ATG
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+5,233|6950|Global Command
Nowhere mentioned in the accompanying 66-page handout were the additional $1.1 trillion of assets that New York-based Citigroup keeps off its books: trusts to sell mortgage-backed securities, financing vehicles to issue short-term debt and collateralized debt obligations, or CDOs, to repackage bonds.


``You will rapidly realize what a farce these off-balance- sheet things are,'' said Ladenburg Thalmann & Co. analyst Richard X. Bove. ``You could pick up a lot of loan losses with the stuff you're putting back on.''

It's impossible to predict what the losses might be from off-the-books assets or liabilities because disclosures are thin relative to what is required for balance-sheet assets, said Neri Bukspan, chief accountant for Standard & Poor's in New York.

``A lot of information tends to disappear or becomes second or third class,'' Bukspan said.
The off book shelters are where the profits go, and explainations for bad debt spring from. As it stands, the truth is hidden.

CEO's retire with 100's of millions of dollars whilst the fed decides which back to bail out next. Speaking of running on the banks; customers with cash holdings are only getting half of their money. You want to se the banks drained of money? Get the word out that when and if the bank you frequent fails you may only get half your money.
In an unusual move, the FDIC said it would give those customers access to 50% of their uninsured deposits.
CaptainSpaulding71
Member
+119|6778|CA, USA
side note:  people decry CEO's of making hundreds of millions of dollars.  yet these same people do NOT complain when an 'actor' makes 30 million on film for reading cue cards and pretending to cry.  Sports stars are paid even more for multi-year contracts (cough beckam cough).  socialites are paid mucho bucko just to attend an opening party for a club (brittney, paris, linds).  where is the outcry there?
ATG
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+5,233|6950|Global Command

CaptainSpaulding71 wrote:

side note:  people decry CEO's of making hundreds of millions of dollars.  yet these same people do NOT complain when an 'actor' makes 30 million on film for reading cue cards and pretending to cry.  Sports stars are paid even more for multi-year contracts (cough beckam cough).  socialites are paid mucho bucko just to attend an opening party for a club (brittney, paris, linds).  where is the outcry there?
Well...
http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?pid=557408#p557408

other than that, celebrities do not control markets and commodities.
CaptainSpaulding71
Member
+119|6778|CA, USA

ATG wrote:

CaptainSpaulding71 wrote:

side note:  people decry CEO's of making hundreds of millions of dollars.  yet these same people do NOT complain when an 'actor' makes 30 million on film for reading cue cards and pretending to cry.  Sports stars are paid even more for multi-year contracts (cough beckam cough).  socialites are paid mucho bucko just to attend an opening party for a club (brittney, paris, linds).  where is the outcry there?
Well...
http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?pid=557408#p557408

other than that, celebrities do not control markets and commodities.
what they do control is the media.  this is a very powerful market/commodity.  come on dude...you live in LA. 
Team America:  World Police FTW!

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ATG
Banned
+5,233|6950|Global Command

CaptainSpaulding71 wrote:

ATG wrote:

CaptainSpaulding71 wrote:

side note:  people decry CEO's of making hundreds of millions of dollars.  yet these same people do NOT complain when an 'actor' makes 30 million on film for reading cue cards and pretending to cry.  Sports stars are paid even more for multi-year contracts (cough beckam cough).  socialites are paid mucho bucko just to attend an opening party for a club (brittney, paris, linds).  where is the outcry there?
Well...
http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?pid=557408#p557408

other than that, celebrities do not control markets and commodities.
what they do control is the media.  this is a very powerful market/commodity.  come on dude...you live in LA. 
True.
But, do they?
The press is said to be so left wing biased, yet there was a general war beating of the drums after 9-11.

Are we to believe that the left supported a war on terror just not the way it was fought? That they support the troops, just not the mission?


Nope.

It sells papers. Fear gets people to watch television.
Media mogels speculate on oil with the profits.
TrollmeaT
Aspiring Objectivist
+492|7094|Colorado
What ever happened to integrity, & who the hell screened these people for their jobs? WTF are the accountants doing, do they not take an oath anymore?
God Save the Queen
Banned
+628|6764|tropical regions of london
should I invest in Indymac right now?
CaptainSpaulding71
Member
+119|6778|CA, USA
back on topic though, i am a bit concerned about the FDIC thing.  i honestly don't have shit in the bank, but i do own alot of stock as investments so if the bank goes belly-up, i wonder what will happen with my stock portfolio and 401k.

secondly, my home loans are with two major lenders that are on the rocks.  if they go under, what would really happen there?  would they just sell the loan to another bank?  with more and more banks failing, might they just default on the loan?  could i lose my house?
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6950|Global Command

God Save the Queen wrote:

should I invest in Indymac right now?
GM.
srs
Phrozenbot
Member
+632|7037|do not disturb

ATG wrote:

God Save the Queen wrote:

should I invest in Indymac right now?
GM.
srs
lol
Stingray24
Proud member of the vast right-wing conspiracy
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ATG wrote:

You want to se the banks drained of money? Get the word out that when and if the bank you frequent fails you may only get half your money.
In an unusual move, the FDIC said it would give those customers access to 50% of their uninsured deposits.
Individual accounts are insured up to 100k and joint accounts 200k ... amounts above those 2 thresholds are given at 50%.  All people who keep that much money in checking, savings, CDs, money market know this.  If they're too stupid to either spread that much available cash over several banks or better yet, invest in non-bank monetary vehicles, they deserve losing their money.

