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2008-06-11 10:24:07
CaptainSpaulding71
Member
+119|6779|CA, USA

Braddock wrote:

CaptainSpaulding71 wrote:

m3thod wrote:

Well you guys voted for him...twice.  I still remember my disbelief with his reelection and i live in the UK.  Seriously what are you people on?
it would be poor strategic decision to change leaders in the middle of a war. 

Also, give us good alternatives.  Kerry?  come on.  Gore?  If there was a more centrist candidate from either side, i'm sure that would have helped, but the democrats were so far left, it gave many no choice.
It's mad that a country as vast as America still ultimately has a two-party system. I always think of that episode of the Simpsons where the two aliens run for President.
we have multiple parties but practically it's a two party system due to the amount of funding they get from contributors.  When we DO have a viable 3rd party candidate it usually splits the vote and was the reason Clinton got elected to his first term in my opinion.  i was young and voted for Perot as independent.  He split the republican vote for Bush in 1992 and that gave Clinton enough to get elected. 

i just wish the democrats would not be so far left with regards to social issues.  Also, i don't think socialism and liberalism is the answer to everything.
i wish the current republicans would be more fiscally conservative and move to the center a bit on social issues like abortion.
i also wish that neither party does anything related to the economy before consulting with Thomas Sowell.  That guy is a genius.
2008-06-11 10:38:41
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|7023|132 and Bush

What wrong with liberalism? Thomas Jefferson was liberal. Are you going to tell me he was a Socialist? He fought the Federalist from the beginning.

... man we've really mucked the real meaning of that word.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
2008-06-11 10:39:35
CoronadoSEAL
pics or it didn't happen
+207|6940|USA

SealXo wrote:

Wanna pay more? vote obama for change

change in gas prices....
http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?id=102843
'cause that'll work...

"and the sheep chant, 'obahahahahahhama'"
2008-06-11 10:42:42
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|7023|132 and Bush

CoronadoSEAL wrote:

SealXo wrote:

Wanna pay more? vote obama for change

change in gas prices....
http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?id=102843
'cause that'll work...

"and the sheep chant, 'obahahahahahhama'"
Not a real point considering both Obama and McCain are looking to hit the oil companies with penalties.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
2008-06-11 10:53:50
Lotta_Drool
Spit
+350|6606|Ireland

CameronPoe wrote:

Backtracking because he knows an attack on Iran would fuck the US economy, and the global economy, in the ass.
The US military presence ( is it really a war in Iraq, come on ) in the middle east has done nothing but secure and sabilize the price of oil and has mostly benefitted Europe because they get much more oil from the Middle East than the US (percent wise).

If you disagree please explain your thought process to me, because last I knew the US liberated Kwait from Iraq, protected Saudi from an Iraqi invasion, and asked Israel not to wipe Iraq off the map when it started to lob missles at them.  Iran/Saudi Arabia/Syria on the other hand have all been sending weapons, soldiers, and supplies across their borders into Iraq to destroy the new Iraqi government that was established after the same leader that started destablizing the region by invading neighbors was removed from power because he refused to live up to the cease fire agreements established after the US liberated Kwait.

Near as I can tell the US has been fighting all of this since 1991, securing the region, and the shipping lanes out of the gulf.  How this drives up the price of Oil I'll never know.  Perhaps the US should take Europes approach and just arm the most militant regimes so they are strong and then make big Oil deals with them.
2008-06-11 11:04:26
CameronPoe
Member
+2,925|6978

Lotta_Drool wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

Backtracking because he knows an attack on Iran would fuck the US economy, and the global economy, in the ass.
The US military presence ( is it really a war in Iraq, come on ) in the middle east has done nothing but secure and sabilize the price of oil and has mostly benefitted Europe because they get much more oil from the Middle East than the US (percent wise).

If you disagree please explain your thought process to me, because last I knew the US liberated Kwait from Iraq, protected Saudi from an Iraqi invasion, and asked Israel not to wipe Iraq off the map when it started to lob missles at them.  Iran/Saudi Arabia/Syria on the other hand have all been sending weapons, soldiers, and supplies across their borders into Iraq to destroy the new Iraqi government that was established after the same leader that started destablizing the region by invading neighbors was removed from power because he refused to live up to the cease fire agreements established after the US liberated Kwait.

