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2006-02-27 09:29:40
INCSOC
Member since 1984
+113|7130|Denver, CO

MrBrain wrote:

I fucking hate them. The AA was improved in 1.2 but is still quite useless against airplanes, hence they gladly misses helis at 50m distance! It seems that after 1.2 only the real good pilots bother to fly, i.e. the basebombers. After 1.2 I oficially hate EVERY map with airplanes, the stingers are never there when you need them and if the airplane comes it comes fast, drop one flare and a load of bombs and ofcourse survive while you end up dead.
I couldn't disagree more... I play both the planes and AA a LOT and AA SIGNIFICANTLY improved... it's almost a fire and forget, i take down a chopper/plane almost every single time a take a shot at one.  Just practice a little... fire above the target and it's a breeze.  As far as being a pilot goes, from personal experience it's almost impossible to out maneuvre an AA missile... and it only takes 2.

MrBrain wrote:

The aviators are as free as before to baserape with their bombraids, and it ruins the game totally. Remember this one time at dalian plant there were almost no one using the airplanes (or atleast able to use them) and the map was fun to play. This last week if you play US, it's almost impossible to even get off the carrier. Take a heli and an air plane shoots you down or rams you, or take a boat and you might get to land just in time to taste the bombraids.
this is true somewhat... however there're TWO AA guns on the ship, use the second one and take the planes out... after 3-4 times they'll stop coming.  Read some AA gun tips in the Wiki guide and on these forums... don't stay in them all the time... wait for the plane to come, then jump in and waste it... with 8 missiles in the thing 2 of them are bound to land.

MrBrain wrote:

Only thing left to do is to play commander to avoid being pissed off all the time. But if I take dalian plant as example again commanding isn't much fun there either because of the offsetbug that makes arty/UAV/supply end up a few cm off from where you clicked.
Hate to tell you this... but it's NOT a bug... the arty overshoots depending on the distance away from the arty.  This deviation is pretty easy to figure out and it is directional.  It really only matters on the very large maps, and even then it's only about the width of the Essex at it's farthest point.

MrBrain wrote:

I've always tried to accept the airplanes and told my self, just shoot them down, take another route and so on. But you can't! There is never anything around to shoot them down with and taking the alternate route you still end up bombed because of the über-lockon system they have... The only thing left to adapt with here is to either become a planwhore or just don't play maps with air planes (which means you end up searching for a new server every 30min)

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Dude... come on... what do you think when you hear that airplane passing.  He can only see you if you're IN the vehicle... jump out get back in when he passes...  travel in buggies they're FAST and stop almost instantly.  It's not very difficult to avoid the planes.  Just have to always keep them in mind and react appropriately.
2006-02-27 10:18:12
MrBrain
Member
+24|7141|Finland

General_CoLin_Tassi wrote:

Just looked at your stats aswell. CRAP!
wtf does my stats have to do with this? Your stats arent all that good either, hence I've got a better spm than you.

It's funny to see the plane bitches moan here though, I hope you all stick the thread in your throat and vommit to death while crashing into a wall...
2006-02-27 10:24:24
General_CoLin_Tassi
Member
+-2|7151|England, UK

MrBrain wrote:

General_CoLin_Tassi wrote:

Just looked at your stats aswell. CRAP!
wtf does my stats have to do with this? Your stats arent all that good either, hence I've got a better spm than you.

It's funny to see the plane bitches moan here though, I hope you all stick the thread in your throat and vommit to death while crashing into a wall...
Well, anyone who wants to remove or further nerf the jets must be a crap player and hence must have crap stats, like yourself. And the better SPM is about all you've got better than me.
2006-02-27 10:26:58
Terrible_chester
PKM Whore
+16|7086|Prolly on wake.

MrBrain wrote:

I fucking hate them. The AA was improved in 1.2 but is still quite useless against airplanes, hence they gladly misses helis at 50m distance! It seems that after 1.2 only the real good pilots bother to fly, i.e. the basebombers. After 1.2 I oficially hate EVERY map with airplanes, the stingers are never there when you need them and if the airplane comes it comes fast, drop one flare and a load of bombs and ofcourse survive while you end up dead.

