Stingray24
Proud member of the vast right-wing conspiracy
+1,060|6867|The Land of Scott Walker
Good idea?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25123570

On a Monday morning last month, highway patrol officers visited 20 classrooms at El Camino High School to announce some horrible news: Several students had been killed in car wrecks over the weekend.

Classmates wept. Some became hysterical.

A few hours and many tears later, though, the pain turned to fury when the teenagers learned that it was all a hoax — a scared-straight exercise designed by school officials to dramatize the consequences of drinking and driving.

As seniors prepare for graduation parties Friday, school officials in the largely prosperous San Diego suburb are defending themselves against allegations they went too far.  At school assemblies, some students held up posters that read: "Death is real. Don't play with our emotions."

Michelle de Gracia, 16, was in physics class when an officer announced that her missing classmate David, a popular basketball player, had died instantly after being rear-ended by a drunken driver. She said she felt nauseated but was too stunned to cry.

"They got the shock they wanted," she said.

Some of her classmates became extremely upset, prompting the teacher to tell them immediately it was all staged.

"People started yelling at the teacher," she said. "It was pretty hectic."

Others, including many who heard the news of the 26 deaths between classes, were left in the dark until the missing students reappeared hours later.

"You feel betrayed by your teachers and administrators, these people you trust," said 15-year-old Carolyn Magos. "But then I felt selfish for feeling that way, because, I mean, if it saves one life, it's worth it."

Officials at the 3,100-student school officials defended the program.

"They were traumatized, but we wanted them to be traumatized," said guidance counselor Lori Tauber, who helped organize the shocking exercise and got dozens of students to participate. "That's how they get the message."

The plan was to tell the truth to the students at an assembly later in the day. But word that it was all a hoax began to spread before the gathering. Tauber said some counselors and administrators revealed the truth to calm some students who had become upset.

Oceanside Schools Superintendent Larry Perondi said he fielded only a few calls from parents, while the PTA chapter said it had not heard any complaints. Perondi said the program would be revised, but he would not say how. And he said he was glad that students seemed to have gotten the message.

"We did this in earnest," he said. "This was not done to be a prankster."
LT.Victim
Member
+1,175|6985|British Columbia, Canada
- "if it saves one life, it's worth it."

Pretty much sums it up...
Surgeons
U shud proabbly f off u fat prik
+3,097|6912|Gogledd Cymru

Heads should roll.
(T)eflon(S)hadow
R.I.P. Neda
+456|7251|Grapevine, TX
They got the message. It worked. Emotions suck sometimes, especially the hard to deal with ones, like the loss of a loved one. I say mission accompolished. Kids learned how to deal with being punked and cope with a real like loss. Hopefully a few more wont try to be a superman and drive intoxicated.
unnamednewbie13
Moderator
+2,072|7194|PNW

Boy who cried wolf...

The school set an inappropriate example. Next time it happens for real, nobody's going to believe their lying sensationalist asses. What were they thinking?

Last edited by unnamednewbie13 (2008-06-12 16:30:58)

oug
Calmer than you are.
+380|6941|Πάϊ

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

Boy who cried wolf...

The school set an inappropriate example. Next time it happens for real, nobody's going to believe their lying sensationalist asses. What were they thinking?
qft
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(T)eflon(S)hadow
R.I.P. Neda
+456|7251|Grapevine, TX

oug wrote:

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

Boy who cried wolf...

The school set an inappropriate example. Next time it happens for real, nobody's going to believe their lying sensationalist asses. What were they thinking?
qft
The moral of that story? Do not not lie.

Arguably you could debate the same of this story, but that's not the topic here. However, this is about reality in America. Drunk drivers kill tens of thousands of innocent Americans every year. The statistics don't lie. If your feeling froggy look it up, especially between 16-24 year old drivers...

