Poll

Should we further regulate trading and banking activity?

Yes75%75% - 12
No6%6% - 1
We should further deregulate.12%12% - 2
LOLwut?6%6% - 1
Total: 16
Masques
Black Panzer Party
+184|7144|Eastern PA
http://biz.thestar.com.my/bizweek/story … ec=bizweek

ACCORDING to Shell Oil president John Hofmeister, the “proper” range for oil should be somewhere between US$35 - US$90 a barrel.

Based on that statement and assuming it’s more or less accurate, what do you think we should make of the current oil price of US$130 - US$140 per barrel? How much of the spectacular rise in oil is due to speculation? That is important to determine as excessive speculation could basically drive prices much higher than its real demand-supply equilibrium.

Open interest in WTI oil futures has been growing exponentially at 18% per annum since 2001, thanks to the entry of non-commercial players. The entry of more non-commercial players and speculators generally mean they would be on the long-side of the futures and options.
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The new index speculators are not your average in-and-out trading outfits. Collectively, these funds have stockpiled (long on inventory via the futures market) 1.1 billion barrels of petroleum. It’s not like they are actually going to take delivery of these oil barrels, but their stockpiling is tantamount to hoarding 1.1 billion barrels from the real market place. If real supply is constant, one can imagine what the 1.1 billion long positions will do to oil futures prices if they are rolled over.

Apart from index speculators, a huge number of long-only commodity funds and plethora of dedicated commodity ETFs have entered the scene in the past five years. A quick glance at Nasdaq will be able to give you an idea on the rising emergence of ETFs.

Essentially, they are long players, trying to cash in on investors interest on a prolonged commodity bull run.

But are they really interested to consume these commodities? NO.
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Amidst all these hoopla, it would appear that Opec, which is traditionally everyone’s punching bag, is probably an innocent party to this catastrophe, this time around.

According to market estimates, the actual costs incurred in producing the most expensive oil is only around US$70-US$80 a barrel; the rest of the current oil price represents the market’s risk premium plus speculation.

Note, that assumption is based on the high end of the cost spectrum and most are produced at a much lower cost.
And now the results of our "shadow banking system", which is largely deregulated have come home to roost.

http://money.cnn.com/2007/11/27/news/ne … g.fortune/
The tangled web of subprimes has claimed more than its share of victims in recent months: homeowners by the hundreds of thousands, to be sure, but also those who created, packaged, insured, distributed, and ultimately bought what should have been labeled "junk mortgages" but which by a masterstroke of marketing genius received a more respectable imprimatur.

"Skim milk masquerades as cream," warned Gilbert and Sullivan over a century ago, and sure enough, today's subprimes, packaged into financial conduits with monikers such as SIVs and CDOs, pretended to be AAA-rated cubes of butter.
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What we are witnessing is essentially the breakdown of our modern-day banking system, a complex of leveraged lending so hard to understand that Federal Reserve chairman Ben Bernanke required a face-to-face refresher course from hedge fund managers in mid-August.

My Pimco colleague Paul McCulley has labeled it the "shadow banking system" because it has lain hidden for years, untouched by regulation, yet free to magically and mystically create and then package subprime loans into a host of three-letter conduits that only Wall Street wizards could explain.
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Now, with confidence waning, the visible but unphotographable run from George Washington into the euro, the yen, and other currencies is under way. Protecting an American-made pocketbook should begin by seeing that purchasing power is more likely to be enhanced via investments in strong currencies, not weak ones. More than ever, your portfolio should have a international perspective and include non-dollar-denominated assets.
I've read elsewhere that currently only about 20% of banking activity is regulated. The housing bubble has greatly inflated the dollar and now its decline and subsequent inflation in prices is affecting all dollar denominated assets, notably oil.

So we have unregulated trading activity (speculation) on the one hand that is adding a minimum of 50% to the price of a barrel of oil (increasing the price in absolute terms) and on the other we have unregulated banking activity causing the decline of the US dollar (increasing the price in relative terms). As oil is primarily denominated in US dollars a switch from a petrodollar to a petroeuro (or petropound) will further cause the price to increase; in all probability to double.

This increase in price is happening despite OPEC states with excess capacity agreeing to increase output.

Is more regulation of these areas necessary given the importance of oil to so many sectors of the economy?

Post your thoughts.
usmarine2
Banned
+233|6213|Dublin, Ohio
Maybe, but then you have to regulate the regulators, and somebody regulate the people regulating the regulators.  So on and so on.
Masques
Black Panzer Party
+184|7144|Eastern PA

usmarine2 wrote:

Maybe, but then you have to regulate the regulators, and somebody regulate the people regulating the regulators.  So on and so on.
An ideal solution would be to give the regulatory agencies the same teeth they had in the wake of the S&L Crisis/Scandals in the 1980/90s along with a strengthening of the Inspectors General of the respective offices and real Congressional oversight. Underlying all of this would be a more dedicated and aggressive DoJ with an actual dedication to rooting out corruption.

Additionally I'd like to see expanded State, Treasury, and Energy Dept. offices investigating possible overseas manipulation of markets and commodities in a national security context.

The regulatory possibilities are literally endless.
usmarine2
Banned
+233|6213|Dublin, Ohio
What is the reason it is no un-regulated?
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6827|North Carolina
It's unregulated because Reagan, both Bushes, and Clinton all had their corporate favors to pay back.
Bell
Frosties > Cornflakes
+362|6971|UK

What is getting me is that many people are taking this as merely a blip.  It can take upto a year for oil bought today to get into the gas stations.  If anything the current prices are dictated mostly by oil that was $100ish back in january (right?).  By the time current $140 a barrel filters through around christmas.  A 40% increase anyone?  And rising.  Knew I should of bought shares in it.

Martyn
Phrozenbot
Member
+632|7038|do not disturb

This isn't about a lack of regulation, it's about the Federal Reserve's reckless serial Bubble policy. Every time the Fed has lowered interest rates too low, too much cheap liquidity has been available for people to speculate with. The tech bubble, housing bubble, credit bubble, possible commodities bubble, and bond market bubble. In real terms, interest rates are negative even according to the government's laughable CPI numbers.

Derivatives are just a new and fancy vehicles in which to speculate in. However, they are extremely difficult to regulate because there is so much of them ($560 trillion last I heard, which is the "notional" value) and they are cut up into pieces and shared amongst agreeing counter parties (CDO's, CDS's, etc).

For the longest time the CFTC has been giving a blind eye to the problem of speculation in the paper market, but recently have been pressured to do so. However, I have my own opinions as to why they have not because if they uncovered the ugly speculation in the oil market, they would find it's just as bad in other markets. Specifically silver and gold, and that is another story.

It's all fueled by excess credit through reckless low interest rates, and the fiat currency system. If you want people to stop using them, let banks and hedge funds that get into these risky bets be eaten alive by them when they become worthless. That will send a clear warning to Wall Street that when they go bankrupt, it really is the end of the line for them instead of being bailed out.

And since AMBAC and MBIA have lost their AAA ratings, those sub prime backed derivatives will start to eat their holders alive at a greater pace now. "The worst is over" stuff people have been clamoring is nonsense. They have no clue, this is just the tip of the iceberg. The bear is ready to maul Goldilocks.

But on the point of oil. The charts I've seen, if oil were to collapse the lowest would probably to about 100 dollars a barrel. But the overall trend still looks much higher. I anticipate $160 this summer if things get rough, and $200 possibly by the end of the year.

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