BF2S Forums More Unrepresentative 'Democracy' in Europe

Czech government is crazy. They don't care what the majority of population thinks/wants they just wanna suck up to US. Poles are the same. Just a matter of time until missile silos are set in Poland.

rammunition wrote:

Now the U.S have a missile system in our faces coming soon, as i was saying it doesn't seem long now before Europe is attacked by the U.S for their campaign for world domination. If a nation refuses to bend over facing west they will be now bombed.

Russia should once and for all end this campaign of terror by the U.S

You really think the US is trying to take over the world?

Kmarion wrote:

"An opinion poll" last month showed 68 percent of Czechs were against the shield, while only 24 percent supported it.

What were parameters/conditions of the poll? Shouldn't this be considered before declaring the death of a democracy?

I can't imagine why Czechs would want to turn themselves into a big fat target sign for Russia unnecessarily. I can't see why they shouldn't be offered the referendum they ask for given the massive importance of this unnecessary venture. Are poll margins of error generally +/-18%?









"Czech newspapers are full of headlines saying there is no longer a need for missile defense," said Tomas Klvana, the Czech government's coordinator for missile defense communication, who is in Washington for talks with administration officials and lawmakers. "It is hard for complex arguments to win against simple headlines."

Doesn't sound like ordinary Czechs on the ground want it much on the evidence of Tomas Klvana....

Last edited by CameronPoe (2008-07-08 16:05:08)

Generally poll figures include those types of parameters. A few randomly searched jpegs on the internet does not tell me much about how the poll was conducted. I could show you a picture of big foot on mars. It doesn't make it necessarily true.

Kmarion wrote:

Generally poll figures include those types of parameters. A few randomly searched jpegs on the internet does not tell me much about how the poll was conducted. I could show you a picture of big foot on mars. It doesn't make it necessarily true.

From March 2007.

According to the latest poll conducted by the STEM polling agency and released on public
Czech television (CT) on Sunday, most Czechs or some 70 percent oppose the stationing of the
U.S. radar on Czech territory, while 30 percent support the idea. The poll also shows that the
public interest in this issue has been rising.

I checked out STEM and they seem to be the polling agency of choice for many Prague and Czech journals, and evidently of state TV.... They're pretty much like Gallup or some other such agency.

You don't think the missile negotiators downbeat attitude in the previous post is telling?????????

Tell you what: present me with evidence that the radar is popular amongst Czechs. How does that sound?

Last edited by CameronPoe (2008-07-08 16:17:23)

Mek-Stizzle wrote:

That's what I'd rather see, Czech people trying to do something.

Not Russia coming in and talking about how they'll kill everyone, wtf yo, chill the fuck out

Kmarion wrote:

a picture of big foot on mars

HOLY SHIT

This is the world we live in now. I'd love to see my Government stop, or at the very least search, US military flights through Shannon but what am I supposed to do, the last person who took a proactive approach to the problem got a shitload of hassle in court over it.

Major.League.Infidel wrote:

rammunition wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

Rammunition, try not to derail this thread.

PS Did you see what Russia did to Chechnya? Reign of terror much?

yes, don't get me wrong, i don't support Russia or anything but will defend their stance on this issue

rammunition wrote:

Russia should once and for all end this campaign of terror by the U.S

rammunition wrote:

Russia seem to be the only TRUE Europeans left, they are standing up for OUR FREEDOM from this plague.....We should be standing side by side with Russia ,in using force if necessary, to protect our freedom

rammunition wrote:

i laugh at this plague which kills people from nations that are poor, then think they own this planet, only if Russia/China/Iran annihilate this plague (kill the source and the world would have peace)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c … aganda.jpg

/PWNED GTFO

CameronPoe wrote:

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/rtrs/20080708/twl-uk-shield-usa-bd5ae06.html

The Czech government have signed a deal with the US to allow the US to build a radar station on their soil. 68% of Czechs are against such a brazen compromise of sovereignty, irrespective of whatever financial benefits the station will entail. Yet another example of the fallacy of 'representative democracy' in the EU. I hope for their sake that their parliament blocks it when it goes to the floor. The only saving grace is that the ruling party have only 100 of the 200 seats.

what is it with you and the downfall of representative democracy lately ? this lisbon treaty referendum really got to you, didn't it ?

fact of the matter is, the people elected this government to speak on their behalf, and that's what they're doing. The US has many bases and even military installations outside their own territory, and no one gave a damn about those either.

I am pretty sure the czech government believes that this treaty is in the best interest of their nation. They probably see this as a good opportunity to align themselves more closely with the west, as opposed to moving closer to the superpower to the east.

Wether this decision has served them well we will see in the next election.

don't get me wrong here, I am a strong supporter of more direct democracy, but if you want that, you'll need to find proper criteria, and at this point, given the complexity of these issues, I am not so sure what those criteria should be, and wether polls should play a role in determining if a referendum is needed.