weren't biologically his.

So to make this more discussable, should an adopted child be ashamed to be adopted? In fact, how difficult must it be for the children that these famous celebrities adopt from around the world - to be so different from the rest of his/her siblings? I remember that I dreaded being called adopted by my family, even as a joke. Is this normal?

Don't get me wrong, it's kinda heartwarming to see people happy, even when in completely different cultures and backgrounds (i.e. a foreign child adopted by a family back here in the States, etc etc), but still, the shit that they have to face sometimes is just terrible.

/endramble

Just had to get this off of my chest.

Last edited by Smithereener (2008-06-02 19:10:06)

TSI
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+247|6458|Toronto
Ya man, it's a sad tale. I know lots of people who're adopted; it's nothing to be ashamed of, tbh. If you think about it, what's in a bloodline? some atoms aligned in a particular order? Yup. That's it. Adoption is not a shameful thing; it's a sign that the parents (adoptive) are a testament to love, happiness and good judgement (in most cases). I agree with you on the child point; if you can't have a kid; let it live, let it benefit people who can't have that same situation as you. Honestly, adoptive parents are parents, full and proper, IMO. It's good to see us humans can be kind, loving and caring amidst all this death and negativity.
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BVC
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+325|7172
I'm adopted and am actually thankful for that - adoption processes ensured that I'd have more opportunity than the average kid - its effectively a second chance at a good growing environment.  I've always known, have been completely open about it, and not once have I been given shit for it...and we all know how cruel kids can be.

I haven't been in touch with my birthfather, but I've been in touch with my birthmother - a Dutch migrant - for the last ten years, we get on like a house on fire.  Its been an interesting experience looking at myself and seeing where social and genetic influences lie.  Functionally, its like having another aunty.

My familial identity is simple - I view my Mum & Dad as my Mum & Dad.  They raised me, they're my parents, nothing will change that.  With my birthmother its simply a familial relationship which most people, by virtue of not being adopted, simply don't have.  Ancestral identity is a little bit different.  Theres the English/Scottish (with token Maori) heritage that most NZers have, from my Mum & Dad, but also the whole half-Dutch-blood thing...I sort of see myself as a mix of them, though I don't really feel any affinity to the Maori part...just not exposed to it I guess.  I've met a few of my Dutch cousins too, they're good sorts.

So yeah...second chance at a good upbringing, more family.  Sucks not to be adopted, really.

I'm also aware that most cases don't have it so good, and there can be a whole lot of BS.  TBH, your mate should have cracked the cunt for saying that, its on same level as racism.

Last edited by Pubic (2008-06-03 03:12:31)

FEOS
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+1,182|6888|'Murka

Since my wife and I adopted our little girl, we've wondered how we would deal with the "kids can be mean little shits" situation when she gets older. Since there is no way of knowing who her birth parents are, we plan to be completely open (not really an option, since she's Chinese and we're whiter than bleached flour) about her adopted status.

While being adopted can be a stigma in childrens' minds, I think that an interesting way to look at it is that the adopted kid was chosen by their parents because of the person they are, not because of biological happenstance. That's a damn sight more than the "typical" kid can say. So no matter what, the adopted kid knows that they are and have always been wanted by their family--not every kid can say that.
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GorillaKing798
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+48|6592|Tampa, Florida
I was adopted as well, as TSI and Pubic said it is really an extremely responsible thing for the parents to do, acting out of love for their child in most cases. Any real life parents, imagine giving away your child, think about how hard that must be.
liquix
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+51|6931|Peoples Republic of Portland
The importance of bloodline appears to be much less crucial in America as opposed to say, Japan. I'd like to believe that in our culture, the quality of man proves his worth, not the quality of his blood.  How this translates to the mental well being of a child, I can only speculate.  Children will find reasons to jab fun and demean anybody, even the golden boys.

Of my many friends who are both adopted or raised by non-blood parents, I've gathered they view parenthood as I view my home. Home is where the heart is, and parents are where the love is. As cheese-ball as that comes off, there is some truth to it. Someone you love and raises you holds much more clout than someone who happens to share the same blood.
Dilbert_X
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+1,827|6583|eXtreme to the maX
Bottom line is probably:-
Parents have a very strong bond with their children which is totally innate and normally unshakeable.
For a parent to give their child away would usually be very abnormal, one situation historically could be where the child is 'defective' in some way - although clearly there are many other reasons.
I think thats why society views adopted children with a bit of suspicion.
Also children naturally have a terrible fear of abandonment, if it happens they have constant nagging feelings of inadequacy, that it could be their fault in some way which makes it harder for them to develop so maybe they come out a bit odd.

Not that I think there could be anything wrong with adoptees or that they should carry any stigma, just how I think society works.
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BVC
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One retort kids can use against adoption taunts is "I was chosen, you were just had" or "I was chosen, you were an accident" if the tormentors are being particularly nasty.
Surgeons
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+3,097|6966|Gogledd Cymru

Pubic wrote:

One retort kids can use against adoption taunts is "I was chosen, you were just had" or "I was chosen, you were an accident" if the tormentors are being particularly nasty.
I'm not generalising here, but if a baby is an accident a major reason to put it up for adoption?
BVC
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I would say almost all are, but then I'd also wager that a large portion of non-adopted kids are too.  In any case, it doesn't remove the choice element...not that kids would go to this level of argument analysis anyway

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