speaking of NYC, i read today that the health dept in the city reported that 25% are infected with the herpes. be carefullowing wrote:
Sad how, you paint yourselves with the same brush as those that kill women and children on purpose or use them as shields while they carry out attacks.....Or did your countrymen do the same things?
Enjoy NY
Hmmmmmmmm, now, I wonder why I do not doubt it.CaptainSpaulding71 wrote:
speaking of NYC, i read today that the health dept in the city reported that 25% are infected with the herpes. be carefullowing wrote:
Sad how, you paint yourselves with the same brush as those that kill women and children on purpose or use them as shields while they carry out attacks.....Or did your countrymen do the same things?
Enjoy NY
this was meant more for Cam's benefit. Cam: beware!lowing wrote:
Hmmmmmmmm, now, I wonder why I do not doubt it.CaptainSpaulding71 wrote:
speaking of NYC, i read today that the health dept in the city reported that 25% are infected with the herpes. be carefullowing wrote:
Sad how, you paint yourselves with the same brush as those that kill women and children on purpose or use them as shields while they carry out attacks.....Or did your countrymen do the same things?
Enjoy NY
And what? Big deal? It doesn't make all Muslims bad. It could just as well be a pro-life abortion clinic bomber that strikes us. They might be Christian. Doesn't mean it's going to colour my opinion of all Christians. Like you suggested: prudence is what is required and prudence is our what we are exhibiting and have exhibited. I have nothing to unduly worry about.lowing wrote:
Ummmmm Cam, WHEN you are attacked by Islamic terrorist........It will be a safe bet to assume that the ones that attacked you are indeed Muslims..Or do you think you will be attacked by Christians when cartoons are drawn of the prophet Muhammad?
Well the fact that terrorism is inevitable means that the cost is whatever the cost is. Tough shit basically. Shit, you could strap grab a gun and go into your local 7/11 and start shooting people right this minute. What is anyone gonna do about that? You might take down 3, 4, 8, 10 people before you actually get downed. That's the nature of terrorism - deal with it. Domestic security, intelligence operations and vigilance: all you can do (other than perhaps addressing the causes of people developing such a warped viewpoint that they would carry out a particular brand of terrorist act).lowing wrote:
As far as "terrorism will always happen and has always happened, Prevent it at all costs"? Where exactly does that "cost" end for you Cam? What "costs" are you willing to sacrifice? I mean shit, you are too worried about hurting someones' fuckin' feelings to even profile to prevent a terrorist attack.....What fuckin' costs are you talking about??
You care too much about extremely rare acts that don't really threaten the stability of Europe or the US or any nation. You need to remember that the so-called 'war on terror' is just like the 'war on want' or the 'war on drugs'. Unwinnable. All you can do is minimise and prevent: a policing action essentially. Unless you have some other genius answer???
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So six people from Pakistan are going to ask us to change our freedom of speech laws?..Well it's quite simple really, there's about as much chance of us doing what they're telling us as there is of them changing their Islamic system of doing things at our behest. We just remain vigilant against terror attacks as before and everything goes on as it did before. Not really anything to debate.
Except the mentality that Islam has, that it feels it is well within its rights to have you change to appease them or else you will be attack. This is a very dangerous prospect, since there is no doubt that you will be attacked when you do not comply......I know I know, there is no significant Islamic population in Europe to worry about....Oh wait.....Why am I no longer hearing that bullshit from any of you any more?Braddock wrote:
So six people from Pakistan are going to ask us to change our freedom of speech laws?..Well it's quite simple really, there's about as much chance of us doing what they're telling us as there is of them changing their Islamic system of doing things at our behest. We just remain vigilant against terror attacks as before and everything goes on as it did before. Not really anything to debate.
