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2008-07-14 01:30:05
Braddock
Agitator
+916|6711|Éire
US Policeman Who Shot Dubliner Accused Of Sex Abuse

This is an update on the story of Andrew Hanlon, the young Irish man shot seven times and killed by Oregon cop Tony Gonzalez. Marion County authorities say Officer Tony Gonzalez was arrested today and is being held on allegations of sexual abuse. His arraignment is scheduled for Tuesday. Deputy District Attorney Matt Kemmy says officers in Keizer were contacted on Saturday by a woman and her daughter, who is the alleged victim. Mat Kemmy, the Deputy District Attorney, said the shooting and the alleged sex abuse were not believed to be related. Gonzalez, 35, is on administrative leave from the police department pending the outcome of the investigation into the fatal shooting of Mr Hanlon.
2008-07-14 02:00:44
AussieReaper
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Wonder if anyone is going to change their stance on who they feel was in the wrong after this.
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2008-07-14 02:02:15
Braddock
Agitator
+916|6711|Éire

TheAussieReaper wrote:

Wonder if anyone is going to change their stance on who they feel was in the wrong after this.
Well obviously the two weren't related but people might not be as inclined to jump in and blindly defend a potential paedophile sex offender.
2008-07-14 02:04:41
AussieReaper
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+5,761|6573|what

Not related, well it a way. It could certainly be used as character evidence on the psychological and emotional stability of the officer in question.

I would be surprised if the court doesn't take into account any allegations such as these in the shooting trial.
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2008-07-14 02:14:51
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6831|'Murka

Braddock wrote:

TheAussieReaper wrote:

Wonder if anyone is going to change their stance on who they feel was in the wrong after this.
Well obviously the two weren't related but people might not be as inclined to jump in and blindly defend a potential paedophile sex offender.
I don't think anyone was jumping in blindly to defend the cop...merely stating that without any more info than what was provided in the OP's article, that no one can know if what the cop did was justified. That whole "innocent until proven guilty" thingy.

And...unless this has something to do with him shooting the Irish kid, it's irrelevant to that case.

But now he's got two investigations going on...one professional and one personal. If he gets convicted on either one, he's not going to last long in prison: 1) he's a cop, 2) he's possibly a child molester.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
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2008-07-14 02:23:47
Braddock
Agitator
+916|6711|Éire

FEOS wrote:

Braddock wrote:

TheAussieReaper wrote:

Wonder if anyone is going to change their stance on who they feel was in the wrong after this.
Well obviously the two weren't related but people might not be as inclined to jump in and blindly defend a potential paedophile sex offender.
I don't think anyone was jumping in blindly to defend the cop...merely stating that without any more info than what was provided in the OP's article, that no one can know if what the cop did was justified. That whole "innocent until proven guilty" thingy.

And...unless this has something to do with him shooting the Irish kid, it's irrelevant to that case.

But now he's got two investigations going on...one professional and one personal. If he gets convicted on either one, he's not going to last long in prison: 1) he's a cop, 2) he's possibly a child molester.
Well you weren't guilty of blindly defending him but I do recall a couple of comments from other posters about drunken Irish people getting what they deserved and hero cops protecting society. Mr. Hanlon didn't get the benefit of the "innocent until proven guilty thingy" from many camps either.
2008-07-14 02:24:52
ZombieVampire!
The Gecko
+69|6248
Really, it doesn't affect anything.  Which isn't to say that people won't be more likely to go against the cop: just that they shouldn't.
2008-07-14 02:28:02
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6831|'Murka

Braddock wrote:

FEOS wrote:

Braddock wrote:

Well obviously the two weren't related but people might not be as inclined to jump in and blindly defend a potential paedophile sex offender.
I don't think anyone was jumping in blindly to defend the cop...merely stating that without any more info than what was provided in the OP's article, that no one can know if what the cop did was justified. That whole "innocent until proven guilty" thingy.

And...unless this has something to do with him shooting the Irish kid, it's irrelevant to that case.

But now he's got two investigations going on...one professional and one personal. If he gets convicted on either one, he's not going to last long in prison: 1) he's a cop, 2) he's possibly a child molester.
Well you weren't guilty of blindly defending him but I do recall a couple of comments from other posters about drunken Irish people getting what they deserved and hero cops protecting society. Mr. Hanlon didn't get the benefit of the "innocent until proven guilty thingy" from many camps either.
The defense of the cop (and cops in general), if I recall correctly, came after people accusing the cop of needlessly shooting the dude. I don't recall any serious posts saying some drunk Irish kid got what he deserved...but it's been a while since that thread had any life in it.

