Obama means 2nd Carter term?

2008-06-10 01:53:35

#1

(T)eflon(S)hadow: R.I.P. Neda; +456|7251|Grapevine, TX

And you all think that McCain is dull and has nothing to propose in the name of change?

MSNBC wrote:
From NBC's Mark Murray
In an interview to air later tonight on Nightly News, McCain tells NBC's Brian Williams that while Obama might criticize him for representing a third Bush term, Obama seems to be running for a second Carter term. Part of the transcript...

Williams: Is it going to be tough to run with an incumbent party for the White House, given this economic backdrop?

McCain: I-- I think it's-- it's tough. But I think the American didn't, people didn't get to know me yesterday. They know me. They know that I have fought for restraining spending, which Senator Obama has been a big part of, with earmarking (UNINTEL) projects. They know that I have been a strong fiscal conservative, and they know I understand the challenges that they face.

They need a little break from-- from their gasoline taxes, and they -- and they know that -- we've got to get spending under control. And we've got to become independent of foreign oil. Sen. Obama says that I'm running for a Bush's third terms. It seems to me he's running for Jimmy Carter's second. (LAUGHTER)

2008-06-10 02:04:35

#2

AussieReaper: ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°); +5,761|6575|what

I'd rather America see another Carter term than another Bush. But I suppose if both parties are looking at history there isn't going to be any progress either side.

2008-06-10 02:35:34

#3

FEOS: Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate; +1,182|6833|'Murka

TheAussieReaper wrote:
I'd rather America see another Carter term than another Bush. But I suppose if both parties are looking at history there isn't going to be any progress either side.

The economic mess we're in now is a walk in the park compared to what we went through under Carter.

“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular

2008-06-10 02:49:44

#4

CameronPoe: Member; +2,925|6978

Wasn't it Carter who said in 1980 that getting the nation weened off oil was a priority from an economic and national security perspective? And George W. Bush said the exact same thing not so long ago? 28 years of inaction coming home to roost it would seem. European governments are coming under massive pressure to reduce taxes on fuel, with strikes in Spain, France (surprise, surprise) and elsewhere. We all need to recgonise the fact that reducing tax on fuel is pointless. Oil is a finite ever-depleting resource and we need to let the free market indicate to us that oil needs to be made obsolete as a fuel asap.

Reduce tax - demand increases - price increases - price same or higher than it was but now the government have to find other ways of taxing you. Pointless.

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2008-06-10 03:32:06

#5

FEOS: Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate; +1,182|6833|'Murka

Yes, Carter saw that the US needed to wean itself off its dependence on oil. But he didn't do anything other than talk about it, nor did his successors.

Meanwhile, under Carter, we had mortgage rates of 18%, double-digit unemployment and double-digit inflation. Not seeing how that's preferable to what we're dealing with now, much less the better economic times of the past 6-7 years.

“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular

2008-06-10 05:15:07

#6

sergeriver: Cowboy from Hell; +1,928|7180|Argentina

If McCain said that, it must be true.

2008-06-10 14:58:39

#7

FEOS: Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate; +1,182|6833|'Murka

sergeriver wrote:
If McCain said that, it must be true.

And I suppose the same logic applies to Obama's claim?

“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular

2008-06-10 17:49:05

#8

Mason4Assassin444: retired; +552|7085|USA

Maybe I'm stupid but it seemed hard to read that.

It may be Carter's second term. But its certain we'll be finding out imo.

Barack will win and 8 years of mounting problems will be blamed on him.

Unless he fixes them.

2008-06-10 18:09:47

#9

ATG: Banned; +5,233|6951|Global Command

TheAussieReaper wrote:
I'd rather America see another Carter term than another Bush. But I suppose if both parties are looking at history there isn't going to be any progress either side.

Huh.
The Carter years sucked. I was about 8. How old were you.

2008-06-10 18:12:43

#10

God Save the Queen: Banned; +628|6766|tropical regions of london

if thats the case, the reagen years sucked terribly

2008-06-10 18:13:39

#11

HurricaИe: Banned; +877|6384|Washington DC

As long as this horrifying incident doesn't happen to Obama:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Cart … t_incident

2008-06-10 18:16:29

#12

ATG: Banned; +5,233|6951|Global Command

God Save the Queen wrote:
if thats the case, the reagen years sucked terribly

How exactly?

2008-06-10 18:20:54

#13

God Save the Queen: Banned; +628|6766|tropical regions of london

because all I remember from the reagen years was my apartment in the wilshire district being burglarized twice in a one week, seeing people getting stabbed to death off of sunset blvd on a friday night while im in the car in traffic, knowing my mom struggling to raise me by working for USC as a medical researcher only to depend on welfare. getting my bus pass stolen while waiting for the bus at gunpoint by someone who was only 4 years older than me. I could go on. you get the point. Age 8 isnt a good year to gauge a quality of life and tie it to the presidential administration

just like age 40 isnt a good age to still be politically confused.

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2008-06-10 18:42:31

#14

Kmar: Truth is my Bitch; +5,695|7023|132 and Bush

God Save the Queen wrote:
if thats the case, the reagen years sucked terribly

gtfo

lol

Xbone Stormsurgezz

2008-06-10 18:45:08

#15

unnamednewbie13: Moderator; +2,072|7194|PNW

FEOS wrote:
TheAussieReaper wrote:
I'd rather America see another Carter term than another Bush. But I suppose if both parties are looking at history there isn't going to be any progress either side.
The economic mess we're in now is a walk in the park compared to what we went through under Carter.

Iran for Carter!