Hmmmmm whats the "big deal"?? Obviously Cam has not lost a child, mother father sister or brother to Islamic terrorism....So yeah, I guess from your point of view, there is no big deal Cam.CameronPoe wrote:
And what? Big deal? It doesn't make all Muslims bad. It could just as well be a pro-life abortion clinic bomber that strikes us. They might be Christian. Doesn't mean it's going to colour my opinion of all Christians. Like you suggested: prudence is what is required and prudence is our what we are exhibiting and have exhibited. I have nothing to unduly worry about.lowing wrote:
Ummmmm Cam, WHEN you are attacked by Islamic terrorist........It will be a safe bet to assume that the ones that attacked you are indeed Muslims..Or do you think you will be attacked by Christians when cartoons are drawn of the prophet Muhammad?Well the fact that terrorism is inevitable means that the cost is whatever the cost is. Tough shit basically. Shit, you could strap grab a gun and go into your local 7/11 and start shooting people right this minute. What is anyone gonna do about that? You might take down 3, 4, 8, 10 people before you actually get downed. That's the nature of terrorism - deal with it. Domestic security, intelligence operations and vigilance: all you can do (other than perhaps addressing the causes of people developing such a warped viewpoint that they would carry out a particular brand of terrorist act).lowing wrote:
As far as "terrorism will always happen and has always happened, Prevent it at all costs"? Where exactly does that "cost" end for you Cam? What "costs" are you willing to sacrifice? I mean shit, you are too worried about hurting someones' fuckin' feelings to even profile to prevent a terrorist attack.....What fuckin' costs are you talking about??
You care too much about extremely rare acts that don't really threaten the stability of Europe or the US or any nation. You need to remember that the so-called 'war on terror' is just like the 'war on want' or the 'war on drugs'. Unwinnable. All you can do is minimise and prevent: a policing action essentially. Unless you have some other genius answer???
Nope I do not have a genious plan.....however, I doubt I will be adopting your plan of just sitting back and waiting for it ot happen since it probably will not happen to me anyway.
Domestic security, intel, and vigilance..........I wonder where all of that intel comes from Cam......I guess the intel community justs sits back and waits for a post card from Bin Laden......Since I know you are not endorsing the intel community to go out and GET information forcably....
'Cardinal?....Fetch...the comfy chair!' - spanish inquisition sketch from monty pythonlowing wrote:
Domestic security, intel, and vigilance..........I wonder where all of that intel comes from Cam......I guess the intel community justs sits back and waits for a post card from Bin Laden......Since I know you are not endorsing the intel community to go out and GET information forcably....
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That mentality you just described could just as easily be applied to the US. They didn't like the Saddam regime, they invaded. They didn't like the Viet Cong regime, they invaded. They didn't like the Cuban regime, they spent years trying to topple it. The same thing was seen all round South America. We're seeing the same thing happen towards Iran.lowing wrote:
Except the mentality that Islam has, that it feels it is well within its rights to have you change to appease them or else you will be attack. This is a very dangerous prospect, since there is no doubt that you will be attacked when you do not comply......I know I know, there is no significant Islamic population in Europe to worry about....Oh wait.....Why am I no longer hearing that bullshit from any of you any more?Braddock wrote:
So six people from Pakistan are going to ask us to change our freedom of speech laws?..Well it's quite simple really, there's about as much chance of us doing what they're telling us as there is of them changing their Islamic system of doing things at our behest. We just remain vigilant against terror attacks as before and everything goes on as it did before. Not really anything to debate.
And as regards the Muslim population here in Europe? I'm still waiting to meet one I don't get along with.
Incidentally, how many Western-hating Muslims did you meet on your European travels?
that's easy, you both hate israel so that means you have alot in common.Braddock wrote:
And as regards the Muslim population here in Europe? I'm still waiting to meet one I don't get along with.
I've never had a chat about Israel with a Muslim now that I think of it. I've only ever talked about Israel with Jewish people.CaptainSpaulding71 wrote:
that's easy, you both hate israel so that means you have alot in common.Braddock wrote:
And as regards the Muslim population here in Europe? I'm still waiting to meet one I don't get along with.
