Note to all: Just because your beloved Fox doesn't cover Muslim condemnation of terror doesn't mean it doesn't happen.
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not with the same zeal that they condemn a cartoon........perhaps that is something you should come to grips with.....because I have shown youCameronPoe wrote:
I've showed and am showing you, and I can go on all night, that THEY ARE AND HAVE BEEN CONDEMNING TERROR. GET IT THROUGH YOUR THICK STUBBORN MOTHERFUCKING SKULL. USE YOUR EYES, CLICK THE LINKS, READ THE WORDS, WAKE THE FUCK UP.lowing wrote:
Welllll, I do know of the reality of the Islamic world and their outrage over cartoons, yet eerily and comparatively silent over the beheadings of innocent people....It is YOU who will not acknowledge reality...and that is the reality of it.CameronPoe wrote:
Despite all the evidence to the contrary - not one mainstream organisation condoning beheadings or suicide bombings - lowing, with his entrenched stubborness, will hold fast to his erroneous thought deeply ingrained bigotry. There really is no point debating with you lowing. Even when presented with facts, declarations, the works, you just won't fucking acknowledge reality.
Nope calling the people guilty of this "beloved brothers" ...................is a bad thingCameronPoe wrote:
Let me get this straight: condemning the killing of civilians is a bad thing??lowing wrote:
"I'm ... appealing to ... brothers in al-Qaeda organization everywhere," Ibrahim's statement said. "I'm appealing to you to stop and review your stances, to put your effort, the Jihad (holy war) ... in the right place and time, away from infighting among Muslims ... away from killing civilians, both Muslims and non Muslims."
Sheesh even Hezbollah are condemning the beheading of civilians:
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/bre … king71.htm
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/bre … king71.htm
And then what happened after the condemnation? They bulldozed the memorial to those who martyred themselves by strapping themselves up with C-4? The decided to stop funding the "retirement plan" for families of martyrs? Is Iran hunting Al Qaeda right now, but it's not well covered by Fox?CameronPoe wrote:
Note to all: Just because your beloved Fox doesn't cover Muslim condemnation of terror doesn't mean it doesn't happen.
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Yeah, why waste an innocent life on a beheading when they make great shields to launch attacks from.CameronPoe wrote:
Sheesh even Hezbollah are condemning the beheading of civilians:
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/bre … king71.htm
Condemming the act of beheadings on the way to bomb an Israeli shopping mall is a great way to let people know you are against corporal punishment of an unarmed soldier.
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Which nation provides a retirement plan for martyrs? Pakistan isn't helping out in the war on terror, getting its own muslim soldiers killed in the Northwest Frontier? Afghans and Iraqis aren't serving in the new governments' armies? What now?Pug wrote:
And then what happened after the condemnation? They bulldozed the memorial to those who martyred themselves by strapping themselves up with C-4? The decided to stop funding the "retirement plan" for families of martyrs? Is Iran hunting Al Qaeda right now, but it's not well covered by Fox?
Iran has a fund set up. I'm not looking it up...remember I'm the lazy one.CameronPoe wrote:
Which nation provides a retirement plan for martyrs? Pakistan isn't helping out in the war on terror, getting its own muslim soldiers killed in the Northwest Frontier? Afghans and Iraqis aren't serving in the new governments' armies? What now?Pug wrote:
And then what happened after the condemnation? They bulldozed the memorial to those who martyred themselves by strapping themselves up with C-4? The decided to stop funding the "retirement plan" for families of martyrs? Is Iran hunting Al Qaeda right now, but it's not well covered by Fox?
But good point, SOME countries have done more than a condemnation.
Most Islamic countries have provided intelligence to the US and others. If Muslims are as bad as you guys make out then how comes millions of westerners visit Egypt, Morocco, Tunisia, Turkey and Jordan every year with 99.99999999999% returning safe and sound?Pug wrote:
Iran has a fund set up. I'm not looking it up...remember I'm the lazy one.
But good point, SOME countries have done more than a condemnation.
Theyr'e not as potty, give or take.CameronPoe wrote:
Most Islamic countries have provided intelligence to the US and others. If Muslims are as bad as you guys make out then how comes millions of westerners visit Egypt, Morocco, Tunisia, Turkey and Jordan every year with 99.99999999999% returning safe and sound?Pug wrote:
Iran has a fund set up. I'm not looking it up...remember I'm the lazy one.
But good point, SOME countries have done more than a condemnation.
