M.O.A.B
'Light 'em up!'
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ZombieVampire! wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

ZombieVampire! wrote:

Interestingly there are now reports suggesting that Mugabe is powerless, and kept in place by the military as a useful figurehead.
Sounds like the military of Zimbabwe needs to be taken out then...
So you're going to invade a country and destroy the only thing representing a semblance of order?


Oh, I'm sorry for doubting, that's bound to work.
Order and Zimbabwe are two words that have yet to see each other.
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
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M.O.A.B wrote:

ZombieVampire! wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Sounds like the military of Zimbabwe needs to be taken out then...
So you're going to invade a country and destroy the only thing representing a semblance of order?


Oh, I'm sorry for doubting, that's bound to work.
Order and Zimbabwe are two words that have yet to see each other.
Nothing in our constitution allows us "to bring order" to another country.
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ZombieVampire!
The Gecko
+69|6250

M.O.A.B wrote:

ZombieVampire! wrote:

Turquoise wrote:


Sounds like the military of Zimbabwe needs to be taken out then...
So you're going to invade a country and destroy the only thing representing a semblance of order?


Oh, I'm sorry for doubting, that's bound to work.
Order and Zimbabwe are two words that have yet to see each other.
How d'you figure?
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6828|North Carolina

Kmarion wrote:

M.O.A.B wrote:

ZombieVampire! wrote:


So you're going to invade a country and destroy the only thing representing a semblance of order?


Oh, I'm sorry for doubting, that's bound to work.
Order and Zimbabwe are two words that have yet to see each other.
Nothing in our constitution allows us "to bring order" to another country.
True, but when's the last time we paid attention to that?...
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7180|Argentina

Kmarion wrote:

M.O.A.B wrote:

ZombieVampire! wrote:


So you're going to invade a country and destroy the only thing representing a semblance of order?


Oh, I'm sorry for doubting, that's bound to work.
Order and Zimbabwe are two words that have yet to see each other.
Nothing in our constitution allows us "to bring order" to another country.
So, did GWB violate the US Constitution by invading Iraq?
M.O.A.B
'Light 'em up!'
+1,220|6646|Escea

ZombieVampire! wrote:

M.O.A.B wrote:

ZombieVampire! wrote:


So you're going to invade a country and destroy the only thing representing a semblance of order?


Oh, I'm sorry for doubting, that's bound to work.
Order and Zimbabwe are two words that have yet to see each other.
How d'you figure?
I guess order is highly present in a country that seems to have ever present demonstrations, riots, beatings, killings and general violence. Most of which is committed by that countries own police force.
ZombieVampire!
The Gecko
+69|6250
Actually, the demonstrations and riots are fairly rare.  Beatings and killings are common, but that's as a control measure.
M.O.A.B
'Light 'em up!'
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ZombieVampire! wrote:

Actually, the demonstrations and riots are fairly rare.  Beatings and killings are common, but that's as a control measure.
So as a control measure that represents order?

They happen because no order exists to begin with. There's a reason why the cops over here aren't batting peoples heads in or shooting them because they stepped into the wrong area.
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6828|North Carolina

sergeriver wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

M.O.A.B wrote:


Order and Zimbabwe are two words that have yet to see each other.
Nothing in our constitution allows us "to bring order" to another country.
So, did GWB violate the US Constitution by invading Iraq?
More or less.  We've violated the Constitution so much that it's starting to look about as pointless as the U.N.
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6828|North Carolina

ZombieVampire! wrote:

Actually, the demonstrations and riots are fairly rare.  Beatings and killings are common, but that's as a control measure.
True, but maybe we can speed up the process by removing their government so that the beatings and killings escalate to the point that only one side remains alive, which then means peace again.
ShowMeTheMonkey
Member
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I always had a theory that Africa is like Europe in the middleages. Warring factions and what-not. But eventually we sort things out. Except it takes a long time.

Things fail when we give them guns and intervention. But what if intervention can help?
AutralianChainsaw
Member
+65|6621

Kmarion wrote:

As far as Americans..

Q:Would an invasion of Zimbabwe be justifiable?
A: Not if you read our Constitution.
Bingo
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|7023|132 and Bush

sergeriver wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

M.O.A.B wrote:

Order and Zimbabwe are two words that have yet to see each other.
Nothing in our constitution allows us "to bring order" to another country.
So, did GWB violate the US Constitution by invading Iraq?
He sold the idea Iraq was a direct threat. Congress agreed and authorized force. Direct and immediate threats are worthy of military action in our constitution. There is no way in hell someone could make a case for Zimbabwe being a direct threat to the United States. Of course congress hasn't officially declared war since WWII.
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ATG
Banned
+5,233|6952|Global Command
How to kill a country.



I'd say I can imagine a time when private corporations start staging their own invasions.
Imagine if one of the big companies hired mercs to over throw the government and got massive farms going and turned Africa into the bread basket of the world.

http://www.agra-alliance.org/news/pr060408.html
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7180|Argentina

Kmarion wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

Kmarion wrote:


Nothing in our constitution allows us "to bring order" to another country.
So, did GWB violate the US Constitution by invading Iraq?
He sold the idea Iraq was a direct threat. Congress agreed and authorized force. Direct and immediate threats are worthy of military action in our constitution. There is no way in hell someone could make a case for Zimbabwe being a direct threat to the United States. Of course congress hasn't officially declared war since WWII.
He sold an idea, so he violated the US Consitution.
SealXo
Member
+309|6958

ATG wrote:

I think Africa should solve Africas problems.
wise words.
ZombieVampire!
The Gecko
+69|6250

M.O.A.B wrote:

They happen because no order exists to begin with. There's a reason why the cops over here aren't batting peoples heads in or shooting them because they stepped into the wrong area.
Yes, because your laws prevent it.


Just because there lots of death and violence doesn't mean there isn't order.  By that logic Australia could accuse the US of lacking order.
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|7023|132 and Bush

sergeriver wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

So, did GWB violate the US Constitution by invading Iraq?
He sold the idea Iraq was a direct threat. Congress agreed and authorized force. Direct and immediate threats are worthy of military action in our constitution. There is no way in hell someone could make a case for Zimbabwe being a direct threat to the United States. Of course congress hasn't officially declared war since WWII.
He sold an idea, so he violated the US Consitution.
You miss the larger point. Perceived threats are just that, perceived.. There is a big difference between Zimbabwe and Iraq. If you cant see that I really can't help you.

If you need clarification as to where I stand . http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?pi … 9#p2127389 .
Last paragraph and sentence.
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