Iran and the whole "wipe Israel off the map" (and some other things)

2008-07-09 09:05:34

#1

Mekstizzle: WALKER; +3,611|7042|London, England

Right. Whenever people talk about Iran having nukes and shit, they always bring up the point that Jadders said that he wants to "Wipe Israel off the map"

Now

Did he really say that?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmoud_Ah … ranslation

According to Juan Cole, a University of Michigan Professor of Modern Middle East and South Asian History, Ahmadinejad's statement should be translated as:

The Imam said that this regime occupying Jerusalem (een rezhim-e eshghalgar-e qods) must [vanish from] the page of time (bayad az safheh-ye ruzgar mahv shavad).[12]

Norouzi's translation is identical.[11] According to Cole, "Ahmadinejad did not say he was going to 'wipe Israel off the map' because no such idiom exists in Persian". Instead, "He did say he hoped its regime, i.e., a Jewish-Zionist state occupying Jerusalem, would collapse."[13]

I know it's Wikipedia, read the links given by the numbered citations in the article if you want real websites/sources.

So basically, when people bring up the fact that Iran wants Israel wiped off the map, it's bullshit.

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Now I'm not one to defend this dinner jacket cunt, but according to the BBC:

But Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has insisted his country had no intention of attacking Israel.

Speaking on a visit to Malaysia on Tuesday, Mr Ahmadinejad said Iran did not fear an attack by the US or Israel over its nuclear activities, dismissing the possibility as a "joke".

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Ok, and one more thing:

Why is it that when Israel carries out exercises replicating an Iranian invasion, that nobody says anything, but when Iran does some missile testing everyone kicks up a shit storm? Kinda fucked up tbh.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle … 498214.stm

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Personally, Iran can have nukes for all I care. Maybe all this bullshit rhetoric will stop once both sides know that they can be destroyed (you know, M.A.D and all that)

Hmm, that's about all I've got to say for now.

2008-07-09 09:10:48

#2

m3thod: All kiiiiiiiiinds of gainz; +2,197|7093|UK

I had a omelette for breakfast today, i fOLDed it real nice and nom nom nom'ed it down.

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2008-07-09 09:14:25

#3

THE_EYE: Banned; +76|6227|Amsterdam, NY

m3thod wrote:
I had a omelette for breakfast today, i fOLDed it real nice and nom nom nom'ed it down.

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2008-07-09 09:18:37

#4

ATG: Banned; +5,233|6951|Global Command

# 2 & 3

I think that people who deal in oil benefit financially any time a sabre is rattled.

Low level conflict makes a lot of people rich.

2008-07-09 09:18:41

#5

CaptainSpaulding71: Member; +119|6778|CA, USA

it's interesting that this guy says in persian that he wishes the zionist regime collapses all while juxtaposing this speech with the crowd burning the american and israeli flags, hanging bush in effigy, shouting 'death-to-the-usa', etc. what's the whole message we are supposed to gather from all this? i mean we can all put two and two together, right?

2008-07-09 09:24:40

#6

unnamednewbie13: Moderator; +2,072|7193|PNW

Mek-Stizzle wrote:
Instead, "He did say he hoped its regime, i.e., a Jewish-Zionist state occupying Jerusalem, would collapse."[13]

...no doubt to be replaced with an Islamic state.

2008-07-09 09:50:30

#7

Pug: UR father's brother's nephew's former roommate; +652|6963|Texas - Bigger than France

I love this argument. Iran & Israel aren't pals. Open warfare is happening via proxy. So what Amjadmeden said is really like asking "would you rather die by poison gas or lethal injection"?

On a side note, can't we get some more English names for foreign leaders? Or at least use a symbol like Prince uses?

2008-07-09 10:23:13

#8

Kmar: Truth is my Bitch; +5,695|7022|132 and Bush

http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?id=75579
http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?id=69656
http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?id=63383
K got it.