Most of them have met very few Muslims in their lives or know any in general. Oh, and if Muslims were that bad we would of taken over the world already.CameronPoe wrote:
Most Islamic countries have provided intelligence to the US and others. If Muslims are as bad as you guys make out then how comes millions of westerners visit Egypt, Morocco, Tunisia, Turkey and Jordan every year with 99.99999999999% returning safe and sound?Pug wrote:
Iran has a fund set up. I'm not looking it up...remember I'm the lazy one.
But good point, SOME countries have done more than a condemnation.
To Lowing...
Why do you only ever acknowledge Muslims when they get together in crowds to shout about cartoons and not when they attempt to voice their disapproval of terrorism to the media (who funnily enough never give these opinions much air time)? Cam has given you several links and you nit-pick them for faults or just plain dismiss them.
Where are the mass protests against the Iraq war amongst American citizens...the war waged on the promises of WMD's that has been responsible for thousands of deaths, the ruining of millions of lives and the conversion of Iraq into a melting pot of ethnic tension?
Why do you only ever acknowledge Muslims when they get together in crowds to shout about cartoons and not when they attempt to voice their disapproval of terrorism to the media (who funnily enough never give these opinions much air time)? Cam has given you several links and you nit-pick them for faults or just plain dismiss them.
Where are the mass protests against the Iraq war amongst American citizens...the war waged on the promises of WMD's that has been responsible for thousands of deaths, the ruining of millions of lives and the conversion of Iraq into a melting pot of ethnic tension?
Two years ago you told me I should be more worried about Saudia Arabia's support of Al Qaeda instead of being worried about Iraq.CameronPoe wrote:
Most Islamic countries have provided intelligence to the US and others. If Muslims are as bad as you guys make out then how comes millions of westerners visit Egypt, Morocco, Tunisia, Turkey and Jordan every year with 99.99999999999% returning safe and sound?
Now you are telling me that there's only a handful of bad squirrels out there?
I have the same opinion as you BTW - there's absolutely no way terrorism cannot be fought, especially when 2/3rds of the muslim world do nothing actively to prevent it from happening.
But I guess if tourists don't get hurt then it justifies everything. Hey, here's a thought - would a terrorist rather pick a family from Missouri visiting the Pyramids or a white limo with US diplomatic plates? You think they'd actually take a risk like that on some folks from St. Louis?
The facts are that there are very few Islamic nutjobs, but their impact is felt worldwide. Yes there is some overreaction...by both sides. But what exactly are the Muslims doing to deter the action? Nothing, in fact, many fund it or turn a blind eye.
Go ahead and criticize all you want, you sit on the side. And therefore, the outcome will not be decided by you.
Yes it is. You cannot claim hurtfullness as a reason to infringe free speech. By that logic, how can we have these arguments? Someone might get hurt, after all.oug wrote:
actually it does kind of infringe on other peoples' happiness etc (especially if they're black or Jewish 'n so on )... so in that sense it's not really a freedom of speech thing...lowing wrote:
however, it is an expression of free speech and does not infringe on anothers right to life liberty and happiness.
Wrong. Private and public schools have exactly the same right to enforce dress codes, and exactly the same right to deal with infringements. The only difference is that in public schools the upper management also makes laws: which is a separate issue.deeznutz1245 wrote:
Um, no. Very relevant. Public school would mean public property which would mean in order for the authorities to get involved she would have had to have broken a law regardless of what the dress code states. A schools dress code does not superceed a written state staute therefore it would mean the school would remove her and the family would in turn file suit with the state on the grounds of discrimination and violation of her right to the first amendment. Thus meaning the police had absolutely no right to remove her.ZombieVampire! wrote:
Irrelevant. Both had the right to enforce a dress code and force the student to remove it, but in neither case should the child have been removed.
A private school is public domain, however, still remains private property and could remove or expell at their discretion. That would be a civil matter versus a criminal matter. Every action has a reaction. For the police to mandate her removal, either she is breaking the law or they are for requiring her to unconstitutionaly void her rights. That would be criminal. The school asking her to leave is their legal right if it is a private one, they would just have to face civil charges.
Because it isn't the leader out for political gains and favor who is doing the protesting, all they do is make a speech telling everyone what they wanna hear. The protesters/rioters are the real pulse, the lack of response from the Muslim people as to what is felt about some things and the overblown reactions about others is the real puls of the Islamic world.Braddock wrote:
To Lowing...
Why do you only ever acknowledge Muslims when they get together in crowds to shout about cartoons and not when they attempt to voice their disapproval of terrorism to the media (who funnily enough never give these opinions much air time)? Cam has given you several links and you nit-pick them for faults or just plain dismiss them.
Where are the mass protests against the Iraq war amongst American citizens...the war waged on the promises of WMD's that has been responsible for thousands of deaths, the ruining of millions of lives and the conversion of Iraq into a melting pot of ethnic tension?