But no need to resuscitate it...

Last edited by FEOS (2008-07-14 02:28:34)

“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
2008-07-14 03:58:08
deeznutz1245
Connecticut: our chimps are stealin yo' faces.
+483|6913|Connecticut

Braddock wrote:

Mr. Hanlon didn't get the benefit of the "innocent until proven guilty thingy" from many camps either.
C'mon Braddock. First off as you and the article both state the two incidents are unrelated so why are you labeling the thread as an "update" to an already existing plot. I think someone of your intelligence would have to agree that the thread title is a little irresponsible. All it is doing is make it appear is that you are turning this into a Irish vs American thing. If you don't agree I'm sure there is an editor's position open for you at the N.Y. Times.

Second, the court and the jury have the distinct obligation of pressuming the accused innocent until proven guilty, not the law enforcer. That would be a rhetorical situation. How could you arrest someone if they are innocent?  It is the duty of the police officer to determine whether or not a law was broken. If so, said individual is to be detained and brought before a judge where it is then determined whether or not the accused is to be tried by a jury of his/her peers. Now, if the law enforcer deems you as an immediate threat to himself or the general public then that officer may use deadly force. Why it was used that night I have no idea. I am not justifying what the officer did, however, I also do not know whether he saw something and misconstrued it as a weapon. I mean, after all these guys get less than 3 seconds to react.

Either way, the charges brought on against this officer regarding the innapropriate sex acts are disgusting and tragic yet again to society. I think this officer should never wear a badge again, not in this lifetime.  However, the incident when Cameron Poe was shot that evening should remain seperate.
Malloy must go
2008-07-14 04:42:38
Braddock
Agitator
+916|6711|Éire

deeznutz1245 wrote:

Braddock wrote:

Mr. Hanlon didn't get the benefit of the "innocent until proven guilty thingy" from many camps either.
C'mon Braddock. First off as you and the article both state the two incidents are unrelated so why are you labeling the thread as an "update" to an already existing plot. I think someone of your intelligence would have to agree that the thread title is a little irresponsible. All it is doing is make it appear is that you are turning this into a Irish vs American thing. If you don't agree I'm sure there is an editor's position open for you at the N.Y. Times.

Second, the court and the jury have the distinct obligation of pressuming the accused innocent until proven guilty, not the law enforcer. That would be a rhetorical situation. How could you arrest someone if they are innocent?  It is the duty of the police officer to determine whether or not a law was broken. If so, said individual is to be detained and brought before a judge where it is then determined whether or not the accused is to be tried by a jury of his/her peers. Now, if the law enforcer deems you as an immediate threat to himself or the general public then that officer may use deadly force. Why it was used that night I have no idea. I am not justifying what the officer did, however, I also do not know whether he saw something and misconstrued it as a weapon. I mean, after all these guys get less than 3 seconds to react.

Either way, the charges brought on against this officer regarding the innapropriate sex acts are disgusting and tragic yet again to society. I think this officer should never wear a badge again, not in this lifetime.  However, the incident when Cameron Poe was shot that evening should remain seperate.
Firstly, my argument about Hanlon not getting the privilege of being presumed innocent until proven guilty applied to the attitudes of certain posters, obviously a cop cannot apply this attitude to an actual situation on the job.

Secondly, I believe this is a legitimate update to a preexisting story as these new allegations cast fresh doubts over the mental stability and judgment of this particular police officer.

Thirdly, you open your post with a treatise on the virtues of presuming someone innocent until proven guilty then close with a claim that this officer  "should never wear a badge again, not in this lifetime"...well he hasn't been found guilty yet so don't jump the gun!
2008-07-14 06:11:01
AussieReaper
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Braddock wrote:

...well he hasn't been found guilty yet so don't jump the gun!
That was possibly the officers other mistake.
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2008-07-14 07:44:29
HurricaИe
Banned
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FEOS wrote:

If he gets convicted on either one, he's not going to last long in prison: 1) he's a cop, 2) he's possibly a child molester.
if i'm not mistaken, cops get put into a special section of prison (since, ya know, a lot of people are in prison cause a cop arrested them so they've got a major chip on their shoulders). same with child molesters.
2008-07-14 07:47:24
Parker
isteal
+1,452|6815|The Gem Saloon

HurricaИe wrote:

FEOS wrote:

