108 and counting! I honestly thought the sheep would return a resounding Yes vote (by sheep I mean the people who vote Yes just because the Politicians said they had to and did not actually read the treaty information) but we could have a battle on our hands.oug wrote:
108 morons so far then?
Last edited by CameronPoe (2008-06-13 05:57:54)
I'm off to the local in an hour, I'll get a proverbial pint for you guys then.CameronPoe wrote:
I think the people of Europe who were never given the option to exercise their democratic right on this owe us a pint.
France and the Netherlands voted no to a previous incarnation of the same treaty and their Governments went ahead and accepted the 'amended' version of the treaty anyway, without a referendum...democracy!?ghettoperson wrote:
<3 the Irish. So, how long till they rephrase a few things and try to get us to accept it again? BTW did the rest of Europe actually get to vote on it? Because I never heard anything about it until Ireland were the last ones to be able to stop it.
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That was the lesbian treaty, this is the Lisbon treaty. The Lisbon treaty was a proposed amendment to the EU constitution, and hence the constitutions of the member states, put to referendum amongst the Irish people as we the Irish people can only amend our own constitution by referendum. Most other countries ratified the treaty, which requires the acceptance of all 27 member states, at parliamentary level. Our no vote today pretty much puts the tin hat on what was potentially the blueprint for a militarily and economically unified 'United States of Europe'.Lotta_Drool wrote:
WTF is a Lisbon Referendum, does it have anything to do with girl on girl action like the name implies?
Well the emphasis on military development and spending was one of the main arguments against a Yes vote. One would imagine the high numbers of Irish in America would secure some sort of assistance in the face of any kind of attack or invasion but I don't think we're on anyone's shitlist at the moment anyway.Lotta_Drool wrote:
Why would the Irish want to downgrade their existance (and take on the debt) by being part of a European Military? Ireland is a peaceful Island with no need for a military, if Ireland was ever fucked with the US would instantly go ape shit and fight by its side.
Well, unless it was England that invaded because they are way cooler than the Irish will ever be.
Hell, potatoes, lucky charms, and Guinness make up 70% of my diet. I think Ireland is pretty safe in this world.Braddock wrote:
Well the emphasis on military development and spending was one of the main arguments against a Yes vote. One would imagine the high numbers of Irish in America would secure some sort of assistance in the face of any kind of attack or invasion but I don't think we're on anyone's shitlist at the moment anyway.Lotta_Drool wrote:
Why would the Irish want to downgrade their existance (and take on the debt) by being part of a European Military? Ireland is a peaceful Island with no need for a military, if Ireland was ever fucked with the US would instantly go ape shit and fight by its side.
Well, unless it was England that invaded because they are way cooler than the Irish will ever be.
I wonder if the Amero and North American union will go the same way? Should be easier with only 3 countries in it. The Mexicans will jump at the chance.Kmarion wrote:
The rejection stops the EU from implementing its new constitution and forces the union to reconsider whether it can pass any expansion of the multinational government in a way that achieves unanimity. It would seem that the history of the various peoples of Europe would argue against the abandonment of national sovereignty towards which the EU process is clearly heading. The Balkans have moved in the opposite direction over the last twenty years, as have the Czechs and Slovaks. People want self-determination, not excessively bloated bureaucracies even farther out of their control. The EU experiment as federal government seems destined for failure.
Good.