If the protesters/rioters can change the world's attitude over a fucking cartoon OVERNIGHT. Tell me why these same protesters can do NOTHING about the "few" terrorists out there who commit acts of violence in the name of their religion.
Could it be, because they are not so inclined to do so?
lowing. I am an Irish Republican. I do not condone the killing of civilians in the name of achieving a 32 county Republic. All throughout my life many many bombings, beatings, shootings and maimings of civilians took place at the hands of the PIRA and offshoots thereof in the name of a 32 county Republic. I never, not once, took to the streets to protest even though they purported to be doing this in my name, for the cause of the 32 county Republic. Why? Because the PIRA does not represent who I am or what I believe in. I don't believe the PIRA represents true honorable Republicanism. For me to protest would be to accept some kind of shared responsibility for their actions by virtue of the fact I'm an Irish Republican, which I do not accept as having. On the other hand if Orangemen wished to parade down my street I would protest vehemently, even though I'm not a member of and do not endorse the PIRA.
Now replace the words 'Irish Republican' with 'Muslim', '32 county Republic' with 'hardline Islamic world dominance', 'PIRA' with 'Al Qaeda' and 'Republicanism' with 'the true practice of my religion'. Also replace 'Orangement wished to parade down my street' with 'someone published derogatory cartoons of the prophet Muhammed'.
QED, game, set and match.
* Orangemen are a bigoted organisation who don sashes and swords during July every year and march through Republican neighbourhoods beating triumphalist drums. It's extremely symbolic - like the Mohammed cartoons.
Having said all that, we have provided you with ample examples of Islamic condemnation of atrocities even from such hypocritical entities as Hamas and Hizbollah. As such, I don't know why I bothered making this particular post.
Now replace the words 'Irish Republican' with 'Muslim', '32 county Republic' with 'hardline Islamic world dominance', 'PIRA' with 'Al Qaeda' and 'Republicanism' with 'the true practice of my religion'. Also replace 'Orangement wished to parade down my street' with 'someone published derogatory cartoons of the prophet Muhammed'.
QED, game, set and match.
* Orangemen are a bigoted organisation who don sashes and swords during July every year and march through Republican neighbourhoods beating triumphalist drums. It's extremely symbolic - like the Mohammed cartoons.
Having said all that, we have provided you with ample examples of Islamic condemnation of atrocities even from such hypocritical entities as Hamas and Hizbollah. As such, I don't know why I bothered making this particular post.
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That's it in a nutshell lowing.CameronPoe wrote:
lowing. I am an Irish Republican. I do not condone the killing of civilians in the name of achieving a 32 county Republic. All throughout my life many many bombings, beatings, shootings and maimings of civilians took place at the hands of the PIRA and offshoots thereof in the name of a 32 county Republic. I never, not once, took to the streets to protest even though they purported to be doing this in my name, for the cause of the 32 county Republic. Why? Because the PIRA does not represent who I am or what I believe in. I don't believe the PIRA represents true honorable Republicanism. For me to protest would be to accept some kind of shared responsibility for their actions by virtue of the fact I'm an Irish Republican, which I do not accept as having. On the other hand if Orangemen wished to parade down my street I would protest vehemently, even though I'm not a member of and do not endorse the PIRA.
Now replace the words 'Irish Republican' with 'Muslim', '32 county Republic' with 'hardline Islamic world dominance', 'PIRA' with 'Al Qaeda' and 'Republicanism' with 'the true practice of my religion'. Also replace 'Orangement wished to parade down my street' with 'someone published derogatory cartoons of the prophet Muhammed'.
QED, game, set and match.
* Orangemen are a bigoted organisation who don sashes and swords during July every year and march through Republican neighbourhoods beating triumphalist drums. It's extremely symbolic - like the Mohammed cartoons.
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That is fine, but if you do not protest the killings of civilians in the name of your cause, yet you protest a cartoon that represents the hypocrisy that is shown by your cause, you have spoken volumes as to what behavior you endorse...Braddock wrote:
That's it in a nutshell lowing.CameronPoe wrote:
lowing. I am an Irish Republican. I do not condone the killing of civilians in the name of achieving a 32 county Republic. All throughout my life many many bombings, beatings, shootings and maimings of civilians took place at the hands of the PIRA and offshoots thereof in the name of a 32 county Republic. I never, not once, took to the streets to protest even though they purported to be doing this in my name, for the cause of the 32 county Republic. Why? Because the PIRA does not represent who I am or what I believe in. I don't believe the PIRA represents true honorable Republicanism. For me to protest would be to accept some kind of shared responsibility for their actions by virtue of the fact I'm an Irish Republican, which I do not accept as having. On the other hand if Orangemen wished to parade down my street I would protest vehemently, even though I'm not a member of and do not endorse the PIRA.
