Dilbert_X
The X stands for
+1,822|6529|eXtreme to the maX
'Israeli warning over nuclear Iran
Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert has said drastic measures are needed to stop Iran obtaining nuclear weapons.

Speaking to the main pro-Israel lobby in the US, he said Iran must be shown there will be devastating consequences if it did develop such weapons.
The US and others have accused Iran of building a nuclear arms capability. Tehran says its programme is peaceful.
Mr Olmert's US visit comes as he faces pressure at home over corruption allegations, which he denies.
Mr Olmert is expected to discuss the Iranian nuclear issue in talks with President George W Bush on Wednesday.

Mr Olmert told members of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee that targeted economic sanctions imposed against Iran were not enough.
"The long-term cost of a nuclear Iran greatly outweighs the short-term benefits of doing business with Iran," he said.
He continued that Iran's flouting of the international measures so far "leave no doubt as to the urgent need for more drastic and robust measures".
"The international community has a duty and responsibility to clarify to Iran, through drastic measures, that the repercussions of their continued pursuit of nuclear weapons will be devastating," he said.
He did not specify what these measures might be.
He also said peace with the Palestinians was "attainable", and pledged to pursue a "historic breakthrough" for peace by the end of the year.

Correspondents say it was the Israeli prime minister's strongest warning yet to Iran.
It followed a speech by Iran's supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, in which he insisted his country would not make nuclear weapons but would continue its civilian nuclear programme.
Earlier, the UN's nuclear watchdog said Iran's alleged research into warheads was of "serious concern", urging the country to give "full disclosure" on its atomic work.

At home Mr Olmert has faced calls that he step down over allegations of corruption.
The prime minister has been accused of taking $500,000 (£250,000) in bribes or illegal campaign donations, accusations that he denies.
He has not been charged, but says he would resign if indicted.'

I think nuclear power, even nuclear arms, for Iran would be a good thing.
They would be able to sell more of their oil and the Israelis would have to start behaving like grown-ups.
Fuck Israel
Burwhale
Save the BlobFish!
+136|6645|Brisneyland
Sure nuclear power should be something they should be allowed to try, but weapons , I dont think so. I think that the Israeli PM is sabre rattling with respect to threats against Iran. He must know that the West wont be backing any more foreign invasions for a while as it is too expensive and too unpopular at home. Foreign intervention will be used if Iran does nuke Israel ( and by then it will be too late). Israels intelligence is very good, I think they tend to take care of perceived threats on their own account. The hard thing is to know if their intel is right and they dont bomb a facility that is being used to generate power as opposed to one that is making weapons.

There is so much evidence that Iran backs Palestinian militant organisations ( some would say terrorists) covertly, that you would think it would make it relativley easy for them to provide those groups with a small nuke that could used in Israel ( if they had such a weapon). That must never happen.
CameronPoe
Member
+2,925|6978
Go on Olmert then if you have the balls ... launch an attack. And prepare for the consequences.

/rushes off to nearest petrol station....
Dilbert_X
The X stands for
+1,822|6529|eXtreme to the maX
Israels intelligence is very good
Israels intel on Iraq was completely wrong, or did they mislead their ally the US?
Fuck Israel
rammunition
Fully Loaded
+143|6284
is this the same Israel that has been building nuclear plants in secret for decades, a whistle blower by the name of Mordechai Vanunu was kidnapped when caught and has spent the last 20 years in jail for exposing Israel's secret nuclear program.

Also Israel is the biggest proliferator in the region. Not Syria, not Iran.
Israel is armed to the teeth and attacks everyone but the other country should shut up and receive this without flinching?


one more thing i will add. 189 countries have signed the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, which is a treaty to limit the spread of nuclear weapons. 5 nations on the list have nukes. Only 4 countries haven't signed this treaty. Israel with being one of them who hasn't signed and the only nation in the middle east who hasn't.

