san4
The Mas
+311|7159|NYC, a place to live
Right, cowami?

AP wrote:

Air Force: Sensor moisture caused 1st B-2 crash
Jun 5, 10:32 PM (ET)
By JAYMES SONG
HICKAM AIR FORCE BASE, Hawaii (AP) - The Air Force on Thursday said the first crash of a B-2 stealth bomber was caused by moisture in sensors and estimated the loss of the aircraft at $1.4 billion.

The crash probably could have been avoided if knowledge of a technique to evaporate the moisture had been disseminated throughout the B-2 program, said Maj. Gen. Floyd L. Carpenter, who headed an accident investigation board.

The "Spirit of Kansas" abruptly pitched up, rolled and yawed to the left Feb. 23 before plunging to the ground at Andersen Air Force Base on the island of Guam. Both pilots ejected safely just after the left wing made contact with the ground in the first crash since the maiden B-2 flights nearly 20 years ago.

"It was just by the grace of God that they were safe, and the good (ejection) system," Carpenter said.

Water distorted preflight readings in three of the plane's 24 sensors, making the aircraft's control computer force the B-2 to pitch up on takeoff, resulting in a stall and subsequent crash.

Carpenter said the pilots and crew followed procedures and "the aircraft actually performed as it was designed. In other words, all the systems were functioning normally."

However, a technique learned by some two years ago that had gone widely unknown and unadopted probably would have prevented the crash, Carpenter said. The technique essentially heats the sensors and evaporates any moisture before data calibrations.

"This technique was never formalized in a technical order change or captured in 'lessons learned' reports. Hence, only some pilots and some maintenance technicians knew of the suggestion," according to Carpenter's executive summary of the accident.

The report said, "The human factor of communicating critical information was a contributing factor to this mishap."

The general said his responsibility was solely for the investigation of the crash and added that the report was forwarded to commanding officers to determine if any disciplinary measures are required.

The sensors measure air pressure to help calculate everything from airspeed to altitude. Because of the bad data, flight computers had inaccurate airspeed and wrongly indicated a downward angle, which contributed to an early rotation and uncontrolled 30-degree pitch up.

Carpenter said the lack of altitude and airspeed prevented the pilots from correcting the aircraft.

Guam, 3,700 miles southwest of Hawaii, is known for its humidity. But the Air Force said water in the sensors never caused any problems.

The Spirit was delivered in February 1995 and expected to be in service for another 50 years.

The bomber had been returning to Whiteman Air Force Base in Missouri, where the 21-plane fleet is based. The Air Force grounded the B-2s and resumed flying them in late April.

Carpenter said procedures and policies are now in place to guard against similar crashes.

"It's fortunate the crew was able to safely eject. It's unfortunate, however, that we lost one of our nation's penetrating bombers," said Gen. Carrol H. Chandler, commander of Pacific Air Forces.
Poseidon
Fudgepack DeQueef
+3,253|7008|Long Island, New York
Amazing how a water vapor could result in the loss of 1.4 billion dollars of our tax dollars..
**LiLp-DeFiNeD
Banned
+54|6625|Vancouver, BC, Canada
Odd coincidence.

Yesterday I was watching Mayday(Discovery Canada)

And the pitot on an airliner got plugged.

Autopilot got totally confused, pitched it to 15 degrees, pilot pulled engines, crashed in Atlantic ocean.

180 ppl dead.
AussieReaper
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
+5,761|6623|what

Reminds me of a similar incident in which a passenger airliner was under going the usual maintenance, such as cleaning the outer hull on the wings. The maintenance personnel are supposed to cover up the sensitive air intake holes with an adhesive tape to make sure no chemical fumes get sucked in, etc. All goes as planned, however a mechanic fails to remove a single piece of tape.

Next flight the pilots reach normal altitude but the computers sensors are all wrong. One reading gives alt at so many feet above ground level, but another reads that the air pressure is incorrect and alt is totally different. More errors and sensor give false readings and due so the pilots assume they are too high and so alt down into the sea.