Now replace the words 'Irish Republican' with 'Muslim', '32 county Republic' with 'hardline Islamic world dominance', 'PIRA' with 'Al Qaeda' and 'Republicanism' with 'the true practice of my religion'. Also replace 'Orangement wished to parade down my street' with 'someone published derogatory cartoons of the prophet Muhammed'.
QED, game, set and match.
* Orangemen are a bigoted organisation who don sashes and swords during July every year and march through Republican neighbourhoods beating triumphalist drums. It's extremely symbolic - like the Mohammed cartoons.
game set match
Lets not also forget that the internet is full of stories an articles thst basically says YOU are fulla shit, if you think Islam is a peaceful tolerant respectful religion. So if you wanna have a "link war" I can most definately participate.
I don't fucking protest the cartoon - I would protest the Orange march. Try reading for a change. I think I made my sentiments on the killing of civilians quite absolutely crystal clear also, ignore it if it makes you feel better. People have better things to be doing with their time than protesting the acts of callous idiots to which you have no affiliation. Some people have jobs ye know lowing.lowing wrote:
That is fine, but if you do not protest the killings of civilians in the name of your cause, yet you protest a cartoon that represents the hypocrisy that is shown by your cause, you have spoken volumes as to what behavior you endorse...
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I take it you protested vehemently when all the stories about torture at Abu Ghraib, soldiers using the Koran for target practice and Blackwater contractors killing with impunity made the news?lowing wrote:
That is fine, but if you do not protest the killings of civilians in the name of your cause, yet you protest a cartoon that represents the hypocrisy that is shown by your cause, you have spoken volumes as to what behavior you endorse...
game set match
Lets not also forget that the internet is full of stories an articles thst basically says YOU are fulla shit, if you think Islam is a peaceful tolerant respectful religion. So if you wanna have a "link war" I can most definately participate.
Yes or no?
That is fine, but if you do not protest the killings of civilians in the name of your cause, yet you protest a cartoon that represents the hypocrisy that is shown by your cause, you have spoken volumes as to what behavior you endorse...CameronPoe wrote:
I don't fucking protest the cartoon - I would protest the Orange march. Try reading for a change. I think I made my sentiments on the killing of civilians quite absolutely crystal clear also, ignore it if it makes you feel better. People have better things to be doing with their time than protesting the acts of callous idiots to which you have no affiliation. Some people have jobs ye know lowing.lowing wrote:
That is fine, but if you do not protest the killings of civilians in the name of your cause, yet you protest a cartoon that represents the hypocrisy that is shown by your cause, you have spoken volumes as to what behavior you endorse...
I take it you protested vehemently when all the stories about torture at Abu Ghraib, soldiers using the Koran for target practice and Blackwater contractors killing with impunity made the news?lowing wrote:
That is fine, but if you do not protest the killings of civilians in the name of your cause, yet you protest a cartoon that represents the hypocrisy that is shown by your cause, you have spoken volumes as to what behavior you endorse...CameronPoe wrote:
I don't fucking protest the cartoon - I would protest the Orange march. Try reading for a change. I think I made my sentiments on the killing of civilians quite absolutely crystal clear also, ignore it if it makes you feel better. People have better things to be doing with their time than protesting the acts of callous idiots to which you have no affiliation. Some people have jobs ye know lowing.lowing wrote:
That is fine, but if you do not protest the killings of civilians in the name of your cause, yet you protest a cartoon that represents the hypocrisy that is shown by your cause, you have spoken volumes as to what behavior you endorse...
Yes or no?
Nope......Didn't give a fuck about a burlap bag on someone's head after beheading videos, and they were dealt with.Braddock wrote:
I take it you protested vehemently when all the stories about torture at Abu Ghraib, soldiers using the Koran for target practice and Blackwater contractors killing with impunity made the news?lowing wrote:
That is fine, but if you do not protest the killings of civilians in the name of your cause, yet you protest a cartoon that represents the hypocrisy that is shown by your cause, you have spoken volumes as to what behavior you endorse...
game set match
Lets not also forget that the internet is full of stories an articles thst basically says YOU are fulla shit, if you think Islam is a peaceful tolerant respectful religion. So if you wanna have a "link war" I can most definately participate.
Yes or no?
Didn't give a fuck about a soldier using a book for target practice, besides he was dealt with.
No need to protest blackwater........they were investigated and dealt with, by those who are more "in the know" to their actions than I.