That is not what I am telling them. I say that to people who always bitch about it. This is just one in his long line of oppressed complaints.Mek-Stizzle wrote:
Be glad we live in countries where we at least have a chance of trying to get laws changed. You're telling people to either stick with the law or get out, that shit is more like China or Iran. Actually they just lock you up or kill you.usmarine2 wrote:
So the govt did their job and enforced the law and you are pissed?
It's not like you're trying to legalise murder. I'd tell someone to gtfo of they tried to go for that too.
1. It is a rare occasion the government ever does its job of serving the people.usmarine2 wrote:
So the govt did their job and enforced the law and you are pissed?
2. I'm not pissed, usually stoned. Hard to be mad.
Just conversing over another disservice to the people for little reason other than collecting more tax. The original reason America became.
Well, guess what pays for the roads your veggie cars will drive over?Mason4Assassin444 wrote:
1. It is a rare occasion the government ever does its job of serving the people.usmarine2 wrote:
So the govt did their job and enforced the law and you are pissed?
2. I'm not pissed, usually stoned. Hard to be mad.
Just conversing over another disservice to the people for little reason other than collecting more tax. The original reason America became.
The roads will be paved either way, just like a multi trillion dollar war can be waged either way.usmarine2 wrote:
Well, guess what pays for the roads your veggie cars will drive over?Mason4Assassin444 wrote:
1. It is a rare occasion the government ever does its job of serving the people.usmarine2 wrote:
So the govt did their job and enforced the law and you are pissed?
2. I'm not pissed, usually stoned. Hard to be mad.
Just conversing over another disservice to the people for little reason other than collecting more tax. The original reason America became.
Generally speaking, drama queen refers better to people that make a big deal out of other people making a big deal out of something, when the said person has no substantial defense for their own criticism of someone else's point.usmarine2 wrote:
oh christ. drama queen
Watch it become common and the prices for vegetable oil and its source rise.
Ummm... my defense is that it is illegal and the law is enforced. He provided no link to the OP. Well, but nobody jumps on him for it. So whatever. Go eat a cock with your double talk mkay.Turquoise wrote:
Generally speaking, drama queen refers better to people that make a big deal out of other people making a big deal out of something, when the said person has no substantial defense for their own criticism of someone else's point.usmarine2 wrote:
oh christ. drama queen
The EPA hates diesels and for some reason loves hybrids. I think it has to do with the lobbyists from Detroit and big oil. Detroit wants to keep things simple and cookie cutter with a gas engine in every car and not bother having multiple type of power plants like gas, diesel, electric and hybrid or having a lot of competition from Europe where lots of cars are diesel. Big oil doesn't like veggie oil because they are not in the loop and don't get a buck and if you use waste veggie oil its practically free.
Hell the EPA didn't even want VW to advertise the fact that TDI Jettas and golfs get 49 mpg. The EPA consistently underates diesels, and state that VW TDI only get 35 mpg. While at the same time the EPA was over estimating Hybrids and advertisements were stating 60 plus MPG.
I think that the EPA and everyone else is afraid that people will start falling off of the grid and that they will have to think outside the box in order to generate revenue. The future is an annual road tax based on mileage driven.
In short, it does not surprise me that the EPA considers veggie oil in cars to be illegal even though its cleaner than real diesel. The EPA needs to catch up and while they are back there they might as well kiss my A$$.
Hell the EPA didn't even want VW to advertise the fact that TDI Jettas and golfs get 49 mpg. The EPA consistently underates diesels, and state that VW TDI only get 35 mpg. While at the same time the EPA was over estimating Hybrids and advertisements were stating 60 plus MPG.
I think that the EPA and everyone else is afraid that people will start falling off of the grid and that they will have to think outside the box in order to generate revenue. The future is an annual road tax based on mileage driven.
In short, it does not surprise me that the EPA considers veggie oil in cars to be illegal even though its cleaner than real diesel. The EPA needs to catch up and while they are back there they might as well kiss my A$$.
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Detroit already has gas, diesel, hybrid, and soon electric ... but I agree the EPA is annoying in more ways than one.
This thread fails, it is not illegal anywhere in the US to run your vehicle on veggie oil. It is in no way tax evasion, use your heads.
Vegetable oil is pretty logical. Why exactly is it illegal? I know over here there was a program where these two girls converted their normal petrol / diesel car into one running on vegetable oil - it can fine. Hell, you can even dunk a computer into it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZ8L1Prl6tk
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The govt hates when they cant tax you for something that they cant control. Thats why it is illegal.
