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2008-06-18 06:28:02
HurricaИe
Banned
+877|6383|Washington DC
Does it piss anybody else off A LOT? I'm not complaining about the actual tax (although christ, I'm in Chicago right now and it's like 10% compared to 5% in DC... it certainly shows what a difference a higher tax makes though, but I digress). I'm complaining about how it's not calculated until after everything's scanned.

If I walk into a store with $1.25 for a soda that's advertised as $1.25, I shouldn't have to bring MORE than $1.25. I'm pretty sure that in Canada (or maybe it's the UK, can't remember) the tax is included in the price that's displayed. So that's $1.25 WITH tax... meaning you just bring $1.25 to the store.

Anyone else agree?
2008-06-18 06:28:48
jsnipy
...
+3,277|6945|...

i agree.
2008-06-18 06:30:48
ZombieVampire!
The Gecko
+69|6249
Yup.  That's how GST works in Australia (funnily enough, here it was a way to take tax away from the states, it sounds like it's the other way for you).
2008-06-18 06:32:42
Surgeons
U shud proabbly f off u fat prik
+3,097|6912|Gogledd Cymru

You are correct, over here (UK) VAT (17.5%) is included in the price unless otherwise stated.
2008-06-18 06:32:48
konfusion
mostly afk
+480|6972|CH/BR - in UK

See, my economics teacher was constantly telling me that the American system is so much better than the Swiss/English etc. (he was from Chicago). He says this presents more transparency. Well - I don't care much for transparency. I want to pay exactly what is advertised - or have them show the non-tax price smaller than the price you will be paying.

I hated the dollar store. I was given a dollar (when I was 7 or 8) to buy what I wanted, and I ended up leaving the store, not having bought anything, because the price was just over what I had. ><

-kon
2008-06-18 06:34:34
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7179|Argentina

HurricaИe wrote:

Does it piss anybody else off A LOT? I'm not complaining about the actual tax (although christ, I'm in Chicago right now and it's like 10% compared to 5% in DC... it certainly shows what a difference a higher tax makes though, but I digress). I'm complaining about how it's not calculated until after everything's scanned.

If I walk into a store with $1.25 for a soda that's advertised as $1.25, I shouldn't have to bring MORE than $1.25. I'm pretty sure that in Canada (or maybe it's the UK, can't remember) the tax is included in the price that's displayed. So that's $1.25 WITH tax... meaning you just bring $1.25 to the store.

Anyone else agree?
Here the tax is included in the price that is displayed, but it's 21%, so I wouldn't complain if they didn't include a 7 or 8% tax instead.

I think the VAT and/or the sales tax is an unfair tax coz everyone pays it, the poor and the rich.

Last edited by sergeriver (2008-06-18 06:37:13)

2008-06-18 06:39:19
DrunkFace
Germans did 911
+427|7103|Disaster Free Zone
By Law in Australia you must show the full price when advertising or on price tags ect. Some places will include the tax on the items but others don't bother. It is a much better system for the consumer because they know exactly what they are paying from the outset.
2008-06-18 06:40:26
HurricaИe
Banned
+877|6383|Washington DC

sergeriver wrote:

HurricaИe wrote:

Does it piss anybody else off A LOT? I'm not complaining about the actual tax (although christ, I'm in Chicago right now and it's like 10% compared to 5% in DC... it certainly shows what a difference a higher tax makes though, but I digress). I'm complaining about how it's not calculated until after everything's scanned.

If I walk into a store with $1.25 for a soda that's advertised as $1.25, I shouldn't have to bring MORE than $1.25. I'm pretty sure that in Canada (or maybe it's the UK, can't remember) the tax is included in the price that's displayed. So that's $1.25 WITH tax... meaning you just bring $1.25 to the store.

Anyone else agree?
Here the tax is included in the price that is displayed, but it's 21%, so I wouldn't complain if they didn't include a 7 or 8% tax instead.

I think the VAT and/or the sales tax is an unfair tax coz everyone pays it, the poor and the rich.
Yeah, but do you guys have a national healthcare system? I can imagine a huge increase in taxes here in the US if health goes nationalized.

And why can't they just include the 7% or 8% (as you put it) tax in our prices anyway? God I hate our system.

And konfusion what does he mean by transparency?
2008-06-18 06:41:35
ZombieVampire!
The Gecko
+69|6249

DrunkFace wrote:

By Law in Australia you must show the full price when advertising or on price tags ect. Some places will include the tax on the items but others don't bother. It is a much better system for the consumer because they know exactly what they are paying from the outset.
Or make note of the fact that it excludes GST.
2008-06-18 06:44:38
CameronPoe
Member
+2,925|6977
Major fucking ditto. It really cheeses me off whenever I'm in the states. Why on earth can't they just display the full fucking asking price?

