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2008-07-12 11:50:54
ATG
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lowing wrote:

ATG wrote:

lowing wrote:

Well, now that we got THAT cleared up..........................how about addressing ALLLLLLLLL of the other people that get paid by govt. tax money or by companies that get paid by govt. tax money to pay their employees...........Quite a list of MERCENARIES" I have drawn up huh??
They are aka parasites.
lol


I take it you have no idea how re-god damn-diculous you are sounding right now?

you have "AKA", lost yer fuckin' mind

notice there are almost 500 views and only 49 posts..............Says a lot about how jacked up your view point is, even people that don't usually agree with me ain't gunna touch this bullshit of yours.
Sux to be you.
You must feel guilty.
Preaching about personal responsibility from Iraq, sending your government money home every month, building your future at the expense of the Iraqi people and the American taxpayer.

You make me sick.

I want you to take a good hard look at your life, and what you are doing and what the expenses are to all of us.

I doubt you will.
2008-07-12 11:51:41
God Save the Queen
Banned
+628|6818|tropical regions of london

Kmarion wrote:

God Save the Queen wrote:

Cheney has seen his value in Haliburton stock go up 4000% within the last 5 years.  There is something really wrong there.  He has no control of the company agenda, but he is still a share holder.
Cheney no longer has a financial interest in halliburton.. hasn't since before he took office. Cheney and his wife Lynne have donated all future profits from their stock options in Halliburton and several other companies to charity. Check it, it's public information.
http://lautenberg.senate.gov/documents/ … alties.pdf
http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/5506.html

Last edited by God Save the Queen (2008-07-12 11:52:42)

2008-07-12 11:59:31
apollo_fi
The Flying Kalakukko.
+94|7006|The lunar module

Kmarion wrote:

Anyone who thinks our involvement in the ME is based around supporting Halliburton stock is just not looking deep enough. (For the record hundreds of millions of dollars worth of construction contracts were also rewarded to Halliburton for rebuilding efforts in Kosovo and Haiti under Clinton.) Plywood sales go through the roof everytime a hurricane approaches. It doesn't mean that plywood causes hurricanes. That is rather shallow reasoning imo.
Plywood peddlers don't have the ear of someone with the power to start a hurricane.
2008-07-12 12:07:48
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|7076|132 and Bush

God Save the Queen wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

God Save the Queen wrote:

Cheney has seen his value in Haliburton stock go up 4000% within the last 5 years.  There is something really wrong there.  He has no control of the company agenda, but he is still a share holder.
Cheney no longer has a financial interest in halliburton.. hasn't since before he took office. Cheney and his wife Lynne have donated all future profits from their stock options in Halliburton and several other companies to charity. Check it, it's public information.
http://lautenberg.senate.gov/documents/ … alties.pdf
http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/5506.html
Your looking at half truths. Are you saying he hasn't given all future profits to charity? Lets debate this.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
2008-07-12 12:09:44
ATG
Banned
+5,233|7004|Global Command

apollo_fi wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

Anyone who thinks our involvement in the ME is based around supporting Halliburton stock is just not looking deep enough. (For the record hundreds of millions of dollars worth of construction contracts were also rewarded to Halliburton for rebuilding efforts in Kosovo and Haiti under Clinton.) Plywood sales go through the roof everytime a hurricane approaches. It doesn't mean that plywood causes hurricanes. That is rather shallow reasoning imo.
Plywood peddlers don't have the ear of someone with the power to start a hurricane.
QFE
2008-07-12 12:14:46
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|7076|132 and Bush

apollo_fi wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

Anyone who thinks our involvement in the ME is based around supporting Halliburton stock is just not looking deep enough. (For the record hundreds of millions of dollars worth of construction contracts were also rewarded to Halliburton for rebuilding efforts in Kosovo and Haiti under Clinton.) Plywood sales go through the roof everytime a hurricane approaches. It doesn't mean that plywood causes hurricanes. That is rather shallow reasoning imo.
Plywood peddlers don't have the ear of someone with the power to start a hurricane.
Must have been Clintons ear also. Halliburton was the most experienced and qualified company to take on the challenges in Iraq. To credit your statement we would have to give the job to a less competent company. I'll leave the mindless speculation to the guys who need simple answers to complex problems. The sad thing is the anti-Bush/Cheney crowd is so blinded by their anger that they miss the real nefarious reasons behind invasion.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
2008-07-12 12:18:09
ATG
Banned
+5,233|7004|Global Command