If it was illegal you may have been correct, but until then you fail.The#1Spot wrote:
The govt hates when they cant tax you for something that they cant control. Thats why it is illegal.
^typical fascistusmarine2 wrote:
I guess the main point is, it is illegal. Don't like it? Well, don't let the door hit ya.
we do?Mek-Stizzle wrote:
Be glad we live in countries where we at least have a chance of trying to get laws changed.usmarine2 wrote:
So the govt did their job and enforced the law and you are pissed?
ah, yes. agreed.mek-stizzle wrote:
You're telling people to either stick with the law or get out, that shit is more like China or Iran. Actually they just lock you up or kill you.
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^typical "cry baby the govt is out to get me"Marinejuana wrote:
^typical fascist
The conversion of an automobile engine to burn vegetable oil is not legal under US Environmental Protection Agency guidelines.[9] The EPA has not fined anyone for doing so, but certain laws may have to change — or a certification process may need to be established — before VO conversions become more popular in the US. WikipediaLotta_Drool wrote:
If it was illegal you may have been correct, but until then you fail.The#1Spot wrote:
The govt hates when they cant tax you for something that they cant control. Thats why it is illegal.
you fail
Since when did you care about sources?usmarine2 wrote:
Ummm... my defense is that it is illegal and the law is enforced. He provided no link to the OP. Well, but nobody jumps on him for it. So whatever. Go eat a cock with your double talk mkay.Turquoise wrote:
Generally speaking, drama queen refers better to people that make a big deal out of other people making a big deal out of something, when the said person has no substantial defense for their own criticism of someone else's point.usmarine2 wrote:
oh christ. drama queen
its common knowledge all diesels run on veg oil
Meh, according to Bubbalo, I'm a murderer if I kill a burgular inside my home in self-defense -sooo murder is legal.Mek-Stizzle wrote:
Be glad we live in countries where we at least have a chance of trying to get laws changed. You're telling people to either stick with the law or get out, that shit is more like China or Iran. Actually they just lock you up or kill you.usmarine2 wrote:
So the govt did their job and enforced the law and you are pissed?
It's not like you're trying to legalise murder. I'd tell someone to gtfo of they tried to go for that too.
I stood in line for four hours. They better give me a Wal-Mart gift card, or something. - Rodney Booker, Job Fair attendee.
read [9], if you know how to read.The#1Spot wrote:
The conversion of an automobile engine to burn vegetable oil is not legal under US Environmental Protection Agency guidelines.[9] The EPA has not fined anyone for doing so, but certain laws may have to change — or a certification process may need to be established — before VO conversions become more popular in the US. WikipediaLotta_Drool wrote:
If it was illegal you may have been correct, but until then you fail.The#1Spot wrote:
The govt hates when they cant tax you for something that they cant control. Thats why it is illegal.
you fail
I dont. Once again you miss the point.Turquoise wrote:
Since when did you care about sources?usmarine2 wrote:
Ummm... my defense is that it is illegal and the law is enforced. He provided no link to the OP. Well, but nobody jumps on him for it. So whatever. Go eat a cock with your double talk mkay.Turquoise wrote:
Generally speaking, drama queen refers better to people that make a big deal out of other people making a big deal out of something, when the said person has no substantial defense for their own criticism of someone else's point.
You must care enough to bring it up. Anyway, do you think the law is justified?usmarine2 wrote:
I dont. Once again you miss the point.Turquoise wrote:
Since when did you care about sources?usmarine2 wrote:
Ummm... my defense is that it is illegal and the law is enforced. He provided no link to the OP. Well, but nobody jumps on him for it. So whatever. Go eat a cock with your double talk mkay.
The original diesel engines ran on peanut oil but it was more expensive then diesel (it was clean unused oil).
I care enough to point out the glaring hypocrisy.Turquoise wrote:
You must care enough to bring it up. Anyway, do you think the law is justified?
I dont know if it is just. I do not know enough about it. I can tell you it aint worth it up north due to the cold. Maybe they have their reasons? They dont want stranded cars all over half the country on a cold day in November?
I just figured it was the government overreaching their authority by telling us what we can put in our cars. If it's a pollution issue, I understand, but other than that, doesn't it seem a bit nanny-state-ish?usmarine2 wrote:
I care enough to point out the glaring hypocrisy.Turquoise wrote:
You must care enough to bring it up. Anyway, do you think the law is justified?
I dont know if it is just. I do not know enough about it. I can tell you it aint worth it up north due to the cold. Maybe they have their reasons? They dont want stranded cars all over half the country on a cold day in November?