If he gets convicted on either one, he's not going to last long in prison: 1) he's a cop, 2) he's possibly a child molester.
if i'm not mistaken, cops get put into a special section of prison (since, ya know, a lot of people are in prison cause a cop arrested them so they've got a major chip on their shoulders). same with child molesters.
there isnt anywhere, unless they are in a supermax, which keeps them away from the main population ALL THE TIME.
he will get got, thats how it works.
2008-07-14 10:30:43
lowing
Banned
+1,662|7072|USA

Parker wrote:

HurricaИe wrote:

FEOS wrote:

If he gets convicted on either one, he's not going to last long in prison: 1) he's a cop, 2) he's possibly a child molester.
if i'm not mistaken, cops get put into a special section of prison (since, ya know, a lot of people are in prison cause a cop arrested them so they've got a major chip on their shoulders). same with child molesters.
there isnt anywhere, unless they are in a supermax, which keeps them away from the main population ALL THE TIME.
he will get got, thats how it works.
If he is a child molester, I can live with that.
2008-07-14 10:32:28
God Save the Queen
Banned
+628|6764|tropical regions of london

Parker wrote:

HurricaИe wrote:

FEOS wrote:

If he gets convicted on either one, he's not going to last long in prison: 1) he's a cop, 2) he's possibly a child molester.
if i'm not mistaken, cops get put into a special section of prison (since, ya know, a lot of people are in prison cause a cop arrested them so they've got a major chip on their shoulders). same with child molesters.
there isnt anywhere, unless they are in a supermax, which keeps them away from the main population ALL THE TIME.
he will get got, thats how it works.
thts not accurate.  most correctional facilities have some kind of administrative segregation.
2008-07-14 10:50:02
HollisHurlbut
Member
+51|6418

God Save the Queen wrote:

thts not accurate.  most correctional facilities have some kind of administrative segregation.
This is truth.  But it does suck worse than being in GP (that's "general population" for the non-initiated...).  Locked down 24 hours a day except for one hour five times a week to go in a cage perhaps twice as big as the cell you were just in for "recreation."  What kind of recreation, you ask?  Well, that's why I put it in quotes.  There's nothing in that cage you can't do in your own cell, bro.  Except see the sun, that is.

Not that the people in prison don't deserve it, I'm just saying A/D status ("administrative detention") is protective, but absolutely not at all enjoyable.
2008-07-14 15:45:35
Braddock
Agitator
+916|6711|Éire

HollisHurlbut wrote:

God Save the Queen wrote:

thts not accurate.  most correctional facilities have some kind of administrative segregation.
This is truth.  But it does suck worse than being in GP (that's "general population" for the non-initiated...).  Locked down 24 hours a day except for one hour five times a week to go in a cage perhaps twice as big as the cell you were just in for "recreation."  What kind of recreation, you ask?  Well, that's why I put it in quotes.  There's nothing in that cage you can't do in your own cell, bro.  Except see the sun, that is.

Not that the people in prison don't deserve it, I'm just saying A/D status ("administrative detention") is protective, but absolutely not at all enjoyable.
I'd rather my own little cell on my own where I can do push-ups all day and not get raped.
2008-07-15 09:33:53
HollisHurlbut
Member
+51|6418

Braddock wrote:

I'd rather my own little cell on my own where I can do push-ups all day and not get raped.
...or would you?
2008-07-16 04:50:23
Braddock
Agitator
+916|6711|Éire

lowing wrote:

Parker wrote:

HurricaИe wrote:


if i'm not mistaken, cops get put into a special section of prison (since, ya know, a lot of people are in prison cause a cop arrested them so they've got a major chip on their shoulders). same with child molesters.
there isnt anywhere, unless they are in a supermax, which keeps them away from the main population ALL THE TIME.
he will get got, thats how it works.
If he is a child molester, I can live with that.
I'm not trying to claim I'm right or that you were wrong or anything like that because obviously this has nothing to do with the Hanlon shooting...but this potential child molester is the guy you had automatically given the benefit of the doubt to and my point was that neither party should be presumed innocent or guilty in any complicated legal scenario.

The romantic idea of the cop who wears the badge and puts his life on the line to protect and serve the community can often get in the way of reality. Many cops are complete cunts who shouldn't be in the job and should not be allowed to go around as a law unto themselves just because they have a badge.
2008-08-03 10:29:34
usmarine
Banned
+2,785|7182

"A grand jury has ruled that an Oregon police officer acted correctly"

http://www.policelink.com/news/41581-gr … l-shooting
2008-08-03 10:57:05
i g
Banned
+876|6285|GA

usmarine wrote:

"A grand jury has ruled that an Oregon police officer acted correctly"

http://www.policelink.com/news/41581-gr … l-shooting
raping a kid is worse than murder imo

 

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