The aviators are as free as before to baserape with their bombraids, and it ruins the game totally. Remember this one time at dalian plant there were almost no one using the airplanes (or atleast able to use them) and the map was fun to play. This last week if you play US, it's almost impossible to even get off the carrier. Take a heli and an air plane shoots you down or rams you, or take a boat and you might get to land just in time to taste the bombraids.

Only thing left to do is to play commander to avoid being pissed off all the time. But if I take dalian plant as example again commanding isn't much fun there either because of the offsetbug that makes arty/UAV/supply end up a few cm off from where you clicked.

I've always tried to accept the airplanes and told my self, just shoot them down, take another route and so on. But you can't! There is never anything around to shoot them down with and taking the alternate route you still end up bombed because of the über-lockon system they have... The only thing left to adapt with here is to either become a planwhore or just don't play maps with air planes (which means you end up searching for a new server every 30min)

//EOF
This is a fucking joke right? I mean you arent really still crying about airpower after 1.2 are you?

I very limited play time pre-1.2 but I was around enough to know that planes ruled the day. Now I play wake and I literally laugh out loud everytime I even see a chopper/jet in the sky. Some pilots have gotten real good at using the terrain and being smart bout their routes of aproach, but even that only gives them a 50-50 chance against the AA. They might get to make one, maybe two runs before they are blown to hell from AA or MG fire. You seriously cannot be fucking still bitching about planes and choppers. Give it a rest for chist sakes.
2006-02-27 10:27:19
IvIaster.Us
Member
+-2|7097
wow you guys are all assholes...cut the guy a break

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2006-02-27 10:31:18
Terrible_chester
PKM Whore
+16|7086|Prolly on wake.
...Also, ever tried a little map I like to call Strike at Karkand? if you havent yet then dont bother, I mean the plane whoring that goes on there is total shit!! those little joystick gimps running to the planes, flying around, bobmbing the fuck out of everyone...get old man......
2006-02-27 10:37:32
Stubbee
Religions Hate Facts, Questions and Doubts
+223|7194|Reality

CookieMonster117 wrote:

You must really suck with the AA then. Cause ever since 1.2 you just cant escape them damn missles.  What they need to do is downgrade the missles a liitle bit.
NO

As a pilot I am glad they did this. I felt godlike in the air. Now I am very careful about routes and AA and other air.
Atleast the missiles hit something now. If anything the lock function stills needs to be improved because some missile still will come with inches of impact, turn 180 deg and hit a friendly on the other side of the map. Missile behaviour is WAY beyond wierd, you have all seen the videos. Maybe the hitboxes on the air vehicules is screwed and when the missile is about to hit the box disappears and it seeks the next target. If no ther target is around, it zips back and forth around the original target until it hits.
The US economy is a giant Ponzi scheme. And 'to big to fail' is code speak for 'niahnahniahniahnah 99 percenters'
2006-02-27 10:37:45
sclmjmbbf
Member
+0|7085
And in real life jets attack each other on distances where they can't even see each other,the problem with BF2 is that it is basically WWII-dogfighting with air-to-air-missiles(which have such a "good" lock) plus the jets lack radar which makes dogfighting an annoying business with switching cameras and flying wildly or you just get shot down without even noticing a jet behind you.....but how to improve that?


This is a game.   If I wanted "REAL LIFE" I would have joined the Armed Forces of the United States.
2006-02-27 10:42:20
Cybargs
Moderated
+2,285|7167

sclmjmbbf wrote:

And in real life jets attack each other on distances where they can't even see each other,the problem with BF2 is that it is basically WWII-dogfighting with air-to-air-missiles(which have such a "good" lock) plus the jets lack radar which makes dogfighting an annoying business with switching cameras and flying wildly or you just get shot down without even noticing a jet behind you.....but how to improve that?


