ATG
Banned
+5,233|6950|Global Command
•  The deficit for this year is now projected to be $475 billion, easily eclipsing the previous record, set in 2004. That's almost half a trillion dollars. And that number does not include $185 billion raided from Social Security payments. The real deficit, therefore, is more than $600 billion.

•  Despite this reality, the appropriations committee just released its proposal to increase spending next year by another 7.7 percent. Revenue is currently flat because of the weak economy.

•  That increase will push the deficit for 2009 to maybe $700 billion. Even a President Obama might find it hard to raise taxes enough to collect that much more money.

•  The current budget had thousands of unnecessary and often corrupt earmarks, totaling $18.3 billion. The next budget appears it will have even more.

•  Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid all are actually bankrupt and have autopilot annual increases that at current rates will consume 100 percent of your taxes by 2040, leaving no room for a military, parks, courts or anything else without more taxes.

•  All of this is an insidious wealth transfer from our kids to us. It increases our debt, further hurts the value of the weak dollar (which accounts for much of the increase in the price of gas) and will put upward pressure on interest rates.

•  Every week (without exception recently), Congress votes to spend even more money, creating new programs, new agencies and new entitlements that are not even included in all the numbers listed above. After spending $261 billion on "supplemental emergency spending" in June, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., now has a proposal to spend billions more on a "second supplemental."

All of this happens because Republican spenders won't criticize Democrat spending if Democrats won't criticize Republicans' spending. If I want to spend a dollar, and you want to spend a dollar, we compromise by spending both. Politicians win. Special interests win. Taxpayers lose.

http://www.ocregister.com/articles/spen … ew-deficit   So what do we do about it?  I agree with his analysis but differ on the solutions.

My solution is that when we are all starving we track these bastards down and eat them and their offspring.

Last edited by ATG (2008-07-02 21:27:35)

13rin
Member
+977|6901
Dibs on the ribs!

*edit- Soooo... How does President Obama expect to implement all of these giant social reforms?

Last edited by DBBrinson1 (2008-07-02 21:28:54)

I stood in line for four hours. They better give me a Wal-Mart gift card, or something.  - Rodney Booker, Job Fair attendee.
Parker
isteal
+1,452|6816|The Gem Saloon

ATG wrote:

My solution is that when we are all starving we track these bastards down and eat them and their offspring.
im game....just make sure we have a few bullets left to shoot em in the back with




on a more serious note;
im sure we will be OK man. i mean, it will be shitty for awhile...i know this, but its nothing we cant bounce back from.
its just a matter of how much everyone will put up with before we all force change.
AussieReaper
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
+5,761|6574|what

ATG wrote:

All of this happens because Republican spenders won't criticize Democrat spending if Democrats won't criticize Republicans' spending. If I want to spend a dollar, and you want to spend a dollar, we compromise by spending both. Politicians win. Special interests win. Taxpayers lose.
Your not blaming the Democrats for the Republican spending are you, or vice-versa?
https://i.imgur.com/maVpUMN.png
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6950|Global Command

TheAussieReaper wrote:

ATG wrote:

All of this happens because Republican spenders won't criticize Democrat spending if Democrats won't criticize Republicans' spending. If I want to spend a dollar, and you want to spend a dollar, we compromise by spending both. Politicians win. Special interests win. Taxpayers lose.
Your not blaming the Democrats for the Republican spending are you, or vice-versa?
I'm saying they are collectively fucking us right in the ass.


We need a solution.
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|7022|132 and Bush

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5g07m … gD91LTE800
That is more frightening than the economy to me.
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ATG
Banned
+5,233|6950|Global Command

Kmarion wrote:

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5g07mkwmsp4l_Q5H-YBiHq6phbimgD91LTE800
That is more frightening than the economy to me.
And Clark and McCain argue about their war records.
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|7022|132 and Bush

The Justice Department is considering letting the FBI investigate Americans without any evidence of wrongdoing, relying instead on a terrorist profile that could single out Muslims, Arabs or other racial and ethnic groups.
Shouldn't that be an obvious signal to Americans?  This was too. Invoking the International Emergency Economic Powers Act on US citizens to promote political reform in a foreign country? GTFO, I was ready to track the bastards down after that.
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fadedsteve
GOP Sympathizer
+266|6912|Menlo Park, CA
I like how California spent 15 billion dollars on illegal immigrants last year. . . . . . sounds like money well spent. . . .I'll bet
JahManRed
wank
+646|7049|IRELAND

You have to ask yourself who is profiteering from all this debt?

