both of you should elope to somaliaTurquoise wrote:
There are many things to like about Europe (universal healthcare, liberal social views, beautiful women), but beware of the EU. Some of the laws that the EU passes regarding privacy make the Patriot Act look like nothing.pyscofrawg wrote:
Just one of the many reasons I plan to move to Europe.
If you want to escape invasive government, you might want to consider Canada instead. They have their problems too, but for the most part, they allow you more privacy than most wealthy nations.
Germany:Which laws are you referring to Turq?
Storage of the data of every phone/mobile call and internet connection - only the connection data, not the contents, but just wait... - for at least six months.
Imbedding of biometric data - fingerprints, digital facial patterns etc. - into ID cards and passports of every (not just criminals) citizen - allegedly no central storage of these, but just wait...
Central register of every citizen - we already have this on a community basis and you have to "report" if you move to another city, for taxation reasons mostly... for now... - planned, but our Minister/Secretary of the Interior is all horny for this one.
Not to mention all these nice laws, that the music/film industry is crying for. These would lead to much more controlled internet and make censorship so much easier.
What? All I said was 'sadly he was on there.' The 'how the hell did we let this happen' referred to the passing of the FISA bill.The_Mac wrote:
Because Obama is not a messiah. He's a miserable politician who wants to strengthen the government, not unfold it.HurricaИe wrote:
Sadly, amongst the list of people who supported the bill, Obama was on there.
How the hell did we let this happen? Why?
Are people such tools that they can't see a man is not what he seems even if he exhudes all the sweetcheeks in the world? This post does a good job in exemplifying that kind of sentiment.
And no I never thought he was a messiah as you say, but he struck me as a more genuine politician (he was originally against passing retroactive immunity but he bent over and signed yes anyway).
Can't wait to move to Australia.
Why ya still here then? Buh bye.pyscofrawg wrote:
I just don't want to be associated with America. It is the worst, most awful, selfish, greedy, terrible country in the history of the world.
So you can complain about the Aboriginees?Thorax wrote:
Can't wait to move to Australia.
FISA only impacts your privacy if you're calling the NW tribal regions in Pakistan regularly, speaking in Pashtu or Arabic and saying "jihad" and "blood of the infidels" and whatnot.
If you're calling your bud to go grab a beer, you've got nothing to worry about...the intel agencies still can't tap domestic calls and other comm traffic without a warrant and oversight from DOJ.
If you're calling your bud to go grab a beer, you've got nothing to worry about...the intel agencies still can't tap domestic calls and other comm traffic without a warrant and oversight from DOJ.
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Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
I prefer minarchy, not anarchy.God Save the Queen wrote:
both of you should elope to somaliaTurquoise wrote:
There are many things to like about Europe (universal healthcare, liberal social views, beautiful women), but beware of the EU. Some of the laws that the EU passes regarding privacy make the Patriot Act look like nothing.pyscofrawg wrote:
Just one of the many reasons I plan to move to Europe.
If you want to escape invasive government, you might want to consider Canada instead. They have their problems too, but for the most part, they allow you more privacy than most wealthy nations.
Considering how Howard has enacted his own version of the Patriot Act for the Aussies, that's not necessarily the best move you can make. Even the new government under Rudd has continued to take Australia in the nanny state direction. Granted, there are many cool things about Australia as well. Namely, the women (or so I hear).Thorax wrote:
Can't wait to move to Australia.
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Yesterday, President Bush signed an unconstitutional domestic wiretapping bill and one hour later, ACLU lawyers filed a landmark lawsuit to challenge its constitutionality.
The fight over FISA now moves from Congress to the courts. And we need you to stand with us as we fight for freedom and the Constitution. Support the ACLU’s lawsuit to challenge this law as well as other crucial efforts to defend freedom by becoming an ACLU monthly donor.
If Congress and the Bush administration thought yesterday’s signing ceremony would be the end of this battle, they have severely underestimated the ACLU and its members’ resolve to stand up for freedom and the Constitution. If they can’t do it, we will.
The lawsuit was filed on behalf of an impressive array of professionals -- journalists, human rights organizations and lawyers -- whose ability to perform their work will be greatly compromised by this new law.
Our clients include The Nation magazine and two of its contributing journalists, Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, the Service Employees International Union (SEIU) and more.
Because of the nature of their calls and e-mails, our clients believe that their communications are likely to be monitored under the new law. Even the looming possibility of this surveillance disrupts their ability to talk with sources, locate witnesses, conduct scholarship, and engage in advocacy.
Don’t let Congress and the Bush administration infringe on their freedom -- or on yours. Become an ACLU monthly donor today.
Now is an especially important time for you to become a Guardian of Liberty. Not only can you help fund essential work fighting this unconstitutional legislation but your decision to make a monthly pledge can move us a giant step closer to our target of 2,000 new monthly supporters this month. If we reach that goal by July 31st, the ACLU will earn a $100,000 Matching Gift further strengthening our efforts to stand up for freedom as no other organization in America can.
As a Guardian of Liberty, you can join tens of thousands of your fellow citizens in donating a small amount each month to help the ACLU’s critical work in defense of the Constitution and Bill of Rights.
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toodlesThorax wrote:
Can't wait to move to Australia.
Oh, we're pretty close. And our intelligence agencies basically seem to copy and paste US reports.Thorax wrote:
Can't wait to move to Australia.
The government just wants spy on YOU. Did you know if you tune into foxnews the government can see you through your TV! Just yesterday I got a card from Obama telling me sorry for the loss of my dog that died, how the fuck did he know except he was listening to me talk to my Mom that bastard!HurricaИe wrote:
http://www.aclu.org/safefree/general/35928prs20080709.htmlSadly, amongst the list of people who supported the bill, Obama was on there.WASHINGTON – Today, in a blatant assault upon civil liberties and the right to privacy, the Senate passed an unconstitutional domestic spying bill that violates the Fourth Amendment and eliminates any meaningful role for judicial oversight of government surveillance. The FISA Amendments Act of 2008 was approved by a vote of 69 to 28 and is expected to be signed into law by President Bush shortly. This bill essentially legalizes the president’s unlawful warrantless wiretapping program revealed in December 2005 by the New York Times...
...The bill essentially grants absolute retroactive immunity to telecommunication companies that facilitated the president’s warrantless wiretapping program over the last seven years by ensuring the dismissal of court cases pending against those companies. The test for the companies’ right to immunity is not whether the government certifications they acted on were actually legal – only whether they were issued. Because it is public knowledge that certifications were issued, all of the pending cases will be summarily dismissed. This means Americans may never learn the truth about what the companies and the government did with our private communications.
“With one vote, Congress has strengthened the executive branch, weakened the judiciary and rendered itself irrelevant,” said Caroline Fredrickson, Director of the ACLU Washington Legislative Office. “This bill – soon to be law – is a constitutional nightmare. Americans should know that if this legislation is enacted and upheld, what they say on international phone calls or emails is no longer private. The government can listen in without having a specific reason to do so. Our rights as Americans have been curtailed and our privacy can no longer be assumed.”
How the hell did we let this happen? Why?
btw: Smoking weed a lot can cause paranoia, thus why the liberals are so freaked out about this.