Last edited by CameronPoe (2008-06-18 06:44:52)

2008-06-18 06:47:14
DrunkFace
Germans did 911
+427|7103|Disaster Free Zone
And what's with the whole mandatory Tip thing in the states?
2008-06-18 06:50:08
HurricaИe
Banned
+877|6383|Washington DC

DrunkFace wrote:

And what's with the whole mandatory Tip thing in the states?
It's not mandatory as far as I can tell, it's just customary. I think it's because (at least for the longest time) waiters got really shitty pay, so you'd give them a bit of cash so they could get a beer after work. It stuck around and became today's tip system.

Besides, it's only helpful when you're trying to get that cute waitress's number
2008-06-18 06:51:18
konfusion
mostly afk
+480|6972|CH/BR - in UK

DrunkFace wrote:

And what's with the whole mandatory Tip thing in the states?
The Swiss love it when Americans come over and don't read the "10% charged for service" on the menu - and tip the guys as well. We don't always include service - but in touristic locations...

-kon
2008-06-18 06:51:40
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7179|Argentina

HurricaИe wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

HurricaИe wrote:

Does it piss anybody else off A LOT? I'm not complaining about the actual tax (although christ, I'm in Chicago right now and it's like 10% compared to 5% in DC... it certainly shows what a difference a higher tax makes though, but I digress). I'm complaining about how it's not calculated until after everything's scanned.

If I walk into a store with $1.25 for a soda that's advertised as $1.25, I shouldn't have to bring MORE than $1.25. I'm pretty sure that in Canada (or maybe it's the UK, can't remember) the tax is included in the price that's displayed. So that's $1.25 WITH tax... meaning you just bring $1.25 to the store.

Anyone else agree?
Here the tax is included in the price that is displayed, but it's 21%, so I wouldn't complain if they didn't include a 7 or 8% tax instead.

I think the VAT and/or the sales tax is an unfair tax coz everyone pays it, the poor and the rich.
Yeah, but do you guys have a national healthcare system? I can imagine a huge increase in taxes here in the US if health goes nationalized.

And why can't they just include the 7% or 8% (as you put it) tax in our prices anyway? God I hate our system.

And konfusion what does he mean by transparency?
We do have a national healthcare system and if you don't want to use these public services, which are paid with our taxes, you can pay for a private healthcare system.
2008-06-18 06:52:44
konfusion
mostly afk
+480|6972|CH/BR - in UK

Missed that part directed at me:
Transparency ie you know how much you're paying in taxes.

-kon
2008-06-18 06:58:42
PureFodder
Member
+225|6708

HurricaИe wrote:

DrunkFace wrote:

And what's with the whole mandatory Tip thing in the states?
It's not mandatory as far as I can tell, it's just customary. I think it's because (at least for the longest time) waiters got really shitty pay, so you'd give them a bit of cash so they could get a beer after work. It stuck around and became today's tip system.

Besides, it's only helpful when you're trying to get that cute waitress's number
The one time in the US that I gave a shitty tip (last day of the holiday so we basically poured out all our remaining change and got what we could only leaving a couple of percent tip) the waitress got very confontational about it.

As far as sales taxes go, it's certainly a lot easier if the price on the item is the price you pay, but adding it on at the till does allow for smooth changes if the rate of sales tax changes, if that ever happens in the US.
2008-06-18 07:02:54
bugz
Fission Mailed
+3,311|6734

Tax in Canada is disgusting. 14% at the moment The prices are no hell to begin with either. I went on vacation in Myrtle Beach last year and a bottle of Bacardi Rum at Costco was $15. Here in Canada, it's roughly $52.
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2008-06-18 07:03:43
SenorToenails
Veritas et Scientia
+444|6552|North Tonawanda, NY

HurricaИe wrote:

DrunkFace wrote:

And what's with the whole mandatory Tip thing in the states?
It's not mandatory as far as I can tell, it's just customary. I think it's because (at least for the longest time) waiters got really shitty pay, so you'd give them a bit of cash so they could get a beer after work. It stuck around and became today's tip system.

Besides, it's only helpful when you're trying to get that cute waitress's number
Tipped labor is still only paid $2.13/hour.  Tips make up the difference between that and the state/federal minimum.  States can increase that, but tipped labor is almost always less than non-tipped labor for hourly wages.
2008-06-18 07:06:35
DrunkFace
Germans did 911
+427|7103|Disaster Free Zone

konfusion wrote:

Missed that part directed at me:
Transparency ie you know how much you're paying in taxes.

-kon
Really only would work if there were differing tax amounts for different items/places. Which I suppose is what it's like in the US going by the OP. But in countries with a GST/VAT system where everything nationally is taxed at the same amount you know that you're always paying X percentage in tax, so it is in the consumers interest to know the final products price upfront. It's not like places can compete with differing tax amounts
2008-06-18 07:13:02
DrunkFace
Germans did 911
+427|7103|Disaster Free Zone

SenorToenails wrote:

HurricaИe wrote:

DrunkFace wrote:

And what's with the whole mandatory Tip thing in the states?
It's not mandatory as far as I can tell, it's just customary. I think it's because (at least for the longest time) waiters got really shitty pay, so you'd give them a bit of cash so they could get a beer after work. It stuck around and became today's tip system.