When I was in boot camp (1997, post USS Cole incident) we had finished practicing at the rifle range one day. We got the shit scared out of us by a Drill Instructor describing a scenario, leading us to believe that we were heading out to the Fleet and in to War. It's all about perspective. The kids that learned a emotional lesson that day in school, wont have to repeat the lesson the hard way.

Grow some balls kids, it just might save your life. /srs
Volatile
Member
+252|7126|Sextupling in Empire

Lmao.

Next time some of those kids think about doing something reckless, hopefully their brains will access the memory of how they felt on this day, with a imaginable feeling of loss and sadness.

GJ to whoever thought of this.
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6827|North Carolina
I'd say this only teaches kids how much people can be manipulated by emotions.
SEREMAKER
BABYMAKIN EXPERT √
+2,187|6990|Mountains of NC

some ----- scratch that MOST need to learn that this is real life



toughen the fuck up ............ " I'm mad at the school bc they made me cry and think that my best friend died in a wreck "

suck it the fuck up, know that the harsh reality of death just slapped you in the face you'll probably never take a sip of alchol and drive .... but know that you're pissed at the school, you're going to get drunk just so you can say to all your little friends " If that cop was in my face I would've knock the shit out of him .... who the fuck does he think he is talkin that shit to me .... I'll kick his ass " and then go drive
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Ender2309
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they do something similar at my school, called every 15 minutes. everybody knows its fake, but it gets the point across pretty well. i like this way better because its a surprise, so it actually has the intended effects.
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6827|North Carolina

SEREMAKER wrote:

some ----- scratch that MOST need to learn that this is real life



toughen the fuck up ............ " I'm mad at the school bc they made me cry and think that my best friend died in a wreck "

suck it the fuck up, know that the harsh reality of death just slapped you in the face you'll probably never take a sip of alchol and drive .... but know that you're pissed at the school, you're going to get drunk just so you can say to all your little friends " If that cop was in my face I would've knock the shit out of him .... who the fuck does he think he is talkin that shit to me .... I'll kick his ass " and then go drive
Toughening up is a good thing, but wouldn't you also agree that this stunt only proves how immature these so-called authority figures are as well?  They seem to be treating their positions of power like they're in an episode of Punk'd.

Last edited by Turquoise (2008-06-12 17:03:28)

i g
Banned
+876|6286|GA

i got a dui when i was 19 and learned my fucking lesson. drinking and driving is one of the stupidest things one can do. i don't see anything wrong with what was done in stingray's post. the only way to really learn something is through experience, and now those kids know what it would feel like if it really did happen.
Flaming_Maniac
prince of insufficient light
+2,490|7129|67.222.138.85

(T)eflon(S)hadow wrote:

Grow some balls kids, it just might save your life. /srs

SEREMAKER wrote:

toughen the fuck up ............ " I'm mad at the school bc they made me cry and think that my best friend died in a wreck "
Seriously...those kids need to get over it. If the worst problem you have in life is thinking your best friend is dead for a grand total of six hours, you've got it pretty good.

Such a minor price to pay is worth it for any results at all, most certainly worth it.
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6827|North Carolina

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

(T)eflon(S)hadow wrote:

Grow some balls kids, it just might save your life. /srs

SEREMAKER wrote:

toughen the fuck up ............ " I'm mad at the school bc they made me cry and think that my best friend died in a wreck "
Seriously...those kids need to get over it. If the worst problem you have in life is thinking your best friend is dead for a grand total of six hours, you've got it pretty good.