I'm going to pakistan in the summer Lowing. I'm going to tell everyone how much you care. Cos i don't give a toss what those idiots think and i'm muslim!
Blackbelts are just whitebelts who have never quit.
lol. Defiantly ignorant to the last.lowing wrote:
Hmmmmm whats the "big deal"?? Obviously Cam has not lost a child, mother father sister or brother to Islamic terrorism....So yeah, I guess from your point of view, there is no big deal Cam.
Nope I do not have a genious plan.....however, I doubt I will be adopting your plan of just sitting back and waiting for it ot happen since it probably will not happen to me anyway.
Domestic security, intel, and vigilance..........I wonder where all of that intel comes from Cam......I guess the intel community justs sits back and waits for a post card from Bin Laden......Since I know you are not endorsing the intel community to go out and GET information forcably....
1. Terrorism matters and so does combatting terrorism. The perpetrators of that terrorism are common criminals. I won't differentiate terrorists on the basis of a generalised description, because that is just plainly disingenuous.
2. I thought I told you my genius plan, it kind of mirrors your original one: prudence and vigilance. Can't you read or something?
3. Intelligence gleaned forcibly is rarely of much value, as contended by torture sufferer John McCain. The smart money is on monitoring social gatherings, long distance microphones, monitoring suspicious websites, etc. It ain't rocket science. How do you think the European police have managed to nab so many Al Qaeda operatives: magic?
I'm beginning to get the impression you just want to use torture on Muslims for fun, innocent or not. It's kind of the generalised impression of America that the rest of the world has now after Abu Ghraib and Gitmo and guess what? It's things like that make people think you're no better than the people you're supposed to be fighting. Enjoy the stigma.
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I saw a few, never heard a bad word ( never discussed it)..........but before you get all holier than thou, I will add I didn't meet a single European that wasn't fed up with the Asians blowing through town.Braddock wrote:
That mentality you just described could just as easily be applied to the US. They didn't like the Saddam regime, they invaded. They didn't like the Viet Cong regime, they invaded. They didn't like the Cuban regime, they spent years trying to topple it. The same thing was seen all round South America. We're seeing the same thing happen towards Iran.lowing wrote:
Except the mentality that Islam has, that it feels it is well within its rights to have you change to appease them or else you will be attack. This is a very dangerous prospect, since there is no doubt that you will be attacked when you do not comply......I know I know, there is no significant Islamic population in Europe to worry about....Oh wait.....Why am I no longer hearing that bullshit from any of you any more?Braddock wrote:
So six people from Pakistan are going to ask us to change our freedom of speech laws?..Well it's quite simple really, there's about as much chance of us doing what they're telling us as there is of them changing their Islamic system of doing things at our behest. We just remain vigilant against terror attacks as before and everything goes on as it did before. Not really anything to debate.
And as regards the Muslim population here in Europe? I'm still waiting to meet one I don't get along with.
Incidentally, how many Western-hating Muslims did you meet on your European travels?
You would be lying if you told them that I cared. Lying is probably a beheading or stoning offense, so be careful.m3thod wrote:
I'm going to pakistan in the summer Lowing. I'm going to tell everyone how much you care. Cos i don't give a toss what those idiots think and i'm muslim!
1. The perpetrators of terrorism is terrorists. I do not put them in the same catergory as a murderer. Terrorism changes global economies elections, along with the victims families....Or do you not see the difference?CameronPoe wrote:
lol. Defiantly ignorant to the last.lowing wrote:
Hmmmmm whats the "big deal"?? Obviously Cam has not lost a child, mother father sister or brother to Islamic terrorism....So yeah, I guess from your point of view, there is no big deal Cam.
Nope I do not have a genious plan.....however, I doubt I will be adopting your plan of just sitting back and waiting for it ot happen since it probably will not happen to me anyway.
