Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|7023|132 and Bush

Turquoise wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Invading Zimbabwe would be easier to justify than invading Iran, for sure.
I thought it was all about oil. Which one has more oil?
Iraq is about oil.  Invading Iran is just about Zionism.  It's mostly the Zionists that are interested in invading Iran.
That is an extremely simple minded approach. If anything Iraq was about keeping Bush in office. At the time Republicans were seen as the stronger party on national defense. It's all about political posturing. The same reasons Clinton bombed Iraq in 1998.
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Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6828|North Carolina

Kmarion wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Kmarion wrote:


I thought it was all about oil. Which one has more oil?
Iraq is about oil.  Invading Iran is just about Zionism.  It's mostly the Zionists that are interested in invading Iran.
That is an extremely simple minded approach. If anything Iraq was about keeping Bush in office. At the time Republicans were seen as the stronger party on national defense. It's all about political posturing. The same reasons Clinton bombed Iraq in 1998.
Sure, posturing is part of the problem.  AIPAC is a big part too.
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|7023|132 and Bush

Turquoise wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

Turquoise wrote:


Iraq is about oil.  Invading Iran is just about Zionism.  It's mostly the Zionists that are interested in invading Iran.
That is an extremely simple minded approach. If anything Iraq was about keeping Bush in office. At the time Republicans were seen as the stronger party on national defense. It's all about political posturing. The same reasons Clinton bombed Iraq in 1998.
Sure, posturing is part of the problem.  AIPAC is a big part too.
I think you know how I feel about Israeli charity..lol.
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Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6828|North Carolina

Kmarion wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Kmarion wrote:


That is an extremely simple minded approach. If anything Iraq was about keeping Bush in office. At the time Republicans were seen as the stronger party on national defense. It's all about political posturing. The same reasons Clinton bombed Iraq in 1998.
Sure, posturing is part of the problem.  AIPAC is a big part too.
I think you know how I feel about Israeli charity..lol.
True...  It's just that, as PureFodder mentioned, the military industrial complex and the Zionists share the same interests in the Middle East.  They're the ones pushing things (along with Big Oil).

Zimbabwe is so far removed from all this that we don't generally give a shit.
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|7023|132 and Bush

Turquoise wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Sure, posturing is part of the problem.  AIPAC is a big part too.
I think you know how I feel about Israeli charity..lol.
True...  It's just that, as PureFodder mentioned, the military industrial complex and the Zionists share the same interests in the Middle East.  They're the ones pushing things (along with Big Oil).

Zimbabwe is so far removed from all this that we don't generally give a shit.
I bet the military industrial complex wouldn't mind another conflict. The Zimbabwe situation is disturbing but it is not something that can be permanently fixed externally. I'd prefer we followed our Constitution here and worried about things that are a direct threat to the United States. To which I only see unsecured borders as a present threat.
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Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6828|North Carolina

Kmarion wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Kmarion wrote:


I think you know how I feel about Israeli charity..lol.
True...  It's just that, as PureFodder mentioned, the military industrial complex and the Zionists share the same interests in the Middle East.  They're the ones pushing things (along with Big Oil).

Zimbabwe is so far removed from all this that we don't generally give a shit.
I bet the military industrial complex wouldn't mind another conflict. The Zimbabwe situation is disturbing but it is not something that can be permanently fixed externally. I'd prefer we followed our Constitution here and worried about things that are a direct threat to the United States. To which I only see unsecured borders as a present threat.
Well yeah, but that also means leaving Iraq.
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|7023|132 and Bush

Turquoise wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

Turquoise wrote:


True...  It's just that, as PureFodder mentioned, the military industrial complex and the Zionists share the same interests in the Middle East.  They're the ones pushing things (along with Big Oil).

Zimbabwe is so far removed from all this that we don't generally give a shit.
I bet the military industrial complex wouldn't mind another conflict. The Zimbabwe situation is disturbing but it is not something that can be permanently fixed externally. I'd prefer we followed our Constitution here and worried about things that are a direct threat to the United States. To which I only see unsecured borders as a present threat.
Well yeah, but that also means leaving Iraq.
Yes it does.
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Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6828|North Carolina

Kmarion wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Kmarion wrote:


I bet the military industrial complex wouldn't mind another conflict. The Zimbabwe situation is disturbing but it is not something that can be permanently fixed externally. I'd prefer we followed our Constitution here and worried about things that are a direct threat to the United States. To which I only see unsecured borders as a present threat.
Well yeah, but that also means leaving Iraq.
Yes it does.
I hope Obama goes through with his 16-month plan if he gets elected.
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|7023|132 and Bush

I don't want to break your heart butttt... http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?pi … 9#p2124049
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Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6828|North Carolina

Kmarion wrote:

I don't want to break your heart butttt... http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?pi … 9#p2124049
Well, only a small fraction of the troops we have in there right now will be manning these bases, right?
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|7023|132 and Bush

Turquoise wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

I don't want to break your heart butttt... http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?pi … 9#p2124049
Well, only a small fraction of the troops we have in there right now will be manning these bases, right?
I don't know. Basically he was just saying he would have to evaluate the situation when he was in office. Makes sense to me. The alternative is McCain saying we will stay in Iraq no matter what the circumstance is.
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Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6828|North Carolina
eh...  I like Obama, but this almost makes me want to vote for Nader.
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|7023|132 and Bush

Turquoise wrote:

eh...  I like Obama, but this almost makes me want to vote for Nader.
You don't think it would be wise for a would be Commander in Chief to be briefed on the current situation before pledging his commitment to a huge decision like that? I think it's wise no matter what your current position is.

