How did you derive that little gem? From my feverish participation in this very thread? Get your eyes checked old man.FEOS wrote:
no u
Who's crying? Does the truth hurt that much?
Doesn't really matter how much you've participated in this very thread, Sparky. What matters is the content of your participation.m3thod wrote:
How did you derive that little gem? From my feverish participation in this very thread? Get your eyes checked old man.FEOS wrote:
no u
Who's crying? Does the truth hurt that much?
So....based the content of my posts of which its highly evident i have not posted anything remotely related to this topic it is logical to assume that i am indeed overwhelmed by the 'truth' as you gallantly put it?FEOS wrote:
Doesn't really matter how much you've participated in this very thread, Sparky. What matters is the content of your participation.m3thod wrote:
How did you derive that little gem? From my feverish participation in this very thread? Get your eyes checked old man.FEOS wrote:
no u
Who's crying? Does the truth hurt that much?
Get your intellect checked, little guy.
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It's a great country you live in where you can get shot for being drunk just because everyone is so fucking terrified of everyone else. Land of the free?Lotta_Drool wrote:
Would the Irish be whinning if he was black?Braddock wrote:
A. He wasn't ginger.Lotta_Drool wrote:
The Irish are bigger whiners than the Muslims. Whaa fuckin whaaaaaa, the mean americans shot one of our drunken gingers.... booo fuckin hooooo It wasn't his fault he was a worthless drunk stalking around people's houses at night pounding on doors and scaring the crap out of people.
give me a break, this isn't Ireland where if you wake up at 2am because of a noise and see someone staring in your window at you, you just figure it is old man McCrackin jerking off while watching your mum sleep and roll over and go back to banging your sheep.
B. I won't resort to stupid stereotypes about the Americans because many of the American people on here are very nice people...so in that case I won't say anything about Americans being obese, stupid, crass, ignorant, war mongers who have a severe chip on their shoulder because they are a race of mongrels who lack any culture of their own and spend all their time whining in the UN about other nations having weapons or throwing Israel dirty looks. Stereotypes are great aren't they?
Now who's racist? Ummm, I'll have a large McSTFU with a 4 piece cryass tender.
You really think the Cops around here just run around looking for people to kill? That is what you seem to be saying as you whine endlessly about the loss of you drunkard homeless friend. The guy was obviously not too bright if he regularly got wasted and pounded on peoples doors. He got himself shot by being stupid and drunk, maybe that is normal back on the Island but it didn't work out here for him.
Moral of the story: Stupid drunk people do stupid drunk things that can end up getting their stupid drunk ass shot because stupid drunk people sometimes kill people with their stupid drunk activities and only a stupid person would think that the cop shot the stupid drunk person if he was fully cooperating and not being stupid drunk threatening.
marine some 16 year old is trying to give you a hint.nukchebi0 wrote:
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how about a hint of fist for him?m3thod wrote:
marine some 16 year old is trying to give you a hint.nukchebi0 wrote:
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Well I suppose you're right when you look at it like that...so many soldiers get killed these days too, who cares about all those American ones in Iraq and Afghanistan?usmarine2 wrote:
Considering how many people get shot and stabbed worldwide everyday....who cares tbh?
Well that didn't really address what I actually said. I know cops are human and can make mistakes. I said, I give them more latitude in judgment because, they have ruls to play by against people that do not. They are at a disadvantage, and expected to do right ALWAYS. As you point out however, they are human, but they are on the side that protects us.Braddock wrote:
Would have responded sooner but I've been busy celebrating Independence day!lowing wrote:
Ummmmmmm Braddock?? do you care to respond??lowing wrote:
Nope, I feel the cop should be innocent until proven guilty.
Not really sure where that came from Braddock, but if you wanna address what I actually said feel free.
but to respond to this latest attack................I have no prejudices towards races, I have social prejudices only.............I see someone sagging, walking around town in dirty clothes wearing a wife beater, looking and acting like a fool, be them black or white, I will pre-judge them, perhaps I will be wrong, this is my flaw....It has nothing to do with race.
