BF2S Forums Humm, Iran still on the run... not going to stop, yet.

DBBrinson1 wrote:

Hey I was merely pointing out that you insinuated that [the threat of or] nuking a megalomaniac is the only way to bend/break them.  And actually Iran is all ready in a proxy war with the US.

Is Iran in a proxy war with the US or is the US in a proxy war with Iran? Who's closer to their homeland? The threat of nukage is all that is required. Actually pre-emptively using the nuke in this day and age pretty much consigns you to the annals of history alongside the likes of Mao, Stalin and Hitler.

CameronPoe wrote:

DBBrinson1 wrote:

Hey I was merely pointing out that you insinuated that [the threat of or] nuking a megalomaniac is the only way to bend/break them.  And actually Iran is all ready in a proxy war with the US.

Is Iran in a proxy war with the US or is the US in a proxy war with Iran? Who's closer to their homeland? The threat of nukage is all that is required. Actually pre-emptively using the nuke in this day and age pretty much consigns you to the annals of history alongside the likes of Mao, Stalin and Hitler.

1/5 of the world's population thinks Mao is a hero.  At least all the chinese students that come here for a few years and go back to china think so.

but isnt he considered a national hero in the PRC?

CameronPoe wrote:

Is Iran in a proxy war with the US or is the US in a proxy war with Iran? Who's closer to their homeland? The threat of nukage is all that is required.

I'd argue that Iran is the instigator here.  We aren't supplying arms to the Iraquis to fight the Iranians, however the Iranians are supplying the insurgents.

CameronPoe wrote:

Actually pre-emptively using the nuke in this day and age pretty much consigns you to the annals of history alongside the likes of Mao, Stalin and Hitler.

Or the USA who defeated Japan in WWII.

@GS 6 rich men... Yea, I'd go along with that -but I think more than 6 get rich.  Look at that boob in south FL selling rotten ammo to the military... How the hell did that jackass win that contract?

CameronPoe wrote:

God Save the Queen wrote:

but isnt he considered a national hero in the PRC?

An 80 year old man who gave me a rickshaw ride around the forbidden city regaled me with a story about how his father disappeared when he was a kid only to later find out he had been 'purged'. Mao's myth is exactly that: a myth. Most young Chinese people have been taught a completely fictional rewriting of history.

To quote Mao himself: 'Half of China may well have to die'.

OMG, did you take a ride in a rickshaw pulled by an 80 years old guy?  What happened to "Thou shalt respect your elders"?

sergeriver wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

God Save the Queen wrote:

but isnt he considered a national hero in the PRC?

An 80 year old man who gave me a rickshaw ride around the forbidden city regaled me with a story about how his father disappeared when he was a kid only to later find out he had been 'purged'. Mao's myth is exactly that: a myth. Most young Chinese people have been taught a completely fictional rewriting of history.

To quote Mao himself: 'Half of China may well have to die'.

OMG, did you take a ride in a rickshaw pulled by an 80 years old guy?  What happened to "Thou shalt respect your elders"?

Hey man - when in Rome. I tipped him handsomely I might add.

God Save the Queen wrote:

DBBrinson1 wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

Is Iran in a proxy war with the US or is the US in a proxy war with Iran? Who's closer to their homeland? The threat of nukage is all that is required.

I'd argue that Iran is the instigator here.  We aren't supplying arms to the Iraquis to fight the Iranians, however the Iranians are supplying the insurgents.

CameronPoe wrote:

Actually pre-emptively using the nuke in this day and age pretty much consigns you to the annals of history alongside the likes of Mao, Stalin and Hitler.

Or the USA who defeated Japan in WWII.

@GS 6 rich men... Yea, I'd go along with that -but I think more than 6 get rich.  Look at that boob in south FL selling rotten ammo to the military... How the hell did that jackass win that contract?

6 rich men was an exaggeration.




Bradley is worth 4.5 million last time I was told.  right?

Bradley gives out in the middle of a patrol, on a very dangerous part of MSR tampa.  WTF.

get towed back in, mechanics tell us that all refurbished bradleys have faulty generators.  its a common problem and they have a warehouses full of the right generators for replacements because this has happened too often.


I find out through the civilian contractor assigned to our unit that the generators were made by federal inmates in a penitentiary in alabama.  get where Im going with this?

The Bradley may cost about 4.5 million, but that is not what it is worth.  Although I honestly think the Bradley should have just replaced the M1 tanks.  The M1 is worthless on todays battlefield and costs way too much to operate.

DBBrinson1 wrote:

God Save the Queen wrote:

6 rich men was an exaggeration.

Bradley is worth 4.5 million last time I was told.  right?

