CameronPoe
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"Gates warned of the consequences if the Bush Administration staged a pre-emptive strike on Iran, saying, as the senator recalled, 'We'll create generations of jihadists, and our grandchildren will be battling our enemies here in America.' Gates's comments stunned the Democrats at the lunch, and another senator asked whether Gates was speaking for Bush and Vice-President Dick Cheney.

Stunner. Just as the Iraq war will have created jihadists bent on attacking America from within and without for decades to come, Gates has the balls to state outright that the same consequence would fall out of an attack on Iran.
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Powerful words. Hopefully backed up by action.
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Gates warned of the consequences if the Bush Administration staged a pre-emptive strike on Iran, saying, as the senator recalled, 'We'll create generations of jihadists, and our grandchildren will be battling our enemies here in America.
And he didn't think that about Iraq?
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Dilbert_X wrote:

Gates warned of the consequences if the Bush Administration staged a pre-emptive strike on Iran, saying, as the senator recalled, 'We'll create generations of jihadists, and our grandchildren will be battling our enemies here in America.
And he didn't think that about Iraq?
He wasn't part of the administration in 2002-2003.
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― Albert Einstein

Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
Dilbert_X
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OK, that didn't occur to any of the intellectual pygmies in the admin 2002-2003?
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BN
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Dilbert_X wrote:

OK, that didn't occur to any of the intellectual pygmies in the admin 2002-2003?
it was all part of bush's "shock and awe". It wasnt just the iraqi's he was using shock against...it was the people and goverments of the world.
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Yay for sanity at last!
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Dilbert_X wrote:

OK, that didn't occur to any of the intellectual pygmies in the admin 2002-2003?
Apparently not. Too bad Bush waited until the last half of his last term to get rid of those knuckleheads.
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― Albert Einstein

Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
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Dilbert_X wrote:

OK, that didn't occur to any of the intellectual pygmies in the admin 2002-2003?
It did to Colin Powell.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colin_Powe … ar_in_Iraq
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Kmarion wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

OK, that didn't occur to any of the intellectual pygmies in the admin 2002-2003?
It did to Colin Powell.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colin_Powe … ar_in_Iraq
Not to mention Dick Cheney discussing it years before.  They knew full well what they were doing - that's one of the reasons the invasion developed the way it did.  If you declare war, you let the people who are supposed to provide logistics and battle plans (the leaders of the Armed Forces) do their job - you don't let business and politics get in the way of it.  But why do that when you can pull the strings and make a bunch of people rich at the expense of soldiers, civilians, disillusioned Officers, and the American taxpayer?
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that man didnt let them stop loss me.
Stingray24
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Generations of jihadists existed before the US even existed as a nation ....
usmarine2
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hmmmmm....it seems a generation of jihadists were raised during the clinton years.  9/11, saudi towers, two US embassies in africa, and a US ship were attacked by well....jihadists.  not to mention somalia.

although they seem to forget we actually fought for muslims in the late 90's in albania, when other muslim nations would not lift a finger to help.
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Stingray24 wrote:

Generations of jihadists existed before the US even existed as a nation ....
hahahah good point except this time they will turn on U.S. if U.S. attacks them or our best ally Israel
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Jihaad existed since the foundation of Islam. Muhaummed, the big cheese himself, came up with the terminology. Just because there are a bunch of hornets bumming around, doesn't mean you just ignore the problem and let it get bigger.

You put the kabash on the pack of barbarians, and unfortunately, until recently, we weren't seeing much kabash.

But not even Cameron the Lefty Hoe can deny that Americans are kicking serious Islami exteremist ass in Iraq and Afghanistan, along with their British allies.

Sorry Poe, Al Jazeera is only so good for information before it becomes a terrorist information site.
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The_Mac wrote:

Sorry Poe, Al Jazeera is only so good for information before it becomes a terrorist information site.
Yeah, because all American media is completely clean and legit.

Al Jazeera has more truth in it then any American News show.

edit: who karm'd me? I demand an answer noa.