I think it was nearly 200 people killed, just because one guy didn't remove a piece of tape. One guy dropped the ball and caused so many deaths.
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**LiLp-DeFiNeD
Banned
+54|6625|Vancouver, BC, Canada

TheAussieReaper wrote:

Reminds me of a similar incident in which a passenger airliner was under going the usual maintenance, such as cleaning the outer hull on the wings. The maintenance personnel are supposed to cover up the sensitive air intake holes with an adhesive tape to make sure no chemical fumes get sucked in, etc. All goes as planned, however a mechanic fails to remove a single piece of tape.

Next flight the pilots reach normal altitude but the computers sensors are all wrong. One reading gives alt at so many feet above ground level, but another reads that the air pressure is incorrect and alt is totally different. More errors and sensor give false readings and due so the pilots assume they are too high and so alt down into the sea.

I think it was nearly 200 people killed, just because one guy didn't remove a piece of tape. One guy dropped the ball and caused so many deaths.
Yeah, I saw that one too.

The reason for this one being clogged was that they parked the plane for a month, didn't cover the tubes with flags, and local bugs built mud nests inside(So says the theory, tubes never found)
mcminty
Moderating your content for the Australian Govt.
+879|7192|Sydney, Australia

TheAussieReaper wrote:

Reminds me of a similar incident in which a passenger airliner was under going the usual maintenance, such as cleaning the outer hull on the wings. The maintenance personnel are supposed to cover up the sensitive air intake holes with an adhesive tape to make sure no chemical fumes get sucked in, etc. All goes as planned, however a mechanic fails to remove a single piece of tape.

Next flight the pilots reach normal altitude but the computers sensors are all wrong. One reading gives alt at so many feet above ground level, but another reads that the air pressure is incorrect and alt is totally different. More errors and sensor give false readings and due so the pilots assume they are too high and so alt down into the sea.

I think it was nearly 200 people killed, just because one guy didn't remove a piece of tape. One guy dropped the ball and caused so many deaths.
AeroPeru Flight 603


Tape covered the Static Ports while cleaning. Wasn't removed. Had no ability to measure Airspeed, Altitude or Vertical Speed (rate of climb/descent).

70 dead.
AussieReaper
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
+5,761|6623|what

McMinty got it.

Sorry for the exaggerated kill count, it was awhile ago I saw it.
https://i.imgur.com/maVpUMN.png
Stubbee
Religions Hate Facts, Questions and Doubts
+223|7213|Reality
Just think how much that O-ring in the SRB cost the shuttle program in 1986 when Challenger went boom.

Last edited by Stubbee (2008-06-05 22:29:36)

The US economy is a giant Ponzi scheme. And 'to big to fail' is code speak for 'niahnahniahniahnah 99 percenters'
Nappy
Apprentice
+151|6700|NSW, Australia

title wrong, not pitot tube
argo4
Stand and Deliver
+86|6403|United States

**LiLp-DeFiNeD wrote:

Odd coincidence.

Yesterday I was watching Mayday(Discovery Canada)

And the pitot on an airliner got plugged.

Autopilot got totally confused, pitched it to 15 degrees, pilot pulled engines, crashed in Atlantic ocean.

180 ppl dead.
SwissAir right? I think I saw that one too, amazing series. Too bad they don't show it here in the U.S.
TheTrueQuaid
What was I doing mars?
+11|6369|Assachusetts

mcminty wrote:

TheAussieReaper wrote:

Reminds me of a similar incident in which a passenger airliner was under going the usual maintenance, such as cleaning the outer hull on the wings. The maintenance personnel are supposed to cover up the sensitive air intake holes with an adhesive tape to make sure no chemical fumes get sucked in, etc. All goes as planned, however a mechanic fails to remove a single piece of tape.

Next flight the pilots reach normal altitude but the computers sensors are all wrong. One reading gives alt at so many feet above ground level, but another reads that the air pressure is incorrect and alt is totally different. More errors and sensor give false readings and due so the pilots assume they are too high and so alt down into the sea.

