FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6833|'Murka

nukchebi0 wrote:

What is forcing the teaching to the test?
That's a good question.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein

Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
Dilbert_X
The X stands for
+1,822|6528|eXtreme to the maX
Teachers need to be whipped into shape or they do as little as possible, and then only whatever is the latest fad in educational theory.
Teaching properly is hard work, tiring and dull, from what I've seen.
Its much easier to let kids do crappy projects and give them stick-on stars than actually teach.

If teachers are incentivised to teach crap just to pass a test thats what they will do.
Fuck Israel
S.Lythberg
Mastermind
+429|6869|Chicago, IL

Ajax_the_Great1 wrote:

GorillaKing798 wrote:

S.Lythberg wrote:

no, my college costs are astronomical, I get no rewards for succeeding, while low performers get all the attention and funding...
QFT!!!

Last year at my school they had a club for kids who had GPA's below 2.0, they got their own shirts, front of the lunch line passes, free tickets to football games, and half price tickets to homecoming. Yet I get a 4.0 and get jack shit, it pisses me off to no end that they reward kids for being stupid. Great strategy getting them ready for the real world.
Yes, you're 4.0 won't help you at all in real life with things like college and scholarships.

I'm beginning to think you don't actually have a 4.0.
I had a 4.28, thanks to honors credits

and no, it helps very little if you are a middle class white male, the scholarship world is one of the most discriminatory and biased entities in the nation.
[Jett-CC]-Megadeth_Fan
Teh Ultimate Lurker
+16|6996|Kansas City

S.Lythberg wrote:

and no, it helps very little if you are a middle class white male, the scholarship world is one of the most discriminatory and biased entities in the nation.
motherfucking DOT


Similar story for me......

I had the grades necessary to get into a local college's 6 year medical program (year round school combining college and med school).  I went in for the interviews and was not selected.  They told me up front that their selection criteria was they accept 70% women (wtf?), 25% people of foreign nationality (again....wtf?) and 5% everyone else.  So being a white male I had a 5% shot from the git-go no matter how I did on the test/interviews.

Fuck 'em.....I switched my major to computer science and got a minor in chemistry.  I have had great jobs in the Laboratory Automation field.  I get to work with computers (which I love) in the medical/research sector.

Sad thing is that I could have received a lot of scholarships to help pay for college if I wasn't white.
Doctor Strangelove
Real Battlefield Veterinarian.
+1,758|6890

HurricaИe wrote:

I go to private school so I don't think we're bound by NCLB (we don't do standardized testing apart from SATs and APs and ACTs). It frankly seems like a much better environment. The really smart kids get put into classes that challenge them, while the not so smart kids get put into classes that are easier but still challenge them (so that they can get better with whatever they're having issues with).

Given the colleges most people here graduate to, it seems to work.
HurricaИe
Banned
+877|6383|Washington DC

LividBovine wrote:

HurricaИe wrote:

LividBovine wrote:

It is called training yourself for the future.  If you slack off now and think you will pick it up later, good luck.
Who was that addressed to?
You
...where did I ever mention anything about slacking off? I said it was lame that the most I got was the fact that it'll look good on college apps (which admittedly is pretty helpful, but still. A certificate would be nice.)

edit: In terms of affirmative action I've got it good. Hispanic, immigrant, first generation college-goer

Last edited by HurricaИe (2008-06-25 10:28:01)

chittydog
less busy
+586|7257|Kubra, Damn it!

No Child Left Behind has been a smashing success. All children are now equally uneducated.
nukchebi0
Пушкин, наше всё
+387|6746|New Haven, CT

FEOS wrote:

nukchebi0 wrote:

What is forcing the teaching to the test?
That's a good question.
It was really a rhetorical one.
GorillaKing798
Too legit to quit
+48|6536|Tampa, Florida

Ajax_the_Great1 wrote:

GorillaKing798 wrote:

S.Lythberg wrote:

no, my college costs are astronomical, I get no rewards for succeeding, while low performers get all the attention and funding...
QFT!!!

Last year at my school they had a club for kids who had GPA's below 2.0, they got their own shirts, front of the lunch line passes, free tickets to football games, and half price tickets to homecoming. Yet I get a 4.0 and get jack shit, it pisses me off to no end that they reward kids for being stupid. Great strategy getting them ready for the real world.
Yes, you're 4.0 won't help you at all in real life with things like college and scholarships.

I'm beginning to think you don't actually have a 4.0.
When did I say my 4.0 was useless? I said that it makes me mad that they get rewarded for bad grades, yet I get very little for my efforts, I was implying at a high school level, but even at a college level there is a bias as everyone has stated before me.

Last edited by GorillaKing798 (2008-06-25 13:05:15)

Ghandi767
Member
+17|7044|Hanging in the Balance
Yeah its completely f*cked. The idea of working on our education was good, the execution awful.
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6833|'Murka

nukchebi0 wrote:

FEOS wrote:

nukchebi0 wrote:

What is forcing the teaching to the test?
That's a good question.
It was really a rhetorical one.
Doesn't mean it's not a good one too.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein

Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
nukchebi0
Пушкин, наше всё
+387|6746|New Haven, CT
Isn't the answer somewhat apparent?
DrunkFace
Germans did 911
+427|7103|Disaster Free Zone

chittydog wrote:

No Child Left Behind has been a smashing success. All children are now equally uneducated.
Doesn't it just make you all warm and fuzzy inside knowing the Government has done something successfully.

nukchebi0 wrote:

Isn't the answer somewhat apparent?
Kill all the dumb kids... national average IQ goes up, Teachers spending less time on the idiots. Solution.
nukchebi0
Пушкин, наше всё
+387|6746|New Haven, CT
As my signature implies, I am aware of the benefits of doing so. The real answer is NCLB is forcing the teaching to the test, since test scores are used as the indication of progress.

Last edited by nukchebi0 (2008-06-26 00:52:46)

LividBovine
The Year of the Cow!
+175|6802|MN

HurricaИe wrote:

LividBovine wrote:

HurricaИe wrote:


Who was that addressed to?
You
...where did I ever mention anything about slacking off? I said it was lame that the most I got was the fact that it'll look good on college apps (which admittedly is pretty helpful, but still. A certificate would be nice.)

edit: In terms of affirmative action I've got it good. Hispanic, immigrant, first generation college-goer
Sorry, to make my point more clear:

  I was merely pointing out that there are many that believe they can apply themselves when the time comes, but it very rarely happens that way.  I basically meant consider yourself well prepared for the future.
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FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6833|'Murka

nukchebi0 wrote:

As my signature implies, I am aware of the benefits of doing so. The real answer is NCLB is forcing the teaching to the test, since test scores are used as the indication of progress.
What a remarkable cop out.

It's pure laziness on the part of the schools because they (and the teacher's unions) want NCLB to fail. They despise being held accountable.

Even if teachers have ways to teach to the required level without "teaching to the test", they aren't allowed to. Not by NCLB, but by the school system.

Last edited by FEOS (2008-06-26 02:55:51)

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