2008-06-10 20:09:26

#16

imortal: Member; +240|7087|Austin, TX

I am just sick and tired of everyone thinking that Obama is the second coming. Okay, third coming, since Dean was obviously the second.

He is a politician. He is going to screw us anyways. He is going to raise taxes. All of the drivel he is spouting is "elect me!" hyperbole, without an ounce of substance to it.

Change? Yeah, right.

2008-06-10 20:19:24

#17

God Save the Queen: Banned; +628|6766|tropical regions of london

vote ron paul

I heard he kept all his donor money for himself. any truth to that?

2008-06-10 20:46:31

#18

Diesel_dyk: Object in mirror will feel larger than it appears; +178|6417|Truthistan

FEOS wrote:
Yes, Carter saw that the US needed to wean itself off its dependence on oil. But he didn't do anything other than talk about it, nor did his successors.

Meanwhile, under Carter, we had mortgage rates of 18%, double-digit unemployment and double-digit inflation. Not seeing how that's preferable to what we're dealing with now, much less the better economic times of the past 6-7 years.

Can't blame Carter for OPEC.

Are you going to blame Bush W. when we see double digit inflation again... Its going to happen again because of the huge rise in oil prices. whoever gets in next will have a real mess on their hands. My guess is that McCain will be president but Congress will have a veto proof majority because people got realy sick the spending spree when we had one party rule by the Repubilicans.

Right now the Fed is taking a non inflationary stance with low interest rates but don't fool yourself, that's only going to last until the election. After the election the Fed is going to jack up interest rates, this will slam the brakes on the economy hard but it will boost the dollar up and make oil imports cheaper, which in time (two or three years) should restimulate the economy.

My advice, get all you debt into a fixed rate loan, get rid of all your floating rate loans, zero your credit cards, keep your powder dry and get ready to try to hang on to what you got.

But I wouldn't blame Carter and I won't blame who gets in next... I do blame the dingle berry we've got in there right now though. Oh yah and the baby boomers can kiss their retirement saving good bye... the next thing you're going to hear is "son, mom and I have to come live with you for while...."

In short... If this weren't and election year we would already have double digit interest rates

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2008-06-10 20:49:00

#19

Lotta_Drool: Spit; +350|6606|Ireland

I'd have to say that if I wanted to vote to continue destroying this country under republican and democrapic rule that I would vote for Obama because he is half black man and half rich white guy.

2008-06-10 20:54:43

#20

Kmar: Truth is my Bitch; +5,695|7023|132 and Bush

They are already talking about re-raising the rates this year to counter inflation.
http://www.reuters.com/article/companyN … 4220080610

As far as Carter.

He began, conspicuously, to wear a cardigan sweater. He put solar panels on the White House. He turned down the thermostat, and started burning wood in the fireplace.

None of the high-handed symbology worked, however. Later in 1979, Carter's weak response to Iran's radical regime taking 52 Americans hostage sent oil prices soaring again. Carter cut off oil imports from Iran and the mullahs imposed an oil embargo, leading to a global market panic and a surge in prices — the second oil shock of the decade.

Within weeks, gas lines formed in cities across the U.S., with cars snaking up and down streets and around city blocks. Americans left idling in gas queues felt both angry and helpless, as they watched prices soar and shortages emerge — and saw a government unable or unwilling to fix the problem.

And what was Carter's response? Mostly symbolic stuff. He had a number of chances to correct the situation. He didn't.

In his malaise speech, Carter had laid out six proposals to end the energy crisis. They included simply telling people to stop using so much energy, the creation of the Synthetic Fuels Corp. and a handful of other costly alternative energy schemes, and the formation of the Energy Department. Despite billions spent, none did the job.

Unfortunately, he waited far too long to do what he really needed to do: Namely, completely end price controls on domestic oil, kill off oil import quotas, and veto the Windfall Profits Tax Act.

All of those policy moves had, taken together, sharply curtailed U.S. oil output, boosting our dependence on foreign oil and giving OPEC's unelected potentates a virtual stranglehold over the world economy.

http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticle … 0277656184

Xbone Stormsurgezz

2008-06-10 20:55:05

#21

paul386: Member; +22|6668

God Save the Queen wrote:
vote ron paul

I heard he kept all his donor money for himself. any truth to that?

No. Not true at all. What he didn't spend on his campaign was donated to other Ron Paul conservatives.

2008-06-10 20:57:36

#22

Kmar: Truth is my Bitch; +5,695|7023|132 and Bush

paul386 wrote:
God Save the Queen wrote:
vote ron paul

I heard he kept all his donor money for himself. any truth to that?
No. Not true at all. What he didn't spend on his campaign was donated to other Ron Paul conservatives.

Orrrr.
Good news: Ron Paul to hold own convention in Minneapolis during Republican convention.

Or maybe it's just going to jonestown Paulville.

Xbone Stormsurgezz

2008-06-10 20:59:04

#23

God Save the Queen: Banned; +628|6766|tropical regions of london

jonestown. rare occasion where I LOL'ed

2008-06-10 21:01:54

#24

Lotta_Drool: Spit; +350|6606|Ireland

Ron Paul reminds me of the weird gay uncle with a drug problem that nobody wants to make eye contact with at the family reunion. I wish he would have one the nomination because gay druggies need someone to vote for too.

2008-06-10 22:18:31

#25

Deadmonkiefart: Floccinaucinihilipilificator; +177|7128

TheAussieReaper wrote:
I'd rather America see another Carter term than another Bush. But I suppose if both parties are looking at history there isn't going to be any progress either side.

You wouldn't mind, because Carter cared more about the rest of the world than he did America. Carter was a a very nice, kindhearted, person, but he was also a fool. I hope to god Obama isn't another Carter.

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