ISRAEL ARE HYPOCRITES!!!!!!!!!!
Burwhale
Save the BlobFish!
+136|6645|Brisneyland
Did the US invade Iraq on the basis of Israeli intel?? I dont think so. Although considering Saddam was launching Scud missiles into Israel in Gulf War 1, they would have a vested interest in getting the US to act an attack dog. Having said that I really dont think that the US would invade Iraq on the basis of Israeli intel alone.
I also think that their intel is very good, however they its their response to intel that is heavy handed. Israel is such a very small country, completely surrounded by other countries that dont really want it to be there. Their alert level is always very high ( and in a lot of cases for a very good reason). Being heavy handed with security as a response to intel is purely a survival tactic.
Burwhale
Save the BlobFish!
+136|6645|Brisneyland

rammunition wrote:

one more thing i will add. 189 countries have signed the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, which is a treaty to limit the spread of nuclear weapons. 5 nations on the list have nukes. Only 4 countries haven't signed this treaty. Israel with being one of them who hasn't signed and the only nation in the middle east who hasn't.

ISRAEL ARE HYPOCRITES!!!!!!!!!!
I wont disagree with you on this one. If Israel says that Iran shouldnt have nukes then it shouldnt either. That would indeed make them hypocrites.
rammunition
Fully Loaded
+143|6284

Burwhale the Avenger wrote:

rammunition wrote:

one more thing i will add. 189 countries have signed the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, which is a treaty to limit the spread of nuclear weapons. 5 nations on the list have nukes. Only 4 countries haven't signed this treaty. Israel with being one of them who hasn't signed and the only nation in the middle east who hasn't.

ISRAEL ARE HYPOCRITES!!!!!!!!!!
I wont disagree with you on this one. If Israel says that Iran shouldnt have nukes then it shouldn't either. That would indeed make them hypocrites.
If israel disarms and stops its nuclear proliferation then iran should, but until then i support Iran's right to nuclear energy.

Iran HAS BEEN more transparent abouts its program than Israel has, hypocrites piss me off the most. And america is pressuring Iran, not Israel despite the transparency

Last edited by rammunition (2008-06-04 04:36:34)

13rin
Member
+977|6902

rammunition wrote:

is this the same Israel that has been building nuclear plants in secret for decades, a whistle blower by the name of Mordechai Vanunu was kidnapped when caught and has spent the last 20 years in jail for exposing Israel's secret nuclear program.

Also Israel is the biggest proliferator in the region. Not Syria, not Iran.
Israel is armed to the teeth and attacks everyone but the other country should shut up and receive this without flinching?


one more thing i will add. 189 countries have signed the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, which is a treaty to limit the spread of nuclear weapons. 5 nations on the list have nukes. Only 4 countries haven't signed this treaty. Israel with being one of them who hasn't signed and the only nation in the middle east who hasn't.

ISRAEL ARE HYPOCRITES!!!!!!!!!!
Maybe so, but I hope they wipe out Iran.
I stood in line for four hours. They better give me a Wal-Mart gift card, or something.  - Rodney Booker, Job Fair attendee.
ZombieVampire!
The Gecko
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Why?
Deadmonkiefart
Floccinaucinihilipilificator
+177|7129

rammunition wrote:

Burwhale the Avenger wrote:

rammunition wrote:

one more thing i will add. 189 countries have signed the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, which is a treaty to limit the spread of nuclear weapons. 5 nations on the list have nukes. Only 4 countries haven't signed this treaty. Israel with being one of them who hasn't signed and the only nation in the middle east who hasn't.

ISRAEL ARE HYPOCRITES!!!!!!!!!!
I wont disagree with you on this one. If Israel says that Iran shouldnt have nukes then it shouldn't either. That would indeed make them hypocrites.
If israel disarms and stops its nuclear proliferation then iran should, but until then i support Iran's right to nuclear energy.