Last edited by CommonSense (2008-07-01 00:10:20)

ZombieVampire!
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The_Mac wrote:

But not even Cameron the Lefty Hoe can deny that Americans are kicking serious Islami exteremist ass in Iraq and Afghanistan, along with their British allies.
Uh, yeah................that's highly debatable.
Dilbert_X
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But not even Cameron the Lefty Hoe can deny that Americans are kicking serious Islami exteremist ass in Iraq and Afghanistan, along with their British allies.
Afghanistan is going backwards, Iraq will soon be the Western province of Iran.
A few jihadis have been killed, no doubt many more have been radicalised.
Short term gain = long term pain folks.
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CameronPoe
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The_Mac wrote:

Jihaad existed since the foundation of Islam. Muhaummed, the big cheese himself, came up with the terminology. Just because there are a bunch of hornets bumming around, doesn't mean you just ignore the problem and let it get bigger.

You put the kabash on the pack of barbarians, and unfortunately, until recently, we weren't seeing much kabash.

But not even Cameron the Lefty Hoe can deny that Americans are kicking serious Islami exteremist ass in Iraq and Afghanistan, along with their British allies.

Sorry Poe, Al Jazeera is only so good for information before it becomes a terrorist information site.
I thought the war on drugs terror was supposed to eliminate narcotics terrorism? So far it has created more terrorists, given more reasons to become a terrorist and has not eliminated terrorism and doesn't look like doing so any millennium soon....

PS Why did Jihadists only start bothering the west post-imposition of Israel on the middle east and post realisation that rich westerners with their oil companies were getting fat off the land while most of them stayed impoverished? Oddly the first true instance of jihadism last century was when the Afghans attempted successfully to oust communist USSR.

PPS Afghanistan is still largely a perpetual game of cat and mouse between the Taliban and NATO. Where is the conclusion to hostilities? When will they surrender? I think you'll be waiting.

PPPS Check out alertnet on Reuters - mainstream news ain't reporting it anymore but ordinary Iraqis are stilling dying in their tens everyday at the hands of inter-ethnic violence and Al Qaeda. No need for Al Jazeera to tell anyone about that.

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The_Mac wrote:

Jihaad existed since the foundation of Islam. Muhaummed, the big cheese himself, came up with the terminology. Just because there are a bunch of hornets bumming around, doesn't mean you just ignore the problem and let it get bigger.

You put the kabash on the pack of barbarians, and unfortunately, until recently, we weren't seeing much kabash.

But not even Cameron the Lefty Hoe can deny that Americans are kicking serious Islami exteremist ass in Iraq and Afghanistan, along with their British allies.

Sorry Poe, Al Jazeera is only so good for information before it becomes a terrorist information site.
The same way you kicked drugs ass...how's that war going?

Do you honestly believe that the next generation of Iraqis and Afghanis (and possibly Iranians depending on how things play out) are going to grow up watching Dr. Phil, eating McDonalds and looking at the US as the great liberators who saved them from their previous life and showed them the light? I'd say the US has just created several million more future Jihadists in that region, ye better make sure you keep your airport security nice and tight from now on in.

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ZombieVampire! wrote:

The_Mac wrote:

But not even Cameron the Lefty Hoe can deny that Americans are kicking serious Islami exteremist ass in Iraq and Afghanistan, along with their British allies.
Uh, yeah................that's highly debatable.
debate it then.  Id like to see how you could possibly think the military aspect is debatable.
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God Save the Queen wrote:

ZombieVampire! wrote:

The_Mac wrote:

But not even Cameron the Lefty Hoe can deny that Americans are kicking serious Islami exteremist ass in Iraq and Afghanistan, along with their British allies.
Uh, yeah................that's highly debatable.
debate it then.  Id like to see how you could possibly think the military aspect is debatable.
I don't think the short term successes are up for debate but rather the long term effects. It definitely would seem the extremists are being chipped away at steadily in the region (although the recent prison break was a huge setback) but there is probably no accurate way of determining how many young Muslims are becoming radicalised because of all of this open warfare.
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that wasnt what I was addressing though.  bubbalo thinks our military superiority in afghanistan and iraq is debatable.  militarily speaking, there is no debate.  If you want to get at the political side of things, then I understand whats being said.  But to think the insurgency isnt handily defeated in the engagments they fight in, is pretty dumb and only shows that you are choosing sides based on opinion and not fact.
Dilbert_X
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Militarily the Viet Cong were vastly inferior to US forces.
Militarily the Afghan tribesmen were vastly inferior to the Russians.
In engagements the modern armies generally won, they were both defeated overall however.
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