Such a minor price to pay is worth it for any results at all, most certainly worth it.
I'd argue the only results will basically involve a distrust of authority among a good portion of students who previously had some respect for the law.
SEREMAKER
BABYMAKIN EXPERT √
+2,187|6990|Mountains of NC

Turquoise wrote:

SEREMAKER wrote:

some ----- scratch that MOST need to learn that this is real life



toughen the fuck up ............ " I'm mad at the school bc they made me cry and think that my best friend died in a wreck "

suck it the fuck up, know that the harsh reality of death just slapped you in the face you'll probably never take a sip of alchol and drive .... but know that you're pissed at the school, you're going to get drunk just so you can say to all your little friends " If that cop was in my face I would've knock the shit out of him .... who the fuck does he think he is talkin that shit to me .... I'll kick his ass " and then go drive
Toughening up is a good thing, but wouldn't you also agree that this stunt only proves how immature these so-called authority figures are as well?  They seem to be treating their positions of power like they're in an episode of Punk'd.
if they only did the stunt by verbaly telling students while the students sat in class then yes the stunt could have been better thought out

example .. setting up a sceaniro { secretly } outside on the parking lot where students could a full sensery overload



edit* but I'm one for shock treatment

Last edited by SEREMAKER (2008-06-12 17:11:18)

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Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6827|North Carolina

SEREMAKER wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

SEREMAKER wrote:

some ----- scratch that MOST need to learn that this is real life



toughen the fuck up ............ " I'm mad at the school bc they made me cry and think that my best friend died in a wreck "

suck it the fuck up, know that the harsh reality of death just slapped you in the face you'll probably never take a sip of alchol and drive .... but know that you're pissed at the school, you're going to get drunk just so you can say to all your little friends " If that cop was in my face I would've knock the shit out of him .... who the fuck does he think he is talkin that shit to me .... I'll kick his ass " and then go drive
Toughening up is a good thing, but wouldn't you also agree that this stunt only proves how immature these so-called authority figures are as well?  They seem to be treating their positions of power like they're in an episode of Punk'd.
if they only did the stunt by verbaly telling students while the students sat in class then yes the stunt could have been better thought out

example .. setting up a sceaniro { secretly } outside on the parking lot where students could a full sensery overload
The scared straight idea works far better when it involves truth, not deceit.  Taking kids to visit a jail, for example, is usually far more effective.

Tricking students into thinking some of their friends have died will be rightfully seen as both foolish and overtly paternalistic by the more intelligent students.
Flaming_Maniac
prince of insufficient light
+2,490|7129|67.222.138.85

Turquoise wrote:

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

(T)eflon(S)hadow wrote:

Grow some balls kids, it just might save your life. /srs

SEREMAKER wrote:

toughen the fuck up ............ " I'm mad at the school bc they made me cry and think that my best friend died in a wreck "
Seriously...those kids need to get over it. If the worst problem you have in life is thinking your best friend is dead for a grand total of six hours, you've got it pretty good.

Such a minor price to pay is worth it for any results at all, most certainly worth it.
I'd argue the only results will basically involve a distrust of authority among a good portion of students who previously had some respect for the law.
First of all, your idea is seriously split. Authority != Law.

Questioning of authority isn't a bad thing at all, if it taught these kids something about trust of power that's a a good thing. If their complete trust of the faculty had to be spent on anything, I would say this is a good thing to spend it on.

This has absolutely nothing to do with the law. Lying isn't against the law, and anyone who says this incident made them lose respect for the law is either full of hot air or using it as an excuse.

edit:

Turquoise wrote:

Tricking students into thinking some of their friends have died will be rightfully seen as both foolish and overtly paternalistic by the more intelligent students.
Intelligent students wouldn't have been tricked in the first place. 26 students killed, obviously in multiple accidents on the same day? Right around prom time, when practically every reasonably sized school is holding similar practices? It's not that hard to see through.
THE_EYE
Banned
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Flaming_Maniac wrote:

Lying isn't against the law
Tell that to Barry Bonds and Roger Clemens
Flaming_Maniac
prince of insufficient light
+2,490|7129|67.222.138.85

THE_EYE wrote:

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

Lying isn't against the law
Tell that to Barry Bonds and Roger Clemens
lying under oath is against the law
SEREMAKER
BABYMAKIN EXPERT √
+2,187|6990|Mountains of NC

Turquoise wrote:

SEREMAKER wrote:

Turquoise wrote:


Toughening up is a good thing, but wouldn't you also agree that this stunt only proves how immature these so-called authority figures are as well?  They seem to be treating their positions of power like they're in an episode of Punk'd.
if they only did the stunt by verbaly telling students while the students sat in class then yes the stunt could have been better thought out

example .. setting up a sceaniro { secretly } outside on the parking lot where students could a full sensery overload
The scared straight idea works far better when it involves truth, not deceit.  Taking kids to visit a jail, for example, is usually far more effective.

