BF2S Forums The Immigration Problem in the U.S.

We need immigrants almost as bad as we need the federal government to do it's job and enforce the law.
I should be able to call into a center and put in a request for a legal, taxed worker. I should be able to help the best of these guys get naturalized. I should be able to put derogatry makes on the records of bad ones.

There needs to be a way to control the flow of immigrants to make it reflect the need for workers.

Individual savings accounts should be created for guest workers unlike now where they present a bogus SS number and the government accepts the with holdings on their wages without ever giving a refund.

The federal government is no different than the people who run sweat shops the way the system is now.

some ways to improve the illegal immigration situation

1)  recognize that we have a problem - i don't think people in washington realize that this is a real issue.
2)  mobilize the national guard to patrol the border.  we could expand this to be a semi-civilian backed force where people aged 18-20 could donate a year or two of service guarding the border for college $$$.  the program would of course allow one to serve in peace corps and other alternative programs
3)  improve port security and monitoring of what is going in/out of the country.  right now the ports are woefully understaffed to deal with the sheer amount of shipping containers coming in.  who's to say one doesn't have some RPGs or worse on them - waiting for illegals who are already here that wish to do us harm
4)  revise the existing immigration procedure.  if this means expanding the # of caseworkers, so be it.  i don't think anyone here dislikes immigration - we just don't like illegal immigration.  the revisions should make special provisions for people with certain skillsets (doctors, scientists, etc to get to the front of the line).  people who are unskilled, have diseases, criminal records, should be reconsidered and possibly rejected.  we don't need those problems here.
5)  12 million illegals already here - should be forced to register with immigration.  we can compromise here so that they get special immediate action treatment rather than amnesty.  those with criminal records and without jobs, problem children, etc should be deported, otherwise, they have a path to citizenship.
6)  have a comprehensive and effective guest worker program for seasonal work

bottom line is we need to secure the borders, put in place a more streamlined process for immigration to reduce the wait time and get people registered so we know who is here and who should not be

lastly, why oh why are there so many people from mexico as illegal immigrants?  can we not do something about economic opportunity in mexico?  why are the emigrating in the first place?  if that govt wasn't so corrupt, perhaps this too would help solve the problem.  we do not see so many canadians streaming over the border - except for hockey game nights.

Last edited by CaptainSpaulding71 (2008-06-16 20:50:40)

Kmarion wrote:

Machine gun nest and flame throwers every couple hundred yards on the border should do it.

Couldn't that be considered spam?

I've always thought an electrocuted fence would do the trick, but I guess it would cost too much money to keep it running...

Immigrants hurt the US much more than they help it.  Something must be done.  Unfortunately, border security requires funding that we don't have right now.

How about making social secutiry number fraud impossible (how hard is it to create one central federal database of numbers), deporting illegals and fining guilty employers 10s of 1000s of $? It ain't rocket science.

How about making social secutiry number fraud impossible (how hard is it to create one central federal database of numbers), deporting illegals and fining guilty employers 10s of 1000s of $? It ain't rocket science.

Why doesn't the US simply do this?
Or are the corporations enjoying the downward effect on wages too much?

CameronPoe wrote:

How about making social secutiry number fraud impossible (how hard is it to create one central federal database of numbers), deporting illegals and fining guilty employers 10s of 1000s of $? It ain't rocket science.

there are efforts to do such things but the privacy rights groups are successful in defeating the measures.  national ID cards are seen as the devil incarnate.  i guess the idea is that with this number, anyone in govt could have access to a treasure trove of information about you from your criminal record to how much money you make, etc.  in the extreme, i can see this as a problem, but for day to day, i don't think this would be an issue.  we'd still have to be vigilant about identify theft.  it is a big problem over here.

a few years ago, the census people sent me a huge questionaire about all kinds of things like how much money i make, when i leave for work, etc.  they said these questions would be used to fund local programs to install traffic lights and infrastructure if it was found to be needed.  sounds great.  however, i saw these questions as invasive.  if they know when i leave for work, then if this info gets into the wrong hands, then they would know the best time to rob me - espeically if they know my income level also, etc.  so, i declined to provide this information.  They tried playing hardball with me and several times they sent forms and threatened fines, etc.  I refused to give them that information and only said there were x # of people living in the house.  then they phoned and came to my house - same story.  after a while they just gave up.  i do not believe they need to know anything more than how many people live in my house - info which i gladly gave them.

so, while i'm mildly for national ID which would help reduce illegals and possibly allow our law enforcement offices to work more effectively, i do still want my right to privacy.  some kind of compromise must exist.

We ought to do the amnesty thing and simplify citizenship as well.  However, we should also end the income tax and replace it with the Fair Tax, because currently, illegals dodge the income tax while employers of illegals also pay less in income tax as a result of illegal labor.

By ending the income tax and replacing it with the Fair Tax (a consumption tax), there is less incentive to hire people that aren't yet citizens.

the problem with amnesty is that we simply do not know who is here at this point.  illegal immigration scares me not because of Juan the lettuce picker.  it scares me because of Jamal the Jihadist that could have walked across the border with the rest of his cell.  unchecked immigration is a national security problem.

additionally, unchecked immigration overloads our existing social services.  i hear alot of talk about socialized medical care.  so when all these illegals show up and want care too - who foots the bill?  are these people actually contributing enough to make a dent in the payments for the services rendered?  no - you and i have to foot the bill since (presumably) we're middle class and earn more.  we all can go talking about the charity routine, but honestly, i want to use my hard earned money for my own family. 

lastly, when we have immigrants that refuse to integrate into society, they themselves form insular groups and act as divisive elements culturally.  face it, the US is a majority english speaking nation, yet there are many people who simply refuse to learn the language.  this complicates educators so now we have to have special teachers to teach primary education in hmong, thai, vietnamese, korean, spanish, etc.  the cultural heritage is held too tightly also.  America is a melting pot.  we are all in it together.  The irish and jews and italians of the late 1800s managed to integrate and some of them had different languages and cultures.  Why can't the hispanics or the arabs or the far easterners adapt?

From my other post about joe arpaio , http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?pi … 5#p2144005 ,anyways its a hell of a lot more that 10 billion.

Mr. Poe thinks he can solve our problem easily. I can as well, shoot on sight.

Here is another aspect.  http://www.kswt.com/Global/story.asp?S= … enu613_2_6

Border agents find booby trap in remote desert

Associated Press - June 17, 2008 5:24 PM ET

EL PASO, Texas (AP) - U.S. Border Patrol agents have found a booby trap of thin wires stretched along a patrol road in a remote stretch of southern New Mexico desert.

Speaking today, Border Patrol spokesman Doug Mosier says the improvised explosive device found Saturday could have killed or injured border patrol officers. He says it's the second such wire trap found at the U.S.-Mexico border this year.

Mosier says the trap consisted of 2 strands of thin wire pulled taut across the road and was spotted Saturday night by a local rancher. He says the quarter-inch wires were tied to a cattle fence along the border, strung across the road and affixed to a mesquite tree in a stretch of rugged desert about 100 miles west of El Paso.

One wire was about four feet off the ground and the second appeared to sit about a foot from the ground.

So, tell me again how illegals are just innocent people who want to come to the US to work?  How they are not really criminals?