Near as I can tell the US has been fighting all of this since 1991, securing the region, and the shipping lanes out of the gulf.  How this drives up the price of Oil I'll never know.  Perhaps the US should take Europes approach and just arm the most militant regimes so they are strong and then make big Oil deals with them.
What do you think Iran is going to do when it gets attacked? Start pumping more oil? Every nation competes with each other in the free market for oil. It's a global market for a commodity. You get oil from Venezuela. If we offer more money for the oil they'll supply us instead. The strength of our currency as against yours will fuck you in the ass. Ultimately everyone will get fucked anyway as the price will rise globally. Don't you understand GLOBAL markets for commodities or something?

lol at your nonsense. 'Arming militant regimes'. Isn't that America's speciality? Saudi Arabian arms deals? Arming local militias for 'policing' purposes? Your government is haemorrhaging money with your military campaigns thousands of miles from home. Enjoy the impact on your economy.
2008-06-11 11:06:09
Braddock
Agitator
+916|6713|Éire

Lotta_Drool wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

Backtracking because he knows an attack on Iran would fuck the US economy, and the global economy, in the ass.
The US military presence ( is it really a war in Iraq, come on ) in the middle east has done nothing but secure and sabilize the price of oil and has mostly benefitted Europe because they get much more oil from the Middle East than the US (percent wise).

If you disagree please explain your thought process to me, because last I knew the US liberated Kwait from Iraq, protected Saudi from an Iraqi invasion, and asked Israel not to wipe Iraq off the map when it started to lob missles at them.  Iran/Saudi Arabia/Syria on the other hand have all been sending weapons, soldiers, and supplies across their borders into Iraq to destroy the new Iraqi government that was established after the same leader that started destablizing the region by invading neighbors was removed from power because he refused to live up to the cease fire agreements established after the US liberated Kwait.

Near as I can tell the US has been fighting all of this since 1991, securing the region, and the shipping lanes out of the gulf.  How this drives up the price of Oil I'll never know.  Perhaps the US should take Europes approach and just arm the most militant regimes so they are strong and then make big Oil deals with them.
Securing the region and stabilizing the price of oil...two things I wouldn't associate with the Iraq war.

Right now we have an Al Qaeda stronghold in a country where they were pretty much non-existent and record high oil prices. Let me guess, if you hadn't invaded things would be much worse, yes?
2008-06-11 11:08:06
Adamshannon8
Member
+94|6607

m3thod wrote:

Well you guys voted for him...twice.  I still remember my disbelief with his reelection and i live in the UK.  Seriously what are you people on?
I can't vote yet, but even i knew that John Kerry would have been better then the monkey we have now, (Wait, a monkey could be better for this country then bush ever was)...
2008-06-11 11:19:01
Bernadictus
Moderator
+1,055|7159

Your lolling me about your gas prices. Your prices are ridiculous. Try spending 1.60 euro's for a liter of Euro95 Petrol. That is expensive.
2008-06-11 11:19:41
Lotta_Drool
Spit
+350|6606|Ireland

Braddock wrote:

Lotta_Drool wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

Backtracking because he knows an attack on Iran would fuck the US economy, and the global economy, in the ass.
The US military presence ( is it really a war in Iraq, come on ) in the middle east has done nothing but secure and sabilize the price of oil and has mostly benefitted Europe because they get much more oil from the Middle East than the US (percent wise).

If you disagree please explain your thought process to me, because last I knew the US liberated Kwait from Iraq, protected Saudi from an Iraqi invasion, and asked Israel not to wipe Iraq off the map when it started to lob missles at them.  Iran/Saudi Arabia/Syria on the other hand have all been sending weapons, soldiers, and supplies across their borders into Iraq to destroy the new Iraqi government that was established after the same leader that started destablizing the region by invading neighbors was removed from power because he refused to live up to the cease fire agreements established after the US liberated Kwait.

Near as I can tell the US has been fighting all of this since 1991, securing the region, and the shipping lanes out of the gulf.  How this drives up the price of Oil I'll never know.  Perhaps the US should take Europes approach and just arm the most militant regimes so they are strong and then make big Oil deals with them.
Securing the region and stabilizing the price of oil...two things I wouldn't associate with the Iraq war.

Right now we have an Al Qaeda stronghold in a country where they were pretty much non-existent and record high oil prices. Let me guess, if you hadn't invaded things would be much worse, yes?
So Oil would be less if Sadam was in power, owned Kwait and Saudi Arabia, and was at war with Israel? I don't think so.

Also, if the US would have pulled out of the region entirely after the first war, please tell me what Sadam would have been doing all these years?

Al Qaeda is Al Qaeda, does it really matter where they are?  If they leave Saudi and go into Iraq, how does this effect oil prices?
2008-06-11 11:22:53
Bertster7
Confused Pothead
+1,101|7004|SE London

Lotta_Drool wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

Backtracking because he knows an attack on Iran would fuck the US economy, and the global economy, in the ass.
The US military presence ( is it really a war in Iraq, come on ) in the middle east has done nothing but secure and sabilize the price of oil and has mostly benefitted Europe because they get much more oil from the Middle East than the US (percent wise).
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

Stabilised the price of oil?