Xbone Stormsurgezz

2008-07-09 10:55:31

#9

Mekstizzle: WALKER; +3,611|7042|London, England

Well it's odd, because 4 topics now and people still bring it up.

2008-07-09 10:58:07

#10

Poseidon: Fudgepack DeQueef; +3,253|6959|Long Island, New York

He thinks the possibility of the US or Israel attacking is a "joke"?

Yeah, turning your country into glass...ok, if you want that to be taken as a joke, sure.

2008-07-09 11:24:40

#11

Kmar: Truth is my Bitch; +5,695|7022|132 and Bush

Mek-Stizzle wrote:
Well it's odd, because 4 topics now and people still bring it up.

Selective reading me thinks.

Xbone Stormsurgezz

2008-07-09 11:52:23

#12

God Save the Queen: Banned; +628|6765|tropical regions of london

THE_EYE wrote:
m3thod wrote:
I had a omelette for breakfast today, i fOLDed it real nice and nom nom nom'ed it down.

where!?!?

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2008-07-09 11:54:46

#13

God Save the Queen: Banned; +628|6765|tropical regions of london

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2008-07-09 12:25:38

#14

Pug: UR father's brother's nephew's former roommate; +652|6963|Texas - Bigger than France

rammunition wrote:
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/11/weekinreview/11bronner.html?partner=rssnyt&emc=rss

The rumour that Ahmadinejad *didn't* call for Israel to be "wiped off the map" was started by two left-wing political activists and has been debunked by a variety of sources, including President Ahmadinejad's own website.

My God you're right.

2008-07-09 12:41:10

#15

FatherTed: xD; +3,936|6922|so randum

Basically, Meks read my mind, and posted it better than i could.

All you clever people probably understand it better than me, but why can Israel have nukes and shit, and Iran can't?

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2008-07-09 12:50:20

#16

13rin: Member; +977|6901

FatherTed wrote:
Basically, Meks read my mind, and posted it better than i could.

All you clever people probably understand it better than me, but why can Israel have nukes and shit, and Iran can't?

Iran is nuts.

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2008-07-09 12:52:28

#17

THE_EYE: Banned; +76|6227|Amsterdam, NY

God Save the Queen wrote:
THE_EYE wrote:
m3thod wrote:
I had a omelette for breakfast today, i fOLDed it real nice and nom nom nom'ed it down.
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where!?!?

I dunno lol

2008-07-09 12:53:00

#18

God Save the Queen: Banned; +628|6765|tropical regions of london

persian women are so god damn fine

2008-07-09 12:56:06

#19

rammunition: Fully Loaded; +143|6283

DBBrinson1 wrote:
FatherTed wrote:
Basically, Meks read my mind, and posted it better than i could.

All you clever people probably understand it better than me, but why can Israel have nukes and shit, and Iran can't?
Iran is nuts.

Iran hasn't attacked anyone in 200 years. It has signed the NPT and is allowing inspections. Israel has nukes and has not signed the NPT and is not allowing inspections. Israel is in breach of over 60 UN resolutions, and is the only country on earth extending its lawful borders (in a broadly easterly direction).

2008-07-09 12:57:22

#20

God Save the Queen: Banned; +628|6765|tropical regions of london

so terrorist bombings and embassy take overs arent attacks? in case you dont know, an embassy in foreign country is on its own sovereign territory, not the host nation's.

2008-07-09 13:03:06

#21

M.O.A.B: 'Light 'em up!'; +1,220|6644|Escea

rammunition wrote:
DBBrinson1 wrote:
FatherTed wrote:
Basically, Meks read my mind, and posted it better than i could.

All you clever people probably understand it better than me, but why can Israel have nukes and shit, and Iran can't?
Iran is nuts.
Iran hasn't attacked anyone in 200 years. It has signed the NPT and is allowing inspections. Israel has nukes and has not signed the NPT and is not allowing inspections. Israel is in breach of over 60 UN resolutions, and is the only country on earth extending its lawful borders (in a broadly easterly direction).

It signed the NPT and is also breaking it.

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