Iran HAS BEEN more transparent abouts its program than Israel has, hypocrites piss me off the most. And america is pressuring Iran, not Israel despite the transparency
That's because Iran has attacked it neighbors several times before and is not nearly as stable as Israel.
Dilbert_X
The X stands for
+1,822|6529|eXtreme to the maX
That's because Iran has attacked it neighbors several times before and is not nearly as stable as Israel.
Iran hasn't embarked on any pogroms lately though.
Fuck Israel
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6834|'Murka

rammunition wrote:

Burwhale the Avenger wrote:

rammunition wrote:

one more thing i will add. 189 countries have signed the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, which is a treaty to limit the spread of nuclear weapons. 5 nations on the list have nukes. Only 4 countries haven't signed this treaty. Israel with being one of them who hasn't signed and the only nation in the middle east who hasn't.

ISRAEL ARE HYPOCRITES!!!!!!!!!!
I wont disagree with you on this one. If Israel says that Iran shouldnt have nukes then it shouldn't either. That would indeed make them hypocrites.
If israel disarms and stops its nuclear proliferation then iran should, but until then i support Iran's right to nuclear energy.

Iran HAS BEEN more transparent abouts its program than Israel has, hypocrites piss me off the most. And america is pressuring Iran, not Israel despite the transparency
How exactly is Israel proliferating?

No one is arguing that Iran doesn't have the right to peaceful nuclear energy...multiple countries have made offers to help Iran (including the US, BTW) develop peaceful nuclear power. However, it is on the condition that Iran fully cooperate with the IAEA...which Iran refuses to do.

Yet they claim their nuke program is entirely peaceful...yet they refuse to cooperate with the IAEA, who would verify for the entire world that that is truly the case. That's not exactly "transparent", now is it? Sounds an awful lot like your argument against Israel...except they HAVE cooperated with the IAEA.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein

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PureFodder
Member
+225|6708

Deadmonkiefart wrote:

That's because Iran has attacked it neighbors several times before and is not nearly as stable as Israel.
List all the countries that Iran has attacked in the last hundred years.
JahManRed
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Its sad to see Israel/USA have learned nothing. Sanctions on Iran for trying to provide a future, stable, reliable energy platform for her people. Maybe not for a few generations, but future generations will need Nuclear power. FACT.

Sanctions which leed to the death of thousands of Iraqi people, mostly children. The same sanctions which caused civilian planes to fall from the sky because they couldn't get the parts. The same sanctions which strengthened Saddam and alienated the Iraqi people against the west.

Israel is only worried about the power balance. At the minute they have all the power. They can kidnap people from their own country, bomb sovereign nations and generally throw their weight around the middle east because they have nukes. I am no fan of nuclear proliferation. But seeing all the same mistakes and all the same rhetoric being repeated now with Iran, if I was an Iranian citizen I would be demanding my government get us some nukes to protect me from aggression and guarantee the right to develop an alternative energy source for my grand and great grand children

Last edited by JahManRed (2008-06-05 04:27:56)

FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6834|'Murka

JahManRed wrote:

Its sad to see Israel/USA have learned nothing. Sanctions on Iran for trying to provide a future, stable, reliable energy platform for her people. Maybe not for a few generations, but future generations will need Nuclear power. FACT.
More like sanctions for Iran not cooperating with the IAEA on their nuclear program. I don't think offering to help Iran develop purely peaceful nuclear power is anything like sanctions...

JahManRed wrote:

Sanctions which leed to the death of thousands of Iraqi people, mostly children. The same sanctions which caused civilian planes to fall from the sky because they couldn't get the parts. The same sanctions which strengthened Saddam and alienated the Iraqi people against the west.
It wasn't the sanctions that led to those things. It was the Iraqi regime's illegal funneling of oil for food money into gold toilets and proscribed weapons. With the help of the UN, BTW.

JahManRed wrote:

Israel is only worried about the power balance. At the minute they have all the power. They can kidnap people from their own country, bomb sovereign nations and generally throw their weight around the middle east because they have nukes. I am no fan of nuclear proliferation. But seeing all the same mistakes and all the same rhetoric being repeated now with Iran, if I was an Iranian citizen I would be demanding my government get us some nukes to protect me from aggression and guarantee the right to develop an alternative energy source for my grand and great grand children
Do you not realize that the rhetoric regarding Iran didn't start until their nuclear program came to light?