Do you think that my attitude toward the dead criminals would be different if they were white??
Your attitude towards the cop should extend to the victim also. Cops are far from infallible. How would you feel if one of your family members was gunned down by a trigger happy cop who panicked and misread a situation? Would it please you to think of all the people reading the news thinking 'that scumbag got what they deserved, that cop is a hero'?
I'd like to reiterate at this point that I am reserving judgment and am not automatically presuming innocence on either side.
that's not something you'd expect to be shot for however.usmarine2 wrote:
except most of them were not drunk and kicking at peoples homes me thinks.
true. but, if you do not put yourself in that situation, it tends not to happen. I drink a shitload of booze, yet have never been shot at because of it. you really need to fuck up to be shot at. I have done some stupid shit and never had a cop draw his gun at me. So, why is that?TheAussieReaper wrote:
that's not something you'd expect to be shot for however.usmarine2 wrote:
except most of them were not drunk and kicking at peoples homes me thinks.
because you're White.usmarine2 wrote:
true. but, if you do not put yourself in that situation, it tends not to happen. I drink a shitload of booze, yet have never been shot at because of it. you really need to fuck up to be shot at. I have done some stupid shit and never had a cop draw his gun at me. So, why is that?TheAussieReaper wrote:
that's not something you'd expect to be shot for however.usmarine2 wrote:
except most of them were not drunk and kicking at peoples homes me thinks.
It was your post, sonny.m3thod wrote:
So....based the content of my posts of which its highly evident i have not posted anything remotely related to this topic it is logical to assume that i am indeed overwhelmed by the 'truth' as you gallantly put it?FEOS wrote:
Doesn't really matter how much you've participated in this very thread, Sparky. What matters is the content of your participation.m3thod wrote:
How did you derive that little gem? From my feverish participation in this very thread? Get your eyes checked old man.
Get your intellect checked, little guy.
How about i don't give a flying fuck? There you go now you can derive how i really feel and just how overwhelmed i really am. Old age is getting to you pops.
Said in the same breath as:TheAussieReaper wrote:
I'm of the opinion that it is more likely the officer is in the wrong, because I see this as an unwarranted \ needless death.
How the hell can you declare this as "unwarranted" when you readily admit ignorance of the facts?We don't know what happened to cause the shooting.
What is it you don't understand about the nature of deadly force? It's been explained to you by me and at least one other person that, as long as the threat remains, the bullets keep flying. There is no "shoot to wound," there is only "shoot to stop." As long as the threat hasn't stopped, you don't stop shooting.most of them still point to excessive force with seven shots fired.
I said I'm of the opinion that it is more likely. Do you think this guy deserved to die, without knowing the facts? I think he didn't deserve to die, without knowing the facts. And stand by that.HollisHurlbut wrote:
Said in the same breath as:TheAussieReaper wrote:
I'm of the opinion that it is more likely the officer is in the wrong, because I see this as an unwarranted \ needless death.How the hell can you declare this as "unwarranted" when you readily admit ignorance of the facts?We don't know what happened to cause the shooting.
Deadly force shouldn't be the officers first and last option unless they are under a serious threat themselves. How a drunk guy trying to get home could present such a threat I find hard to imagine.HollisHurlbut wrote:
What is it you don't understand about the nature of deadly force? It's been explained to you by me and at least one other person that, as long as the threat remains, the bullets keep flying. There is no "shoot to wound," there is only "shoot to stop." As long as the threat hasn't stopped, you don't stop shooting.
Again, I ask you: what is it you don't understand about the nature of deadly force?
You are right lowing, they are on the side that protect us and they have a very difficult job but blind faith in any institution is never a good thing; these police officers accept the great responsibility they are taking on when they get that badge and they should understand fully the levels to which they will be scrutinised in their actions...it is this high level of scrutinisation that keeps the police force as a well functioning respectable public service, without it you would end up with the kind of stories you hear about in Russia where the police are totally corrupt and do as they please.lowing wrote:
Well that didn't really address what I actually said. I know cops are human and can make mistakes. I said, I give them more latitude in judgment because, they have ruls to play by against people that do not. They are at a disadvantage, and expected to do right ALWAYS. As you point out however, they are human, but they are on the side that protects us.