This is a game.   If I wanted "REAL LIFE" I would have joined the Armed Forces of the United States.
bet u cant past the airforce entry test

but i would say the airspeed is ridiculus, i mean when ur under 500kph ur plane starts to fall out of the sky? WTF should be more like 100... EA should really fix this
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2006-02-27 12:18:06
General_CoLin_Tassi
Member
+-2|7151|England, UK

MrBrain wrote:

I fucking hate them. The AA was improved in 1.2 but is still quite useless against airplanes, hence they gladly misses helis at 50m distance! It seems that after 1.2 only the real good pilots bother to fly, i.e. the basebombers. After 1.2 I oficially hate EVERY map with airplanes, the stingers are never there when you need them and if the airplane comes it comes fast, drop one flare and a load of bombs and ofcourse survive while you end up dead.

The aviators are as free as before to baserape with their bombraids, and it ruins the game totally. Remember this one time at dalian plant there were almost no one using the airplanes (or atleast able to use them) and the map was fun to play. This last week if you play US, it's almost impossible to even get off the carrier. Take a heli and an air plane shoots you down or rams you, or take a boat and you might get to land just in time to taste the bombraids.

Only thing left to do is to play commander to avoid being pissed off all the time. But if I take dalian plant as example again commanding isn't much fun there either because of the offsetbug that makes arty/UAV/supply end up a few cm off from where you clicked.

I've always tried to accept the airplanes and told my self, just shoot them down, take another route and so on. But you can't! There is never anything around to shoot them down with and taking the alternate route you still end up bombed because of the über-lockon system they have... The only thing left to adapt with here is to either become a planwhore or just don't play maps with air planes (which means you end up searching for a new server every 30min)

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And I quote "The AA was improved in 1.2 but is still quite useless against airplanes" LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL
2006-02-27 12:32:08
rustynutz
I am British!
+124|7133|England and damn proud
i bet he wasnt expecting this much shit back lol but i do disagree MOST OF MY VERY FEW POINTS I HAVE GOT WITH PLANES AND I ONLY BASEBOMB WHEN THERE ARE NOT ENOUGH PLAYERS TO START THE GAME!!!
me like planes...take them out and alot of ppl would stop playing i think
2006-02-27 14:35:43
MrBrain
Member
+24|7141|Finland
hehe, indeed I wanted the shit feedback. I was counting on that every plane whore would feel insecure like "what, are you bitching about me only getting killed once per round before 1.2 while I'm getting killed twice now?!"
Look we all know this, all are afraid of the AA. Either the plane don't go near them or they bomb them...
You can bitch all you want and so will I, this is the bitch section of the forum.

And as for the stats thing, I was in an ariplane until I got my bagde, I didn't like the jets because after 3 second you're out of the map and if you turn around you're halfway past it again.

What I'm bitching about is that when you are on foot/in armour/in heli you're vournable as hell, but not in a jet, BECAUSE nowone stays in an AA or near one for 5 minutes just to se a jet for 3secs and get killed... This is a fact on every server I've played on, since no n00b (=newbie, not idiot) flies a jet, only a jetwhore...

All jet fliers shoud have lear n to die as much as everyone else. I'm no friggin magic merlin and I don't expect to be one. But id you moan about tanks, noobtubes, bunnies (wtf?!) all jetter should take a look in the mirror and all the moaners should think about that the jets, are in fact, still gods...
2006-02-27 17:38:06
DU AGAIN
Member
+2|7087
MrBrain, I think you need to buy a Nintendo, it is more your speed I think.
2006-02-27 17:48:21
WormGuts
Member
+17|7244|Dayton, Ohio

specops10-4 wrote:

WHAT A FUCKING NOOB!  I am a jet whore I must admit but my K/D has plummeted since the patch.  Taking out the jets would be like taking out the tanks or taking out the assault class, it is a big part of the game. 
(as a side not I think it would be cool if the commander could call in air strikes or something, to tell the jets where to attack)
uhm the commander can if you're in a squad...in other words jet whores.  form a squad together and lock it.  so your CO can direct you where you are needed for bombing runs.