Bradley gives out in the middle of a patrol, on a very dangerous part of MSR tampa.  WTF.

get towed back in, mechanics tell us that all refurbished bradleys have faulty generators.  its a common problem and they have a warehouses full of the right generators for replacements because this has happened too often.


I find out through the civilian contractor assigned to our unit that the generators were made by federal inmates in a penitentiary in alabama.  get where Im going with this?

I see where you are going... Side note.  Why the hell weren't they refitted before so as to avoid a potentially catastrophic end to a mission?  Hesues Cristo... After that 'incident' I bet you were just thrilled to take a Bradley anywhere.

I love the brad.   


The brad with the generator going out was a replacement.  It sat at the motor pool in kuwait for who knows how long, everything gutted and replaced.

my battalion was fitted with brand new M2A3 IFV's 5 months prior to deployment.  My track was the first track in my company blown up by an IED, it happened about 3 weeks after we got there.  We waited for a month before they sent the "new" track from kuwait.  It was an M2A1, 3 versions and 20 years older than the one that got blown up on me.  it was a small IED too, it hit the right front side of the track. But it warped the hull enough that it was combat inop and deadlined for good.  spit knows what Im talking about.  The refurbished tracks are the ones with the generators from federal prisons.

Pubic wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

Why should they bother? They saw what happened to Iraq - nukes are pretty much their only safe haven. I say gg Iran. Nobody sanctions Israel for their nuclear arsenal or 31 year breach of UN resolution 242 so I say 'GG Iran, get those nukes before it's too late'.

Israel hasn't sign the NPT and thus has not agreed to abandon nukes - there is no double standard.

Granted, it hasn't been proven that Iran wants/is pursuing nukes, but Iran is certainly trying to make certain people/countries think that this is the case.  One has to ask the question, why is Iran doing this?

Having had their democracy overthrown and replaced by a brutal dictator, after they overthrew the dictator, an attempt was made to overthrow their country again and put a dictatorship back in power, had a westarn supported war of agression from Iraq in which Iraq used chemical weapons and about a million Iranians lost their lives, they're probably fairly sick to death of the west dicking about with their country. If they believe a nuke can deter western agression against Iran then I'm sure getting one has crossed a few minds in Iran. As far as agressive use of a nuke goes, unless you believe that Iran is literally run by a psychotic suicidal madman, ther's little to worry about. As far as giving one to terrorists goes, it would result in the biggest most thorough world wide criminal investigation ever undertaken. The culprits would be almost certainly found and the result would be no more Iran.

Well im not condoning Irans nuclear program or anything.... but after Iraq if i was Iran i might want nukes to.... because whether Iran has nukes or not America and their bitches (Australia and Britan etc) will say "They Gotz Teh WMD's lets Get 'em" and everyones like "mmm k soundz coolies"

really i dont see Iran using them even if they got them... the only thing firing a nuke will accomplish is complete and utter destruction of their entire country.

If I was an Iranian citizen with the worlds larges military super power sitting on my doorstep saber rattling after using fabricated evidence to justify an invasion of my neighbour to steel their oil then I would be demanding that my government develops nukes.

Also. Who the fuck is anyone to tell a country that they cannot develop nuclear power. Especially countries who have already have it. Oil is going to run out and future generations of Iranians require a power source.

What is the alternative. Huge power cables running from the USA selling nuclear power generated electricity to all the countries who weren't allowed to develop their own?

Last edited by JahManRed (2008-06-17 05:14:47)

M.O.A.B wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

God Save the Queen wrote:

1/5 of the world's population thinks Mao is a hero.  At least all the chinese students that come here for a few years and go back to china think so.

Mao is a despicable cunt responsible for the deaths of circa 70 million people.

That's not what bubs thinks I might add, but that was a different thread.

I don't think Iran's nuclear threat is so much firing a missile topped with a warhead, that would be too obvious as to who launched it etc. If you want to hit a target and also avoid suspicion you'd probably use one of these, only make it look a little, cruder.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suitcase_nuke

Easily mobile device that could be constructed by a small militia or terrorist group providing they have the materials and the know-how. But Iran's persistently tries to stop people investigating their reactors which could raise questions because if you don't have enough detail about the reactor, and aren't able to document the type of material its producing, you wouldn't be able to match up the material from an explosion to an index later and thus relate Iran to the weapon.

Iran knows that even a unconventional nuke would be traced back to them. The only difference between using an unconventional nuke and using a direct one is that the retaliation will probably be a few days (hours) slower if you use a suitcase nuke, that's about it. When it comes to nukes, it's not the same as supplying insurgents/terrorists with explosives for IED's.... otherwise the US and USSR would've done it ages ago.