Kmarion wrote:

apollo_fi wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

Anyone who thinks our involvement in the ME is based around supporting Halliburton stock is just not looking deep enough. (For the record hundreds of millions of dollars worth of construction contracts were also rewarded to Halliburton for rebuilding efforts in Kosovo and Haiti under Clinton.) Plywood sales go through the roof everytime a hurricane approaches. It doesn't mean that plywood causes hurricanes. That is rather shallow reasoning imo.
Plywood peddlers don't have the ear of someone with the power to start a hurricane.
Must have been Clintons ear also. Halliburton was the most experienced and qualified company to take on the challenges in Iraq. To credit your statement we would have to give the job to a less competent company. I'll leave the mindless speculation to the guys who need simple answers to complex problems. The sad thing is the anti-Bush/Cheney crowd is so blinded by their anger that they miss the real nefarious reasons behind invasion.
So, explain how a less competent company even become part of the equation when we are dealing with no bid contracts?
2008-07-12 12:23:35
Lotta_Drool
Spit
+350|6658|Ireland

ATG wrote:

lowing wrote:

ATG wrote:


They are aka parasites.
lol


I take it you have no idea how re-god damn-diculous you are sounding right now?

you have "AKA", lost yer fuckin' mind

notice there are almost 500 views and only 49 posts..............Says a lot about how jacked up your view point is, even people that don't usually agree with me ain't gunna touch this bullshit of yours.
Sux to be you.
You must feel guilty.
Preaching about personal responsibility from Iraq, sending your government money home every month, building your future at the expense of the Iraqi people and the American taxpayer.

You make me sick.

I want you to take a good hard look at your life, and what you are doing and what the expenses are to all of us.

I doubt you will.
Quick Lowing, blow up a daycare facility for federal employee's children to get in ATG's good graces again!

You're fucking insane ATG.  When you are old and there is no social security for you, I hope you think back to what you have said here.

#1  I don't feel bad about cashing any government check and will take anything I can get from the government.  2.5 trillion a fucking year and they still can't get enough to balance the budget and have to up the retirement date for Social Security.  They bleed me dry with their temporary fed taxes, FICA, Mediscare......  and they will until the day I stop working which will be when I die.  Yeah, I'll take everything I can from the government and not feel bad.

#2  Yet just like Lowing I don't support all the government spending.  I don't support the bloated budget and stupid policies, but WHY THE FUCK WOULD I PUNISH MYSELF by not cashing a $2000 child tax credit from the government even though I think it is the stupidest fucking thing I ever seen?

#3  You know it is fucking Saturday?  I have to work thus why I am killing time on this forum.  Fuck spend some time with your family instead of making stupid posts.
2008-07-12 12:26:55
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7233|Argentina

lowing wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

lowing wrote:


Not hardly Serge. I do not work for the govt.

I guess when I was back at the airline you could/ would say the same thing since I fell under FAA regulations. It is a weak attempt to come up with an excuse for my successes and his apparent lack of them.

I guess by your definition, a mailman is a govt. leech as well, while the welfare recipient is not, since he isn't WORKING for the govt.

Gimme break with this line of bullshit.
Let me tell you I'm happy for your success and nobody is saying you doesn't deserve what you've earned.  But your company has been awarded a contract to work for the government, right?  In a warzone, right?  And they pay your company's contract with tax money, right?  And most of these contracts are always overpaid, maybe this is not the case.  So, your pay check comes from tax money.  I don't say it's wrong, I don't say it's ok.  When you worked for the airline, it probably felt under chapter 11, right?  That isn't the same thing.
Sorry Serge, I was called a mercenary for working for a company that has a govt. contract. When rhis contract is over, I will still be working for this company.My benefits are not from the govt. they are from my company. Look up Serge to the otherpost, a lot of people are paid by the govt. tax dollars based on your criteria. Do you still believe ATG's bullshit after reading that list?
I didn't call you a mercenary.  You should be more moderate when you talk about responsibility and understand that not everyone receiving the government's help is a leecher dude.  That's all.  Nobody thinks you don't deserve your job or anything.
2008-07-12 12:27:05
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|7076|132 and Bush

ATG wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

apollo_fi wrote:

Plywood peddlers don't have the ear of someone with the power to start a hurricane.
Must have been Clintons ear also. Halliburton was the most experienced and qualified company to take on the challenges in Iraq. To credit your statement we would have to give the job to a less competent company. I'll leave the mindless speculation to the guys who need simple answers to complex problems. The sad thing is the anti-Bush/Cheney crowd is so blinded by their anger that they miss the real nefarious reasons behind invasion.
So, explain how a less competent company even become part of the equation when we are dealing with no bid contracts?
You really should research. There was actually an FBI investigation into your claims (2004). The original work was done by a pre-existing competitive contract with Halliburton (2001). The contract that they are currently working under was bid as well.