Why the hell should it make any difference who gets their oil from where? Oil has a fixed global price per barrel. It doesn't matter who you buy it from. What matters are the levels of demand and production. The levels of production in Iraq dropped massively for a very long time and are almost up to pre-war levels. How does decreasing oil production in Iraq help anyone?

BP have announced that global production has fallen for the first time since 2002 and that the imbalance between supply and demand is now upto around 5%. This is what makes prices high, that and the lack of capacity of extra production by virtually all oil producing nations, barring Saudi Arabia, who can chuck out loads of extra heavy crude very easily - but refining costs for that are higher and there is a shortage of facilities to do it on a scale that would match potential Saudi production.
2008-06-11 11:24:44
Lotta_Drool
Spit
+350|6606|Ireland

CameronPoe wrote:

Lotta_Drool wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

Backtracking because he knows an attack on Iran would fuck the US economy, and the global economy, in the ass.
The US military presence ( is it really a war in Iraq, come on ) in the middle east has done nothing but secure and sabilize the price of oil and has mostly benefitted Europe because they get much more oil from the Middle East than the US (percent wise).

If you disagree please explain your thought process to me, because last I knew the US liberated Kwait from Iraq, protected Saudi from an Iraqi invasion, and asked Israel not to wipe Iraq off the map when it started to lob missles at them.  Iran/Saudi Arabia/Syria on the other hand have all been sending weapons, soldiers, and supplies across their borders into Iraq to destroy the new Iraqi government that was established after the same leader that started destablizing the region by invading neighbors was removed from power because he refused to live up to the cease fire agreements established after the US liberated Kwait.

Near as I can tell the US has been fighting all of this since 1991, securing the region, and the shipping lanes out of the gulf.  How this drives up the price of Oil I'll never know.  Perhaps the US should take Europes approach and just arm the most militant regimes so they are strong and then make big Oil deals with them.
What do you think Iran is going to do when it gets attacked? Start pumping more oil? Every nation competes with each other in the free market for oil. It's a global market for a commodity. You get oil from Venezuela. If we offer more money for the oil they'll supply us instead. The strength of our currency as against yours will fuck you in the ass. Ultimately everyone will get fucked anyway as the price will rise globally. Don't you understand GLOBAL markets for commodities or something?

lol at your nonsense. 'Arming militant regimes'. Isn't that America's speciality? Saudi Arabian arms deals? Arming local militias for 'policing' purposes? Your government is haemorrhaging money with your military campaigns thousands of miles from home. Enjoy the impact on your economy.
France and Russia are the big ones.  Who built all the bunkers under Bagdad to protect Sadam, who makes scud missles, T72 tanks, AK47s, and Mig Jets?  Who had the big exclusive oil deals with Sadam and the contracts for drilling oil?

Why don't you get your facts straight before you point your finger.  You know nothing.
2008-06-11 11:25:03
Bertster7
Confused Pothead
+1,101|7004|SE London

Lotta_Drool wrote:

So Oil would be less if Sadam was in power.
Yes. Oil production under Saddam was higher than it currently is and it has been very, very low for a long time. It is now beginning to stabilise again, but global reserves have taken a big hit due to the sustained lack of production from Iraq.
2008-06-11 11:31:24
Lotta_Drool
Spit
+350|6606|Ireland

Bertster7 wrote:

Lotta_Drool wrote:

So Oil would be less if Sadam was in power.
Yes. Oil production under Saddam was higher than it currently is and it has been very, very low for a long time. It is now beginning to stabilise again, but global reserves have taken a big hit due to the sustained lack of production from Iraq.
Was that while he was invading Kuwait and preparing to invade Saudi Arabia?  How was their oil production?

How would Iraq's oil production be if Israel wiped it off the map when they shot Scud missiles at them?

You are very 1 dimensional.
2008-06-11 11:48:39
Lotta_Drool
Spit
+350|6606|Ireland

Bertster7 wrote:

Lotta_Drool wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

Backtracking because he knows an attack on Iran would fuck the US economy, and the global economy, in the ass.
The US military presence ( is it really a war in Iraq, come on ) in the middle east has done nothing but secure and sabilize the price of oil and has mostly benefitted Europe because they get much more oil from the Middle East than the US (percent wise).
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

Stabilised the price of oil?