Someone has to. Any ideas?

It wouldn't surprise me if they were connected to the current administration. Because they simply couldn't be stupid enough to fucking the country up for no reason. There must be profit in it somewhere for some rich white man.
CameronPoe
Member
+2,925|6977
The picture you paint points to an implosion of the United States within a few decades. To be honest the US' finances make so little sense to me that I wouldn't be surprised if an implosion does happen. The revolution is coming...
BN
smells like wee wee
+159|7189
Can the next president, whoever that may be, actually roll out their agenda?
imortal
Member
+240|7086|Austin, TX
Even better, Republicans said they would end Earmark spending if the Democrats would end it too. No response from the Democrats, but does this sound like a school playground where a kid is caught misbehaving and he screams "but they are doing it too!"

We need to completely re-evaluate our federal tax and spending system.
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|7022|132 and Bush

JahManRed wrote:

You have to ask yourself who is profiteering from all this debt?

Someone has to. Any ideas?

It wouldn't surprise me if they were connected to the current administration. Because they simply couldn't be stupid enough to fucking the country up for no reason. There must be profit in it somewhere for some rich white man.
Not always true. Especially with a falling dollar and inflation. Services and goods are devalued greatly (Or it could just be the market correcting itself to where it should have been the whole time). Also consider that when a business necessity like fuel is running high it will inevitably slow production. It's easy to look for simple answers via "some rich white man". We've had far worse economic circumstances that were felt by everyone.
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chittydog
less busy
+586|7257|Kubra, Damn it!

Kmarion wrote:

JahManRed wrote:

You have to ask yourself who is profiteering from all this debt?

Someone has to. Any ideas?

It wouldn't surprise me if they were connected to the current administration. Because they simply couldn't be stupid enough to fucking the country up for no reason. There must be profit in it somewhere for some rich white man.
Not always true. Especially with a falling dollar and inflation. Services and goods are devalued greatly (Or it could just be the market correcting itself to where it should have been the whole time). Also consider that when a business necessity like fuel is running high it will inevitably slow production. It's easy to look for simple answers via "some rich white man". We've had far worse economic circumstances that were felt by everyone.
I don't think Halliburton is feeling much of that pain right now. Especially since they moved their headquarters over there to avoid paying taxes.
chittydog
less busy
+586|7257|Kubra, Damn it!

ATG wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5g07mkwmsp4l_Q5H-YBiHq6phbimgD91LTE800
That is more frightening than the economy to me.
And Clark and McCain argue about their war records.
This is exactly the kind of treatment that starts making ordinary moderate muslims sympathetic towards the extremists.
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6950|Global Command
Bush the Destroyer.

He has destroyed our economy.
He has destroyed faith in the government to act responsible.
He has destroyed the lives of thousands of American soldiers and tens of thousands of Iraqis.
He has destroyed the republican party.

What do we get from this war?
Every silly accusation the left made about blood for oil is true.
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|7022|132 and Bush

chittydog wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

JahManRed wrote:

You have to ask yourself who is profiteering from all this debt?

Someone has to. Any ideas?

It wouldn't surprise me if they were connected to the current administration. Because they simply couldn't be stupid enough to fucking the country up for no reason. There must be profit in it somewhere for some rich white man.
Not always true. Especially with a falling dollar and inflation. Services and goods are devalued greatly (Or it could just be the market correcting itself to where it should have been the whole time). Also consider that when a business necessity like fuel is running high it will inevitably slow production. It's easy to look for simple answers via "some rich white man". We've had far worse economic circumstances that were felt by everyone.
I don't think Halliburton is feeling much of that pain right now. Especially since they moved their headquarters over there to avoid paying taxes.
Haliburton is a publicly traded stock.. no? It's stock has mimicked the entire market since 2003 (Aside from the last few months).
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chittydog
less busy
+586|7257|Kubra, Damn it!