BTW I still think Cheney is an ass.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
2008-07-12 12:27:26
ATG
Banned
+5,233|7004|Global Command

Lotta_Drool wrote:

ATG wrote:

lowing wrote:


lol


I take it you have no idea how re-god damn-diculous you are sounding right now?

you have "AKA", lost yer fuckin' mind

notice there are almost 500 views and only 49 posts..............Says a lot about how jacked up your view point is, even people that don't usually agree with me ain't gunna touch this bullshit of yours.
Sux to be you.
You must feel guilty.
Preaching about personal responsibility from Iraq, sending your government money home every month, building your future at the expense of the Iraqi people and the American taxpayer.

You make me sick.

I want you to take a good hard look at your life, and what you are doing and what the expenses are to all of us.

I doubt you will.
Quick Lowing, blow up a daycare facility for federal employee's children to get in ATG's good graces again!

You're fucking insane ATG.  When you are old and there is no social security for you, I hope you think back to what you have said here.

#1  I don't feel bad about cashing any government check and will take anything I can get from the government.  2.5 trillion a fucking year and they still can't get enough to balance the budget and have to up the retirement date for Social Security.  They bleed me dry with their temporary fed taxes, FICA, Mediscare......  and they will until the day I stop working which will be when I die.  Yeah, I'll take everything I can from the government and not feel bad.

#2  Yet just like Lowing I don't support all the government spending.  I don't support the bloated budget and stupid policies, but WHY THE FUCK WOULD I PUNISH MYSELF by not cashing a $2000 child tax credit from the government even though I think it is the stupidest fucking thing I ever seen?

#3  You know it is fucking Saturday?  I have to work thus why I am killing time on this forum.  Fuck spend some time with your family instead of making stupid posts.
Doofuss, a $2000 child tax credit has nothing to do with hired killers, mercenaries and mechanics working in Iraq.

Are you that simple? Must I hold up a placard?

Think what you will about me.
I am the private sector.
2008-07-12 12:31:59
Lotta_Drool
Spit
+350|6658|Ireland
Private Loon is more like it. 

Hate the policies all you want, hate the unions, hate board of directors, hate the CEO, but why the fuck hate a person that has no control over the policies and just works for a fucking company to make an hourly wage. 

You're a simpleton if you didn't see my point.
2008-07-12 12:32:56
ATG
Banned
+5,233|7004|Global Command

Kmarion wrote:

ATG wrote:

Kmarion wrote:


Must have been Clintons ear also. Halliburton was the most experienced and qualified company to take on the challenges in Iraq. To credit your statement we would have to give the job to a less competent company. I'll leave the mindless speculation to the guys who need simple answers to complex problems. The sad thing is the anti-Bush/Cheney crowd is so blinded by their anger that they miss the real nefarious reasons behind invasion.
So, explain how a less competent company even become part of the equation when we are dealing with no bid contracts?
You really should research. There was actually an FBI investigation into your claims (2004). The original work was done by a pre-existing competitive contract with Halliburton (2001). The contract that they are currently working under was bid as well.

BTW I still think Cheney is an ass.
So, you are saying these private contractors reflect well on our ' nation ' building efforts?
We getting a honest bang for our buck?

Or are you defending the fiscal rape and plunder of Iraq and America by these ass faced Neocons?!?

2008-07-12 12:35:07
usmarine2
Banned
+233|6266|Dublin, Ohio
hey ATG, if it wasnt for fellow arabs and muslims fucking with the rebuilding process, we wouldnt need private security and such.  but since they prefer to act and live like useless animals, then so be it.  quite easy for you to blame the contractors, yet ignore the people actually causing all the problems.
2008-07-12 12:35:31
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7233|Argentina
A fight between ATG vs. Kmarion, Lowing and Spit...this is gonna be interesting /grabs popcorn.
2008-07-12 12:39:04
ATG
Banned
+5,233|7004|Global Command

Lotta_Drool wrote:

Private Loon is more like it. 