Tricking students into thinking some of their friends have died will be rightfully seen as both foolish and overtly paternalistic by the more intelligent students.
I guess I should have given better details, I'm not saying take one of the students and stick him in a car and fake a death

take a young cop or EMT in plains clothes with 2 cars all ready wrecked and place them like that just gotten into the accident and then showcase everything that EMT, police and FD do when they hit the scene .... then possible bring out a woman as a " mother " and show her emotions as she watches her " son " get placed into an ambulance
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THE_EYE
Banned
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SEREMAKER wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

SEREMAKER wrote:


if they only did the stunt by verbaly telling students while the students sat in class then yes the stunt could have been better thought out

example .. setting up a sceaniro { secretly } outside on the parking lot where students could a full sensery overload
The scared straight idea works far better when it involves truth, not deceit.  Taking kids to visit a jail, for example, is usually far more effective.

Tricking students into thinking some of their friends have died will be rightfully seen as both foolish and overtly paternalistic by the more intelligent students.
I guess I should have given better details, I'm not saying take one of the students and stick him in a car and fake a death

take a young cop or EMT in plains clothes with 2 cars all ready wrecked and place them like that just gotten into the accident and then showcase everything that EMT, police and FD do when they hit the scene .... then possible bring out a woman as a " mother " and show her emotions as she watches her " son " get placed into an ambulance
Waste of tax payers dollars tbh
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6827|North Carolina

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

First of all, your idea is seriously split. Authority != Law.

Questioning of authority isn't a bad thing at all, if it taught these kids something about trust of power that's a a good thing. If their complete trust of the faculty had to be spent on anything, I would say this is a good thing to spend it on.
If the goal of this is to get students to distrust authority, then you are correct.  Somehow, I don't think that was their intention.

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

This has absolutely nothing to do with the law. Lying isn't against the law, and anyone who says this incident made them lose respect for the law is either full of hot air or using it as an excuse.
Law is both enforced and created by authority, so in order for laws to be worth following, authority must be respectable.

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

Intelligent students wouldn't have been tricked in the first place. 26 students killed, obviously in multiple accidents on the same day? Right around prom time, when practically every reasonably sized school is holding similar practices? It's not that hard to see through.
So, essentially, what you're saying is that this was an excellent way to scare the dumb kids and annoy or maybe amuse the smart ones.

I guess if you're into scaring kids and amusing others, this little event made sense.  I'm not really into that though.
Flaming_Maniac
prince of insufficient light
+2,490|7129|67.222.138.85

Turquoise wrote:

If the goal of this is to get students to distrust authority, then you are correct.  Somehow, I don't think that was their intention.
A fortunate side effect.

Turquoise wrote:

Law is both enforced and created by authority, so in order for laws to be worth following, authority must be respectable.
Law is created by the majority and enforced by authority. Authority can be corrupt and the law remain intact.

Turquoise wrote:

So, essentially, what you're saying is that this was an excellent way to scare the dumb kids and annoy or maybe amuse the smart ones.

I guess if you're into scaring kids and amusing others, this little event made sense.  I'm not really into that though.
I am in to that kind of stuff. If you're dumb enough to fall for such an outlandish situation so hard you're crying...I'll be the first to laugh.
Reciprocity
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a half hour of being emotionally distressed.  Poor little bastards.  If it saves one of their lives, great, if it saves the life of some other person, even better.

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