personally i wouldn't mind seeing them gone.  i play non plane maps as often as i can.  i am fairly skilled with AA, and have finally since the patch, been able to take them out on occasion.  i still find the stingers/iglas mostly useless against planes though.  the mobile AA is brutally effective now however. 

i suppose if i actually had a joystick and could gain some flying time/skill my opinion might change on this, but for now...

of corse they are far to much a part of the 'chemistry' of the game that they wouldn't remove them. 

as for jet whores K/D ratios 'plummeting'.  GOOD it's about time.  we ground pounders will have no sympathy for your complaints, much like ours  have fallen upon deaf ears among 'your kind'.

Last edited by WormGuts (2006-02-27 17:58:47)

2006-02-28 01:19:32
General_CoLin_Tassi
Member
+-2|7151|England, UK

DU AGAIN wrote:

MrBrain, I think you need to buy a Nintendo, it is more your speed I think.
Yep, try BF2 Modern Combat on the PS2. Your argument is flawed, uninformed and obviously comes from someone with low skills. The main problem in patch 1.12 was the uberish jets and the AA being crap. Both have now been sorted. If you can't play the game go play something else instead of whining. I've managed to progress through the ranks and attained decent stats and so have alot of other skilled players. Obviously you want the game changed into something else other than BF2. I say again, if you can't shoot down jets with the new AA then you seriously need to practice or give up and get your console out. The new AA is so easy too use. You have made yourself look like a complete unskilled noob, and your stats prove it aswell.
2006-02-28 01:38:00
MrBrain
Member
+24|7141|Finland

General_CoLin_Tassi wrote:

DU AGAIN wrote:

MrBrain, I think you need to buy a Nintendo, it is more your speed I think.
Yep, try BF2 Modern Combat on the PS2. Your argument is flawed, uninformed and obviously comes from someone with low skills. The main problem in patch 1.12 was the uberish jets and the AA being crap. Both have now been sorted. If you can't play the game go play something else instead of whining. I've managed to progress through the ranks and attained decent stats and so have alot of other skilled players. Obviously you want the game changed into something else other than BF2. I say again, if you can't shoot down jets with the new AA then you seriously need to practice or give up and get your console out. The new AA is so easy too use. You have made yourself look like a complete unskilled noob, and your stats prove it aswell.
You're not particularly smart are you? Again, wtf does the stats have to with anything here? I'm not complaining about that I can't fly, it was about that the jets still are gods.
2006-02-28 02:06:20
hutchy52
Member
+12|7205
I think that the AA is fine how it is, I will now take jets out as much as they that me out (since 1.2 patch).

One thing, however, is the jets missiles didnt need to be made more accurate as they were already the strongest thing in the game.

I think they should leave the AA how it is now, and revert the jets missiles back to how they were in 1.12.
(Making the jets missiles weak again would benefit the ground troops, as there would be longer dogfights in the air, which of course means less bombing).

*EA you stupid fuckers, why patch out dogfights in the jets
2006-02-28 02:30:06
Vintageologist
Tankbuster
+31|7208|Vienna, Austria

MrBrain wrote:

All jet fliers shoud have lear n to die as much as everyone else.
LOL? WTF? Why would someone use a plane then? I never heard such a stupid thing... I mean it's obvious that vehicles, especially planes SHOULD last longer. This is why not everyonecan have one. Sad but true. I'm not trying to sound like an a$$hole, but if you want equal chances, go play CS.
2006-02-28 03:18:05
General_CoLin_Tassi
Member
+-2|7151|England, UK

MrBrain wrote:

General_CoLin_Tassi wrote:

DU AGAIN wrote:

MrBrain, I think you need to buy a Nintendo, it is more your speed I think.
Yep, try BF2 Modern Combat on the PS2. Your argument is flawed, uninformed and obviously comes from someone with low skills. The main problem in patch 1.12 was the uberish jets and the AA being crap. Both have now been sorted. If you can't play the game go play something else instead of whining. I've managed to progress through the ranks and attained decent stats and so have alot of other skilled players. Obviously you want the game changed into something else other than BF2. I say again, if you can't shoot down jets with the new AA then you seriously need to practice or give up and get your console out. The new AA is so easy too use. You have made yourself look like a complete unskilled noob, and your stats prove it aswell.
You're not particularly smart are you? Again, wtf does the stats have to with anything here? I'm not complaining about that I can't fly, it was about that the jets still are gods.
Right, let me explain. THE JETS ARE NOT GODS SINCE PATCH 1.2!!!!! The new and improved AA is well easy to use. Your the dumb one. Anyone must be able to use the new AA surely.
Regarding your stats, I had to check them as I couldn't believe that an experienced player, or anyone really that has even a little bit of skill, would have stated that the jets need a further reduction or even removing and hence I was proved right, your stats are poor. Try concentrating on getting more kills than deaths before wanting to turn BF2 into CS. LOL. Jets/heli's/TANKS/apc's plus all the other vehicles is what makes BF2 an excellent game. LOL. Your calling me dumb when its you that can't deal with the airpower and hence you must be a air power fearing no skill NOOB! Hope this answers your question.

Last edited by General_CoLin_Tassi (2006-02-28 03:35:12)

2006-02-28 03:20:56
General_CoLin_Tassi
Member
+-2|7151|England, UK

Vintageologist wrote:

MrBrain wrote:

All jet fliers shoud have lear n to die as much as everyone else.
LOL? WTF? Why would someone use a plane then? I never heard such a stupid thing... I mean it's obvious that vehicles, especially planes SHOULD last longer. This is why not everyonecan have one. Sad but true. I'm not trying to sound like an a$$hole, but if you want equal chances, go play CS.
Well said mate. CS has no vehicles, neither does Quake 4. Feck off and play them. Its people like Mr Brain that proberly brought about some of the over nerfing in patch 1.2. And before you start, obviously some area's of the game needed sorting but its been taken too far hence we await patch 1.21.
2006-02-28 03:25:09
Flecco
iPod is broken.
+1,048|7115|NT, like Mick Dundee

CookieMonster117 wrote:

You must really suck with the AA then. Cause ever since 1.2 you just cant escape them damn missles.  What they need to do is downgrade the missles a liitle bit.
Seconded, I groundpound on Wake... It just isn't the same anymore...

No jokes either, they fucked up with the AA and the choppers... Kinda miss the jets bombin the crap outta me too...
Whoa... Can't believe these forums are still kicking.
2006-02-28 03:28:01
General_CoLin_Tassi
Member
+-2|7151|England, UK
I see that Mr Brain is a tank driver. Perhaps we should get rid of the tanks as they kill lots of troops like the jets and attack heli's. LOL
2006-02-28 03:42:12
General_CoLin_Tassi
Member
+-2|7151|England, UK
Just to say again to Mr Brain regarding your stats. Your stats have come into question as nobody can believe that a half decent player would want the jets removing as they can't deal with them. And after looking at your stats, they are poor and hence proves my point that this thread has been posted by a unskilled air power fearing noob. No offence personally but if you had more skill then you wouldn't be writing this thread. Plus read through this thread again and check out everybody elses comments. Nobody agrees with you.
2006-02-28 08:53:29
General_CoLin_Tassi
Member
+-2|7151|England, UK

J0hn.F.Kenedy wrote:

One more of those low skilled player who want the game to ajust to them and they dont want to ajust to the game....
Only got one thing to tell you get better and stop bitchin or go play something else !!!
Again, well said mate!
2006-02-28 08:57:58
General_CoLin_Tassi
Member
+-2|7151|England, UK
Oh and by the way, Karkand or Manchur or that stalemate one maybe for u Mr Brain. No jets

 

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