Hate the policies all you want, hate the unions, hate board of directors, hate the CEO, but why the fuck hate a person that has no control over the policies and just works for a fucking company to make an hourly wage. 

You're a simpleton if you didn't see my point.
Actually, Spit.

I see your point.

I love Lowing. My thread here may not indicate that...but whatever.
I know who I am and what I believe and why I made this thread.


So he's in the cross hairs. Boo hoo.
He brought it on himself by preaching what he does while sucking in the slop trough of Iraq on the tax payers teet.

I took my shit about illegal aliens and hypocrisy. Now it's his turn.

Defend this shit all you want; you, me and our children and being given the high hard one with no lube about Iraq and god damnit it has got to stop.
2008-07-12 12:40:04
ATG
Banned
+5,233|7004|Global Command

usmarine2 wrote:

hey ATG, if it wasnt for fellow arabs and muslims fucking with the rebuilding process, we wouldnt need private security and such.  but since they prefer to act and live like useless animals, then so be it.  quite easy for you to blame the contractors, yet ignore the people actually causing all the problems.
So drop some fucking bombs.

Stop fucking us and fuck them instead.
2008-07-12 12:40:44
usmarine2
Banned
+233|6266|Dublin, Ohio

ATG wrote:

usmarine2 wrote:

hey ATG, if it wasnt for fellow arabs and muslims fucking with the rebuilding process, we wouldnt need private security and such.  but since they prefer to act and live like useless animals, then so be it.  quite easy for you to blame the contractors, yet ignore the people actually causing all the problems.
So drop some fucking bombs.

Stop fucking us and fuck them instead.
well I agree.  but, tis not the case.
2008-07-12 12:43:04
apollo_fi
The Flying Kalakukko.
+94|7006|The lunar module

Kmarion wrote:

apollo_fi wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

Anyone who thinks our involvement in the ME is based around supporting Halliburton stock is just not looking deep enough. (For the record hundreds of millions of dollars worth of construction contracts were also rewarded to Halliburton for rebuilding efforts in Kosovo and Haiti under Clinton.) Plywood sales go through the roof everytime a hurricane approaches. It doesn't mean that plywood causes hurricanes. That is rather shallow reasoning imo.
Plywood peddlers don't have the ear of someone with the power to start a hurricane.
Must have been Clintons ear also. Halliburton was the most experienced and qualified company to take on the challenges in Iraq. To credit your statement we would have to give the job to a less competent company. I'll leave the mindless speculation to the guys who need simple answers to complex problems. The sad thing is the anti-Bush/Cheney crowd is so blinded by their anger that they miss the real nefarious reasons behind invasion.
You're still treating the Iraq attack as an act of god, something inevitable. Could you explain why? You seem to look at the war as the cause and Halliburton's profits as the effect.

Halliburton etc knew they'd get the contracts. Halliburton etc. had the means to influence national policy. I find it hard to imagine they abstained from wielding their influence.
2008-07-12 12:44:25
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|7076|132 and Bush

ATG wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

ATG wrote:

So, explain how a less competent company even become part of the equation when we are dealing with no bid contracts?
You really should research. There was actually an FBI investigation into your claims (2004). The original work was done by a pre-existing competitive contract with Halliburton (2001). The contract that they are currently working under was bid as well.

BTW I still think Cheney is an ass.
So, you are saying these private contractors reflect well on our ' nation ' building efforts?
We getting a honest bang for our buck?

Or are you defending the fiscal rape and plunder of Iraq and America by these ass faced Neocons?!?

I'm not defending them. In fact I said Cheney was an ass. I just think you do a disservice to the truth when you pursue the weak arguments. There are other valid and disturbing things to expose here. I'm a traditional conservative. I believe in our constitution. You show me where it says anything about nation building. This type of faction politics is what our founding fathers warned us about. Too often we look for what will make us appear to be right. We should be pursuing the truth, no matter how ugly it is.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
2008-07-12 12:44:36
usmarine2
Banned
+233|6266|Dublin, Ohio
I cannot believe some of you think a company can persuade a war.  I mean really.  take off the tin foil hats you conspiracy idiots.
2008-07-12 12:51:08
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|7076|132 and Bush

apollo_fi wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

apollo_fi wrote:

Plywood peddlers don't have the ear of someone with the power to start a hurricane.
Must have been Clintons ear also. Halliburton was the most experienced and qualified company to take on the challenges in Iraq. To credit your statement we would have to give the job to a less competent company. I'll leave the mindless speculation to the guys who need simple answers to complex problems. The sad thing is the anti-Bush/Cheney crowd is so blinded by their anger that they miss the real nefarious reasons behind invasion.
You're still treating the Iraq attack as an act of god, something inevitable. Could you explain why? You seem to look at the war as the cause and Halliburton's profits as the effect.