Why the hell should it make any difference who gets their oil from where?  Oil has a fixed global price per barrel. It doesn't matter who you buy it from. What matters are the levels of demand and production. The levels of production in Iraq dropped massively for a very long time and are almost up to pre-war levels. How does decreasing oil production in Iraq help anyone?
Cost of shipping, quality of oil, and foriegn relations all matter in where you get your oil from.  Why do you think that the US both imports and exports oil?

And you don't think that if Sadam started wars with his OIL PRODUCING neighbors that it may have destabilized oil prices/production.  What would OPEC look like if Sadam had Saudi, Kuwait, and Iran?  How much terrorism and tribal warfare would be going on now.

It takes a small minded person to think that their would be any semblance of peace in the middle east without external influences.

Bertster7 wrote:

BP have announced that global production has fallen for the first time since 2002 and that the imbalance between supply and demand is now upto around 5%. This is what makes prices high, that and the lack of capacity of extra production by virtually all oil producing nations, barring Saudi Arabia, who can chuck out loads of extra heavy crude very easily - but refining costs for that are higher and there is a shortage of facilities to do it on a scale that would match potential Saudi production.
Demand for oil is higher, this has driven up the price.  You may have hear that there is a shortage, well there is and it will only get worst.  I don't know why it is so hard for you to grasp the concept that if all the countries in the Middle East were at war that the price of Oil would go up.
2008-06-11 12:03:10
Bertster7
Confused Pothead
+1,101|7004|SE London

Lotta_Drool wrote:

Bertster7 wrote:

Lotta_Drool wrote:

So Oil would be less if Sadam was in power.
Yes. Oil production under Saddam was higher than it currently is and it has been very, very low for a long time. It is now beginning to stabilise again, but global reserves have taken a big hit due to the sustained lack of production from Iraq.
Was that while he was invading Kuwait and preparing to invade Saudi Arabia?  How was their oil production?

How would Iraq's oil production be if Israel wiped it off the map when they shot Scud missiles at them?

You are very 1 dimensional.
They wouldn't be at war. Saddam was no threat to anyone. Saudi Arabia and Israel are both very capable of looking after themselves.

Where are you getting this absurd notion that Saddam was about to invade everyone around him, when his armies were far smaller and worse equipped? There is not a shred of evidence to support this bizarre assertion. The very idea that Saddam would even have attempted to attack Saudi Arabia or Israel is ridiculous.

Lotta_Drool wrote:

Cost of shipping, quality of oil, and foriegn relations all matter in where you get your oil from.  Why do you think that the US both imports and exports oil?
It's a lot to do with refinement capacity too. But it doesn't matter in the slightest who is getting their oil from where, because global prices are the same. You just get it from wherever is most convenient. Dips in global production have an effect on the global oil price, which changes the costs equally for everyone (based on equal importation levels). So your point about it benefiting the EU more than the US makes no sense.
2008-06-11 12:10:42
Lotta_Drool
Spit
+350|6606|Ireland
Lol.
2008-06-11 12:13:33
CoronadoSEAL
pics or it didn't happen
+207|6940|USA

Kmarion wrote:

CoronadoSEAL wrote:

SealXo wrote:

Wanna pay more? vote obama for change

change in gas prices....
http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?id=102843
'cause that'll work...

"and the sheep chant, 'obahahahahahhama'"
Not a real point considering both Obama and McCain are looking to hit the oil companies with penalties.
wat
...but we only get the "change" with Obahahama, you see...
2008-06-11 12:19:30
Lotta_Drool
Spit
+350|6606|Ireland

CoronadoSEAL wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

CoronadoSEAL wrote:


http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?id=102843
'cause that'll work...

"and the sheep chant, 'obahahahahahhama'"
Not a real point considering both Obama and McCain are looking to hit the oil companies with penalties.
wat
...but we only get the "change" with Obahahama, you see...
I think you mean Sadamalama, he isn't Irish.
2008-06-11 16:53:50
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|7023|132 and Bush

Lotta_Drool wrote:

I think you mean Sadamalama, he isn't Irish.
I should probably tell you my name is Kerry. It's a fluke though.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
2008-06-12 07:53:01
ZombieVampire!
The Gecko
+69|6250

God Save the Queen wrote:

ZombieVampire! wrote:

Your fuel is half the price of ours.  D'you hear me bitching?
when a society gets used to paying a certain amount of money for a certain product or service, and the price of that product or service is going higher and higher with no end in sight while wages remain the same, well, I dont think it takes a rocket scientist to figure out why people are getting upset. 


I hate hearing that argument.  You guys are bitching about not bitching, thats hilarious.
No, I'm  bitching about you bitching.  And I'm sick of seeing it on the news too.  There are starving kids in Africa, and people are bitching that they can only go on two holidays a year and their kids have to walk to school.  Dickheads.

 

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