We should never be unwilling to listen.
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Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6828|North Carolina

Kmarion wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

eh...  I like Obama, but this almost makes me want to vote for Nader.
You don't think it would be wise for a would be Commander in Chief to be briefed on the current situation before pledging his commitment to a huge decision like that? I think it's wise no matter what your current position is.
True, but who made the decision to put in these bases?  Bush?
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|7023|132 and Bush

Turquoise wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

eh...  I like Obama, but this almost makes me want to vote for Nader.
You don't think it would be wise for a would be Commander in Chief to be briefed on the current situation before pledging his commitment to a huge decision like that? I think it's wise no matter what your current position is.
True, but who made the decision to put in these bases?  Bush?
Congress.. they write the checks.
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Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6828|North Carolina

Kmarion wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Kmarion wrote:


You don't think it would be wise for a would be Commander in Chief to be briefed on the current situation before pledging his commitment to a huge decision like that? I think it's wise no matter what your current position is.
True, but who made the decision to put in these bases?  Bush?
Congress.. they write the checks.
This must've been back when the Republicans had a majority in both Houses.
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|7023|132 and Bush

Turquoise wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

True, but who made the decision to put in these bases?  Bush?
Congress.. they write the checks.
This must've been back when the Republicans had a majority in both Houses.
To my knowledge it has never been passed.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/26/washi … 79sEPIeLlA

Cam's topic of imperialism hides behind the veil of ambiguity. No sources and no confirmations of "secret deals" were ever cited. Without the funding it will never happen. The Democratic majority claims to be fighting it. Even though the GOP has never called for the bases ..lol

House Republicans offered little resistance, saying the plan essentially reflected current law and Bush administration policy. But they criticized Democrats for what they said was meaningless legislation since the administration had not called for permanent bases.
Political pandering over non issues it would seem.
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oug
Calmer than you are.
+380|6942|Πάϊ

CameronPoe wrote:

jord wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

he just has a die-if-they-vote-for-someone-else fanbase.
That he does.

He probably did rig this one, or if he didn't then he sure did a good job of messing up a legitimate victory.

When I say probably I mean I'd bet my family on it.
He didn't rig it - the posted totals for all election centres clearly add up to a Tsvangirai victory of 50.3%. The corruption has come in the form of him demanding a run-off, which should only occur if one runner has less than 50%.
Or he probably tried to rig it and did a bad job at it... Seems more probable to me. Anyone in his position would rig the elections. But his terror tactics obviously failed. He needs to learn a lesson or two from the Albanians...
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ZombieVampire!
The Gecko
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Interestingly there are now reports suggesting that Mugabe is powerless, and kept in place by the military as a useful figurehead.
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6828|North Carolina

ZombieVampire! wrote:

Interestingly there are now reports suggesting that Mugabe is powerless, and kept in place by the military as a useful figurehead.
Sounds like the military of Zimbabwe needs to be taken out then...
Sgt. Sergio Bennet 3rd
Member
+169|7169|Mexico City
no oil, no jews, etc., in general, no economical interests.
UN will let them rot, as usual.
jord
Member
+2,382|7101|The North, beyond the wall.

Sgt. Sergio Bennet 3rd wrote:

no oil, no jews, etc., in general, no economical interests.
UN will let them rot, as usual.
Hur hur hur hur.
unnamednewbie13
Moderator
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M.O.A.B wrote:

http://www.soundtrackcollector.com/imag … ode_47.jpg

nows the time for this guy ^
NOT THE FIBER WIRE!
jord
Member
+2,382|7101|The North, beyond the wall.

ZombieVampire! wrote:

Interestingly there are now reports suggesting that Mugabe is powerless, and kept in place by the military as a useful figurehead.
I'll tell you know he's still there because a foreign power wants him to be.

This is all from conspiracy central Lancashire.
ZombieVampire!
The Gecko
+69|6250

Turquoise wrote:

ZombieVampire! wrote:

Interestingly there are now reports suggesting that Mugabe is powerless, and kept in place by the military as a useful figurehead.
Sounds like the military of Zimbabwe needs to be taken out then...
So you're going to invade a country and destroy the only thing representing a semblance of order?


Oh, I'm sorry for doubting, that's bound to work.

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