Halliburton etc knew they'd get the contracts. Halliburton etc. had the means to influence national policy. I find it hard to imagine they abstained from wielding their influence.
The point was to illustrate that the results of action is not necessarily indicative of the reasons for action. You missed that.

The war was about getting Bush re-elected. Iraq made an easy target to show a position of strong national defense. Americans wanted that after the attacks. The war was not nearly as unpopular in 2003. This was reflective in the congressional votes for the invasion (apparently the majority of congress was taking money from Halliburton ) I suppose it was Halliburton convincing Saddam to ignore years of UN resolutions also.

Think bigger.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
2008-07-12 12:54:42
Lotta_Drool
Spit
+350|6658|Ireland

ATG wrote:

Lotta_Drool wrote:

Private Loon is more like it. 

Hate the policies all you want, hate the unions, hate board of directors, hate the CEO, but why the fuck hate a person that has no control over the policies and just works for a fucking company to make an hourly wage. 

You're a simpleton if you didn't see my point.
Actually, Spit.

I see your point.

I love Lowing. My thread here may not indicate that...but whatever.
I know who I am and what I believe and why I made this thread.


So he's in the cross hairs. Boo hoo.
He brought it on himself by preaching what he does while sucking in the slop trough of Iraq on the tax payers teet.

I took my shit about illegal aliens and hypocrisy. Now it's his turn.

Defend this shit all you want; you, me and our children and being given the high hard one with no lube about Iraq and god damnit it has got to stop.
I don't even know what you are talking about " illegal aliens and hypocrisy "?

But your thread is weak. 
btw, the company I work for has government contracts all over the US from state, local, and federal agencies.  It has factories in China and Vietnam and I think it is a piece of shit for sending US jobs to communist countries. 

Should I quit?
or should I not support the fucking idiots in politics that allow a US company to build things out of the US and then sell them back in the US with no Tarriff, just as if they were built here?

Last edited by Lotta_Drool (2008-07-12 12:55:04)

2008-07-12 12:57:47
ATG
Banned
+5,233|7004|Global Command

Kmarion wrote:

apollo_fi wrote:

Kmarion wrote:


Must have been Clintons ear also. Halliburton was the most experienced and qualified company to take on the challenges in Iraq. To credit your statement we would have to give the job to a less competent company. I'll leave the mindless speculation to the guys who need simple answers to complex problems. The sad thing is the anti-Bush/Cheney crowd is so blinded by their anger that they miss the real nefarious reasons behind invasion.
You're still treating the Iraq attack as an act of god, something inevitable. Could you explain why? You seem to look at the war as the cause and Halliburton's profits as the effect.

Halliburton etc knew they'd get the contracts. Halliburton etc. had the means to influence national policy. I find it hard to imagine they abstained from wielding their influence.
The point was to illustrate that the results of action is not necessarily indicative of the reasons for action. You missed that.

The war was about getting Bush re-elected. Iraq made an easy target to show a position of strong national defense. Americans wanted that after the attacks. The war was not nearly as unpopular in 2003. This was reflective in the congressional votes for the invasion (apparently the majority of congress was taking money from Halliburton ) I suppose it was Halliburton convincing Saddam to ignore years of UN resolutions also.

Think bigger.
Hey, if they had the balls to say " we are going to fuck you Iraq; occupy your country, take your oil and administrate your camel jockey asses " it would be one thing.

But no. They stood there are claimed the Iraqis would pay for their own liberation.

" Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice.............................ya ain't gonna get fooled again. "

I know when I'm being screwed, and Iraq is one of those times.
The bailout of the mortgage lenders is one of those times.



Hey Low, come on back. Get a job in the real world, save that idealistic bullshit for your children when you tell them how public service makes a great future.

I mean, that's what you are doing in Iraq, right?
A public service.

Now que the Star Spangled Banner.
2008-07-12 13:01:53
usmarine2
Banned
+233|6266|Dublin, Ohio
I request you change your name back to yerdead.  srsly.


Also, the money issues in Cali are mainly because of the people in Cali.  Everyone wants to live in hollyweird.  The houses were/are WAY overpriced.  Very easy to blame the big bad govt, and not toss any responsibility on the people.

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