Kmarion wrote:

chittydog wrote:

Kmarion wrote:


Not always true. Especially with a falling dollar and inflation. Services and goods are devalued greatly (Or it could just be the market correcting itself to where it should have been the whole time). Also consider that when a business necessity like fuel is running high it will inevitably slow production. It's easy to look for simple answers via "some rich white man". We've had far worse economic circumstances that were felt by everyone.
I don't think Halliburton is feeling much of that pain right now. Especially since they moved their headquarters over there to avoid paying taxes.
Haliburton is a publicly traded stock.. no? It's stock has mimicked the entire market since 2003 (Aside from the last few months).
Pow! That's what I get for making stupid comments without checking facts first.
PureFodder
Member
+225|6707

chittydog wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

chittydog wrote:

I don't think Halliburton is feeling much of that pain right now. Especially since they moved their headquarters over there to avoid paying taxes.
Haliburton is a publicly traded stock.. no? It's stock has mimicked the entire market since 2003 (Aside from the last few months).
Pow! That's what I get for making stupid comments without checking facts first.
https://chart.bigcharts.com/custom/cnnmoney2/interact-chart.img?ClientID=44711&symb=HAL&sid=2303&pg=ch&time=5yr&freq=1dy&comp=%2C&compidx=aaaaa%7E0&ma=0&maval=60&uf=0&lf=1&type=2&charts=0&mocktick=1&symbtype=0&country=US&style=2108&size=2&rand=1581
Halliburton's 5 year stock chart seems to be doing great.
CameronPoe
Member
+2,925|6977

ATG wrote:

Bush the Destroyer.

He has destroyed our economy.
He has destroyed faith in the government to act responsible.
He has destroyed the lives of thousands of American soldiers and tens of thousands of Iraqis.
He has destroyed the republican party.

What do we get from this war?
Every silly accusation the left made about blood for oil is true.
Aw don't be like that. Save Zimbabwe next! They could really do with your blood and tax-dollars.

Last edited by CameronPoe (2008-07-03 08:15:21)

AutralianChainsaw
Member
+65|6620

ATG wrote:

We need a solution.
You have Ron Paul
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|7022|132 and Bush

PureFodder wrote:

chittydog wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

Haliburton is a publicly traded stock.. no? It's stock has mimicked the entire market since 2003 (Aside from the last few months).
Pow! That's what I get for making stupid comments without checking facts first.
http://chart.bigcharts.com/custom/cnnmo … ;rand=1581
Halliburton's 5 year stock chart seems to be doing great.
So has 90 percent of the rest of the market up until recently. Which is what I said.
https://i27.tinypic.com/24zdn2v.jpg
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Bell
Frosties > Cornflakes
+362|6971|UK

pierro wrote:

-While the debt is unexcusably high, you have to take into context the fact that the economy has also been growing.
The economy has been artificially growing in a buble fed by consumer credit.  In order to make these figures the government is assuming (or lying as I would put it) that the rate of inflation is lower than it truly is.  It isnt the governments place to bail people out of bad descisions (taking out loans they couldnt afford etc), and the fed is simply distorting the markets by increasing the money supply.

I have only fairly recently gotten into all of this stuff so I would conceed that what am saying isnt exactly bullet proof and am open to correction.  However, when you hear these fools on TV saying, well look here consumers spent say $50billion more here than they did this time last year, way hey.  The reason we are spending more is because it takes more of our notes to buy the same things.

If you spend $40,000 this year on consumer goods and services, compaired to $35,000 last year, and everone does the same proportiontly, all you will hear about on TV for weeks is that consumers are spending more and this is great.  There ignoring the fact you are not going through more of these goods.  Say 100 bottles of wine cost you $1000 last year, and this year 75 bottles cost you $1100, as far as there concerned your spending more, but you are getting less.

Essentially, by giving one group of people, there stealing your wealth in order to fisilitate that.  The fed is discouraging saving, as, why bother when the currency is falling, and instead promoting the idea that if you get into trouble, we will make it easier for you to get your hands on more money.  It's like taking a credit card out to pay off another one, it can only go on so long.

What counts is not how many dollars we have, but what those dollars are worth and what we can buy with them.
My two cents (or closer to one since that phrase was first coined)

Martyn

Last edited by Bell (2008-07-03 12:05:11)

usmarine2
Banned
+233|6212|Dublin, Ohio
falling down you say?

Last edited by usmarine2 (2008-07-03 16:25:35)

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