Last edited by Stingray24 (2008-07-14 18:41:45)

CaptainSpaulding71
Member
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ATG wrote:

It sells papers. Fear gets people to watch television.
Media mogels speculate on oil with the profits.
...and television sells ads that trigger people to buy certain products and guide people's viewpoints with certain programming.  they are more influential than i think some give them credit for.  the left wing media has been consistently undermining this administrations efforts since day 1.  they had their golden boy 'gore' and he ended up losing (or winning depending on the chad count).  they are very bitter to this day due to that fact.  not to say bush was a wunderkind or anything - it's just that the media could have been more helpful in many ways and chooses to cut off the nose to spite the face kind of thing.  the media believes the US is evil and the terrorists are freedom fighters.  that's bass ackwards in my book.  yet they continually spew this crap at us on tv and so on in their 'reporting'.  this forces people to question whether we really are the right guys and essentially breeds defeatism.  same thing happened about 30-40 years ago.
Stingray24
Proud member of the vast right-wing conspiracy
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CaptainSpaulding71 wrote:

back on topic though, i am a bit concerned about the FDIC thing.  i honestly don't have shit in the bank, but i do own alot of stock as investments so if the bank goes belly-up, i wonder what will happen with my stock portfolio and 401k.

secondly, my home loans are with two major lenders that are on the rocks.  if they go under, what would really happen there?  would they just sell the loan to another bank?  with more and more banks failing, might they just default on the loan?  could i lose my house?
Individual stocks and 401k are not FDIC insured products because their value can go up and down.  As long as you don't own stock in the bank itself, you should be ok.  I'm not well-versed in the home loan end of things.
CaptainSpaulding71
Member
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Stingray24 wrote:

ATG wrote:

You want to se the banks drained of money? Get the word out that when and if the bank you frequent fails you may only get half your money.
In an unusual move, the FDIC said it would give those customers access to 50% of their uninsured deposits.
Individual accounts are insured up to 100k and joint accounts 200k ... amounts above those 2 thresholds are given at 50%.  All people who keep that much money in checking, savings, CDs, money market know this.  If they're too stupid to either spread that much available cash over several banks or better yet, invest in non-bank monetary vehicles, they deserve losing their money.
do people really have that kind of dough earning crap returns in a bank?  i don't even use the bank except to pay bills out of checking.  savings account was deleted about 10 years back and moved into mutual funds/stocks, etc
Phrozenbot
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I hope you have your money in money markets.
Stingray24
Proud member of the vast right-wing conspiracy
+1,060|6866|The Land of Scott Walker

CaptainSpaulding71 wrote:

Stingray24 wrote:

ATG wrote:

You want to se the banks drained of money? Get the word out that when and if the bank you frequent fails you may only get half your money.
In an unusual move, the FDIC said it would give those customers access to 50% of their uninsured deposits.
Individual accounts are insured up to 100k and joint accounts 200k ... amounts above those 2 thresholds are given at 50%.  All people who keep that much money in checking, savings, CDs, money market know this.  If they're too stupid to either spread that much available cash over several banks or better yet, invest in non-bank monetary vehicles, they deserve losing their money.
do people really have that kind of dough earning crap returns in a bank?  i don't even use the bank except to pay bills out of checking.  savings account was deleted about 10 years back and moved into mutual funds/stocks, etc
They sure do.  I spent nearly every day of my 8 years in banking trying to convince retired people to avoid the risk of leaving that much money in low yield accounts.  They felt safe, but they were barely keeping up with inflation.
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6826|North Carolina

CaptainSpaulding71 wrote:

ATG wrote:

CaptainSpaulding71 wrote:

side note:  people decry CEO's of making hundreds of millions of dollars.  yet these same people do NOT complain when an 'actor' makes 30 million on film for reading cue cards and pretending to cry.  Sports stars are paid even more for multi-year contracts (cough beckam cough).  socialites are paid mucho bucko just to attend an opening party for a club (brittney, paris, linds).  where is the outcry there?
Well...
http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?pid=557408#p557408

other than that, celebrities do not control markets and commodities.
what they do control is the media.  this is a very powerful market/commodity.  come on dude...you live in LA. 
Team America:  World Police FTW!
I think you'll find that CEOs generally have a lot more in assets than entertainers.  They also have a lot more power, and this is including CEOs of media corporations.

There's really no contest when it comes to the power and money of big business versus sports and film stars.  Hell, the owners of sports teams and the producers of movies make a lot more money than the people actually doing the work.
Dilbert_X
The X stands for
+1,822|6527|eXtreme to the maX
side note:  people decry CEO's of making hundreds of millions of dollars.
At least actors and sportsmen can be seen to be doing something, if we don't want to support them we don't need to watch their crappy game or whatever product they endorse.

There are too many CEOs being grossly rewarded for terrible performance.
When the market goes up they get bonuses for their inspired leadership which brought in the profits.
When the market goes down they get bonuses for their inspired leader ship which minimised their losses - or more usually not.

Its really not too hard to run a large financial institution which is already running - creating a company is way harder by comparison.
Getting paid hundreds of millions to rotate in for a few years and rotate out again having done bugger all seems pretty normal these days.
Really the exec scam is the best of all, rotate through companies year by year, when recession hits just take your golden parachute and scarper, like musical chairs in fact but you're guaranteed to win.
Fuck Israel
CameronPoe
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One of my housemates works for Citigroup. He hates it and he reckons every colleague he has would love to see Citigroup fail too. Quite odd when you work for the company!

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