Domestic security, intel, and vigilance..........I wonder where all of that intel comes from Cam......I guess the intel community justs sits back and waits for a post card from Bin Laden......Since I know you are not endorsing the intel community to go out and GET information forcably....
1. Terrorism matters and so does combatting terrorism. The perpetrators of that terrorism are common criminals. I won't differentiate terrorists on the basis of a generalised description, because that is just plainly disingenuous.
2. I thought I told you my genius plan, it kind of mirrors your original one: prudence and vigilance. Can't you read or something?
3. Intelligence gleaned forcibly is rarely of much value, as contended by torture sufferer John McCain. The smart money is on monitoring social gatherings, long distance microphones, monitoring suspicious websites, etc. It ain't rocket science. How do you think the European police have managed to nab so many Al Qaeda operatives: magic?
I'm beginning to get the impression you just want to use torture on Muslims for fun, innocent or not. It's kind of the generalised impression of America that the rest of the world has now after Abu Ghraib and Gitmo and guess what? It's things like that make people think you're no better than the people you're supposed to be fighting. Enjoy the stigma.
2. For me prudence and vigilance dismisses your beloved political correctness. I am not concerned about profiling or hurting someones' feelings as much as you are.
3. I love how you have pegged all Americans as torture lovers based on the actions of what, 3 or 4 ill guided soldiers. And Islamic terrorism, and other delightful Islamic actions and beliefs fill the newspapers including this OP and you say I am generalizing.......and you talk about hypocrasy. Good stuff.
That would actually mean something if we still got from place to place by horse and sail. Now let's try reversing that:CameronPoe wrote:
The Muslim world lies thousands of miles from his doorstep
"The US lies thousands of miles from the Muslim world's doorstep."
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Lies. Your bf2s scour the worlds dodgy media copy and paste anti islamic crusade is the pinnacle of debating world. It's all here in black in white.lowing wrote:
You would be lying if you told them that I cared. Lying is probably a beheading or stoning offense, so be careful.m3thod wrote:
I'm going to pakistan in the summer Lowing. I'm going to tell everyone how much you care. Cos i don't give a toss what those idiots think and i'm muslim!
Blackbelts are just whitebelts who have never quit.
I might be going Amsterdam this summer, fuck yeah
Wow, so I am a pretty important guy huh??m3thod wrote:
Lies. Your bf2s scour the worlds dodgy media copy and paste anti islamic crusade is the pinnacle of debating world. It's all here in black in white.lowing wrote:
You would be lying if you told them that I cared. Lying is probably a beheading or stoning offense, so be careful.m3thod wrote:
I'm going to pakistan in the summer Lowing. I'm going to tell everyone how much you care. Cos i don't give a toss what those idiots think and i'm muslim!
I say that Europe should only agree to change its laws if Muslim women promise to shave their legs, pits, and shower more frequently.
Once again lowing shows an inability to distinguish the words 'Muslim' and 'terrorist.'
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
~ Richard Feynman
Nope, I can do that................I am waiting for you all to realize that ISLAMIC terrorists are Muslims.Spark wrote:
Once again lowing shows an inability to distinguish the words 'Muslim' and 'terrorist.'
Then why do you have in your title Islam at its best, not terrorism?
Why do you say "Except the mentality that Islam has", not the mentality terrorists have?
And on, and on, and on...
Why do you say "Except the mentality that Islam has", not the mentality terrorists have?
And on, and on, and on...
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
~ Richard Feynman
Because it is an ISLAMIC nation warning Europe that ISLAMIC terror and ISLAMIC backlash will erupt if Europe does not comply with the suggestions made by the ISLAMIC nation....I hope that clarifies it as to why I use the word ISLAM in my post.Spark wrote:
Then why do you have in your title Islam at its best, not terrorism?
Why do you say "Except the mentality that Islam has", not the mentality terrorists have?
And on, and on, and on...