You're right in that regard; it would seem from what people are saying in this thread that US cops are not trained to shoot to immobilise, only to shoot to kill and so the only issue is whether or not the cop was in the right to use his weapon at all. If it turns out that the victim indeed had no weapon and was a reasonable distance away from the officer then one must say it was an unnecessary killing.HollisHurlbut wrote:
What is it you don't understand about the nature of deadly force? It's been explained to you by me and at least one other person that, as long as the threat remains, the bullets keep flying. There is no "shoot to wound," there is only "shoot to stop." As long as the threat hasn't stopped, you don't stop shooting.TheAussieReaper wrote:
most of them still point to excessive force with seven shots fired.
Again, I ask you: what is it you don't understand about the nature of deadly force?
So basically if it is dark and a cop gets multiple reports of someone trying to break into houses and finds a person and orders them on the ground at gunpoint and the person doesn't comply the cop must wait until he sees a weapon (aka gets shot or shot at) vs reacting to the movement of the drunken stupid person that put his own life in danger.Braddock wrote:
It's a great country you live in where you can get shot for being drunk just because everyone is so fucking terrified of everyone else. Land of the free?Lotta_Drool wrote:
Would the Irish be whinning if he was black?Braddock wrote:
A. He wasn't ginger.
B. I won't resort to stupid stereotypes about the Americans because many of the American people on here are very nice people...so in that case I won't say anything about Americans being obese, stupid, crass, ignorant, war mongers who have a severe chip on their shoulder because they are a race of mongrels who lack any culture of their own and spend all their time whining in the UN about other nations having weapons or throwing Israel dirty looks. Stereotypes are great aren't they?
Now who's racist? Ummm, I'll have a large McSTFU with a 4 piece cryass tender.
You really think the Cops around here just run around looking for people to kill? That is what you seem to be saying as you whine endlessly about the loss of you drunkard homeless friend. The guy was obviously not too bright if he regularly got wasted and pounded on peoples doors. He got himself shot by being stupid and drunk, maybe that is normal back on the Island but it didn't work out here for him.
Moral of the story: Stupid drunk people do stupid drunk things that can end up getting their stupid drunk ass shot because stupid drunk people sometimes kill people with their stupid drunk activities and only a stupid person would think that the cop shot the stupid drunk person if he was fully cooperating and not being stupid drunk threatening.
And I'd imagine there would be just as much outrage if he had been black, why the hell wouldn't there be?
In terms of how bright the guy was apparently he was very intelligent and was a student at an art college in France; although he did suffer from mental problems of some sort.
From the beginning of this thread I haven't tried to defend this guy by presuming he's innocent. I have said all along that the cop may have been right in his actions. The only thing going against the cop at the moment is that we don't know if the guy had a weapon and if he didn't have a weapon shooting the guy 7 times is just plain bad police work.
What you're saying makes sense to a certain degree but only in an American context. In America everyone is a potential murderer because homicide rates are so high and weapons are so readily available and as such cops have to approach every incident with that mentality. I doubt the cop shot him because he was Irish but who knows maybe he did and in terms of the American economy you are down one bartender who will have to be replaced so it's all swings and roundabouts.Lotta_Drool wrote:
So basically if it is dark and a cop gets multiple reports of someone trying to break into houses and finds a person and orders them on the ground at gunpoint and the person doesn't comply the cop must wait until he sees a weapon (aka gets shot or shot at) vs reacting to the movement of the drunken stupid person that put his own life in danger.
You are fucking stupid and would be a dead cop. I morn no criminal. This guy was a dumb as they come, this was nothing more than darwin at work.
I may be wrong though and this cop just hates illegal Irish imigrants with mental problems that get drunk and try to break into houses, in either case he saved the US tax payers a lot of money so kudos for him. So this may serve as a warning to all the rest of you " very intelligent " Irish folk before you come to my country and try to stay illegally, I know it is nicer here but make sure you make your flight out.