And please point to where a US official said Iran was going to be struck...not that military options were not off the table, but that the US would actually DO it.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein

Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
Lotta_Drool
Spit
+350|6606|Ireland
I hope Isreal fucks them up and then goes after Ireland.
Mekstizzle
WALKER
+3,611|7044|London, England
If most countries in the Middle East had nukes, the place would be much more peaceful, fact. Nukes kept the US and USSR from fighting each other, Nukes stopped India and Pakistan from fighting on a large scale.

At the end of the day, even people like Achmed of Iran aren't crazy enough to sacrifice their country to eliminate Israel or do anything that would get themselves nuked. No country is. That's why the only time a Nuke has been used is when it was first invented.
Lotta_Drool
Spit
+350|6606|Ireland

Mek-Stizzle wrote:

If most countries in the Middle East had nukes, the place would be much more peaceful, fact. Nukes kept the US and USSR from fighting each other, Nukes stopped India and Pakistan from fighting on a large scale.

At the end of the day, even people like Achmed of Iran aren't crazy enough to sacrifice their country to eliminate Israel or do anything that would get themselves nuked. No country is. That's why the only time a Nuke has been used is when it was first invented.
This may very well be the dumbest post I have ever read on this site.  It needs to be archived and preserved for generations so that we don't forget the intellect that lurks about in these threads.
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7180|Argentina

Lotta_Drool wrote:

Mek-Stizzle wrote:

If most countries in the Middle East had nukes, the place would be much more peaceful, fact. Nukes kept the US and USSR from fighting each other, Nukes stopped India and Pakistan from fighting on a large scale.

At the end of the day, even people like Achmed of Iran aren't crazy enough to sacrifice their country to eliminate Israel or do anything that would get themselves nuked. No country is. That's why the only time a Nuke has been used is when it was first invented.
This may very well be the dumbest post I have ever read on this site.  It needs to be archived and preserved for generations so that we don't forget the intellect that lurks about in these threads.
You should read yours.
Mekstizzle
WALKER
+3,611|7044|London, England

Lotta_Drool wrote:

Mek-Stizzle wrote:

If most countries in the Middle East had nukes, the place would be much more peaceful, fact. Nukes kept the US and USSR from fighting each other, Nukes stopped India and Pakistan from fighting on a large scale.

At the end of the day, even people like Achmed of Iran aren't crazy enough to sacrifice their country to eliminate Israel or do anything that would get themselves nuked. No country is. That's why the only time a Nuke has been used is when it was first invented.
This may very well be the dumbest post I have ever read on this site.  It needs to be archived and preserved for generations so that we don't forget the intellect that lurks about in these threads.
Lotta_Drool
Spit
+350|6606|Ireland

Mek-Stizzle wrote:

Lotta_Drool wrote:

Mek-Stizzle wrote:

If most countries in the Middle East had nukes, the place would be much more peaceful, fact. Nukes kept the US and USSR from fighting each other, Nukes stopped India and Pakistan from fighting on a large scale.

At the end of the day, even people like Achmed of Iran aren't crazy enough to sacrifice their country to eliminate Israel or do anything that would get themselves nuked. No country is. That's why the only time a Nuke has been used is when it was first invented.
This may very well be the dumbest post I have ever read on this site.  It needs to be archived and preserved for generations so that we don't forget the intellect that lurks about in these threads.
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6828|North Carolina

Lotta_Drool wrote:

Mek-Stizzle wrote:

Lotta_Drool wrote:


This may very well be the dumbest post I have ever read on this site.  It needs to be archived and preserved for generations so that we don't forget the intellect that lurks about in these threads.
What would make more sense is to let Iran have nukes.  With Iran and Israel aiming nukes at each other, they'll learn to stop threatening each other....  unless they're suicidal....

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