Besides, it's only helpful when you're trying to get that cute waitress's number
Tipped labor is still only paid $2.13/hour.  Tips make up the difference between that and the state/federal minimum.  States can increase that, but tipped labor is almost always less than non-tipped labor for hourly wages.
WTF!!!!

I would go looking through public telephones/vending machines for people who forgot their change and make more money then 2.13 an hour.
2008-06-18 07:13:15
SenorToenails
Veritas et Scientia
+444|6552|North Tonawanda, NY

DrunkFace wrote:

konfusion wrote:

Missed that part directed at me:
Transparency ie you know how much you're paying in taxes.

-kon
Really only would work if there were differing tax amounts for different items/places. Which I suppose is what it's like in the US going by the OP. But in countries with a GST/VAT system where everything nationally is taxed at the same amount you know that you're always paying X percentage in tax, so it is in the consumers interest to know the final products price upfront. It's not like places can compete with differing tax amounts
Yes.  In the US, sales tax is dependent on state and county, so it's pretty much different everywhere you go.
2008-06-18 07:15:49
bugz
Fission Mailed
+3,311|6734

DrunkFace wrote:

SenorToenails wrote:

HurricaИe wrote:


It's not mandatory as far as I can tell, it's just customary. I think it's because (at least for the longest time) waiters got really shitty pay, so you'd give them a bit of cash so they could get a beer after work. It stuck around and became today's tip system.

Besides, it's only helpful when you're trying to get that cute waitress's number
Tipped labor is still only paid $2.13/hour.  Tips make up the difference between that and the state/federal minimum.  States can increase that, but tipped labor is almost always less than non-tipped labor for hourly wages.
WTF!!!!

I would go looking through public telephones/vending machines for people who forgot their change and make more money then 2.13 an hour.
Minimum wage in Canada's $8.75/hour if I remember right. I was shocked when I went to the US and heard some of the waiters and waitresses at the Olive Garden we went to made under $3/hour. It was the best service we've ever seen at a restaurant if you ask me.
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2008-06-18 07:16:45
SenorToenails
Veritas et Scientia
+444|6552|North Tonawanda, NY

DrunkFace wrote:

SenorToenails wrote:

HurricaИe wrote:

It's not mandatory as far as I can tell, it's just customary. I think it's because (at least for the longest time) waiters got really shitty pay, so you'd give them a bit of cash so they could get a beer after work. It stuck around and became today's tip system.

Besides, it's only helpful when you're trying to get that cute waitress's number
Tipped labor is still only paid $2.13/hour.  Tips make up the difference between that and the state/federal minimum.  States can increase that, but tipped labor is almost always less than non-tipped labor for hourly wages.
WTF!!!!

I would go looking through public telephones/vending machines for people who forgot their change and make more money then 2.13 an hour.
That's why they get so pissy when you don't tip.  But they always make minimum--

Department of Labor wrote:

If an employee's tips combined with the employer's direct wages of at least $2.13 an hour do not equal the minimum hourly wage of $5.85 per hour effective July 24, 2007; $6.55 per hour effective July 24, 2008; and $7.25 per hour effective July 24, 2009; the employer must make up the difference.
Edit:  Of course, those numbers can also be increased by state.  Those are only the Federal minimums.

Last edited by SenorToenails (2008-06-18 07:17:34)

2008-06-18 07:45:51
ZombieVampire!
The Gecko
+69|6249
I have to say, I oppose the theory of a tip making up a portion of your wage.  It just seems stupid.


Having said that, even being opposed to tips, if I were in the US I'd pay them because that's the way it works.  I just don't think it should.  You should get paid a flat rate and do your job well because it's your job.  I do.
2008-06-18 09:28:27
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|7023|132 and Bush

HurricaИe wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

HurricaИe wrote:

Does it piss anybody else off A LOT? I'm not complaining about the actual tax (although christ, I'm in Chicago right now and it's like 10% compared to 5% in DC... it certainly shows what a difference a higher tax makes though, but I digress). I'm complaining about how it's not calculated until after everything's scanned.

If I walk into a store with $1.25 for a soda that's advertised as $1.25, I shouldn't have to bring MORE than $1.25. I'm pretty sure that in Canada (or maybe it's the UK, can't remember) the tax is included in the price that's displayed. So that's $1.25 WITH tax... meaning you just bring $1.25 to the store.

Anyone else agree?
Here the tax is included in the price that is displayed, but it's 21%, so I wouldn't complain if they didn't include a 7 or 8% tax instead.

I think the VAT and/or the sales tax is an unfair tax coz everyone pays it, the poor and the rich.
Yeah, but do you guys have a national healthcare system? I can imagine a huge increase in taxes here in the US if health goes nationalized.

And why can't they just include the 7% or 8% (as you put it) tax in our prices anyway? God I hate our system.

And konfusion what does he mean by transparency?
Sales tax is determined by local government (State/County) and the fed has no say. Much like property taxes. Florida has a 6% sales tax and most counties impose another 1% on top of that. Nearly every state has some sort of healthcare system in place. Your sales tax is infact already funding it.
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