I think it was nearly 200 people killed, just because one guy didn't remove a piece of tape. One guy dropped the ball and caused so many deaths.
AeroPeru Flight 603


Tape covered the Static Ports while cleaning. Wasn't removed. Had no ability to measure Airspeed, Altitude or Vertical Speed (rate of climb/descent).

70 dead.
I don't know how those pilots could even stay focused with all the WHOOP WHOOP WHOOP PULL UP WHOOP WHOOP PULL UP!. It must've really sucked when they realized they hit the water and couldn't pull up because they got the over speed warnings and were going to slow to pull up effectively.

Last edited by TheTrueQuaid (2008-06-06 06:06:35)

steelie34
pub hero!
+603|6852|the land of bourbon
this just goes to show how unstable these airframes are, and the reliance on computer systems to make thousands of slight corrections every second to the keep the plane airborne.  if any of our high-tech planes lose their on-board computer systems, they will most certainly be nearly impossible to fly.  that's one of the main reasons the f-18 was chosen for naval use instead of the f-16.  the f-16 has no analog backup flight systems, unlike the f-18.  a computer failure for the f-16 means immediate emergency landing, whereas the f-18's analog system could keep it airborne until return to carrier (cant land on water too well.)
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GuliblGuy
Zulu son, what!?!
+79|7256|Anaheim, CA

FatherTed
xD
+3,936|6970|so randum
I remember going on a walk around some RAF base, and someone (a randomer) was asked what they thought it (a pitot tube) was.

They said machine gun.

Nearly cried with laughter!
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Always raining and foggy
Use an umbrella
Freezer7Pro
I don't come here a lot anymore.
+1,447|6668|Winland

Stop it! I'm flying on a tiny Saab 340 from the 70's tomorrow!
The idea of any hi-fi system is to reproduce the source material as faithfully as possible, and to deliberately add distortion to everything you hear (due to amplifier deficiencies) because it sounds 'nice' is simply not high fidelity. If that is what you want to hear then there is no problem with that, but by adding so much additional material (by way of harmonics and intermodulation) you have a tailored sound system, not a hi-fi. - Rod Elliot, ESP
Gooners
Wiki Contributor
+2,700|7103

Freezer7Pro wrote:

Stop it! I'm flying on a tiny Saab 340 from the 70's tomorrow!
Where you going? Wait, you're actually leaving your room!?
Freezer7Pro
I don't come here a lot anymore.
+1,447|6668|Winland

Gooners wrote:

Freezer7Pro wrote:

Stop it! I'm flying on a tiny Saab 340 from the 70's tomorrow!
Where you going? Wait, you're actually leaving your room!?
Yes, I'm leaving my room and dog to my mate for a day, while I go to my uncle's wedding on the mainland.

Can you imagine, 280€ for a one-way journey to shore?
The idea of any hi-fi system is to reproduce the source material as faithfully as possible, and to deliberately add distortion to everything you hear (due to amplifier deficiencies) because it sounds 'nice' is simply not high fidelity. If that is what you want to hear then there is no problem with that, but by adding so much additional material (by way of harmonics and intermodulation) you have a tailored sound system, not a hi-fi. - Rod Elliot, ESP
FatherTed
xD
+3,936|6970|so randum

Freezer7Pro wrote:

Gooners wrote:

Freezer7Pro wrote:

Stop it! I'm flying on a tiny Saab 340 from the 70's tomorrow!
Where you going? Wait, you're actually leaving your room!?
Yes, I'm leaving my room and dog to my mate for a day, while I go to my uncle's wedding on the mainland.

Can you imagine, 280€ for a one-way journey to shore?
ha costs me £20 return to get home
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Use an umbrella
t0mhank5
Member
+319|7182|Surge

Nappy wrote:

title wrong, not pitot tube
lol, not this again.
Nappy
Apprentice
+151|6700|NSW, Australia

yep

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