I've seen kids cry harder after having their Myspace taken away.God Save the Queen wrote:
he ceased being a child the second he pulled the pin from the grenade
I would like to know the status of his eyes and feet.
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I would like to know the status of his eyes and feet.
What is being done is immoral, convention or not. And that's how everyone in the rest of the world, and presumably some within America, will view it.Kmarion wrote:
Read the Geneva convention. He does not fall anywhere under those guidelines. You don't need to bend the truth to make a case for morality.
That I understand.CameronPoe wrote:
What is being done is immoral, convention or not. And that's how everyone in the rest of the world, and presumably some within America, will view it.Kmarion wrote:
Read the Geneva convention. He does not fall anywhere under those guidelines. You don't need to bend the truth to make a case for morality.
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How bout I lob a grenade and grow up 8 years in git-mo without trial. Or just be accused of throwing one, as a trial defeats the actually necessity of throwing one in the first place.God Save the Queen wrote:
are you fucking 5 years old?TheAussieReaper wrote:
Next time declare war on a country so the enemy combatants know what colours they should be wearing.
huh? really?The video was filmed secretly through an air duct
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Whether it is or not, its what's allowed, they don't fight in uniforms so the GC doesn't apply to them. They don't want to follow the rules laid out then they don't fall under the protection of the GC, harsh but that's the way the game is played.CameronPoe wrote:
What is being done is immoral, convention or not. And that's how everyone in the rest of the world, and presumably some within America, will view it.Kmarion wrote:
Read the Geneva convention. He does not fall anywhere under those guidelines. You don't need to bend the truth to make a case for morality.
Why was he at the compound, why was he around all those bad guys? Wtf is he doing there, at that time, if he is a Canadian Citizen? What? He decided to visit Afghanistan to meet family at that particular time in Afghanistan's history. gg. Should've stayed in Canada instead of going to Afghanistan to hang around with the Taliban during the time the U.S were in the country at war with them... the guy is a moron.
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This is true.. but tbh I'm not passing judgment yet. Just because something is lawful doesn't mean it is right.M.O.A.B wrote:
Whether it is or not, its what's allowed, they don't fight in uniforms so the GC doesn't apply to them. They don't want to follow the rules laid out then they don't fall under the protection of the GC, harsh but that's the way the game is played.CameronPoe wrote:
What is being done is immoral, convention or not. And that's how everyone in the rest of the world, and presumably some within America, will view it.Kmarion wrote:
Read the Geneva convention. He does not fall anywhere under those guidelines. You don't need to bend the truth to make a case for morality.
I don't know why the beeb said it was "secretly taped". That seems odd to me.
I found the report on the interrogation.
http://www.stephentaylor.ca/2008/07/oma … documents/
The whole DVD of the interrogation is 7.5 hours long. The video in the OP was the "highlight video" released by his defense team.
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Kmarion wrote:
Just because something is lawful doesn't mean it is right.M.O.A.B wrote:
Whether it is or not, its what's allowed, they don't fight in uniforms so the GC doesn't apply to them. They don't want to follow the rules laid out then they don't fall under the protection of the GC, harsh but that's the way the game is played.CameronPoe wrote:
What is being done is immoral, convention or not. And that's how everyone in the rest of the world, and presumably some within America, will view it.
That particular time? The war's been going on for 7 years. It's not like he could have waited a few months for it to blow over.Mek-Stizzle wrote:
Why was he at the compound, why was he around all those bad guys? Wtf is he doing there, at that time, if he is a Canadian Citizen? What? He decided to visit Afghanistan to meet family at that particular time in Afghanistan's history. gg. Should've stayed in Canada instead of going to Afghanistan to hang around with the Taliban during the time the U.S were in the country at war with them... the guy is a moron.
I'm not gonna presume guilt or innocence in this case but I would draw your attention to the innocent Tipton Three:Mek-Stizzle wrote:
Why was he at the compound, why was he around all those bad guys? Wtf is he doing there, at that time, if he is a Canadian Citizen? What? He decided to visit Afghanistan to meet family at that particular time in Afghanistan's history. gg. Should've stayed in Canada instead of going to Afghanistan to hang around with the Taliban during the time the U.S were in the country at war with them... the guy is a moron.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tipton_Three
Two years of their lives down the drain.
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HmmCameronPoe wrote:
I'm not gonna presume guilt or innocence in this case but I would draw your attention to the innocent Tipton Three:Mek-Stizzle wrote:
Why was he at the compound, why was he around all those bad guys? Wtf is he doing there, at that time, if he is a Canadian Citizen? What? He decided to visit Afghanistan to meet family at that particular time in Afghanistan's history. gg. Should've stayed in Canada instead of going to Afghanistan to hang around with the Taliban during the time the U.S were in the country at war with them... the guy is a moron.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tipton_Three
Two years of their lives down the drain.
See, I don't care if you actually did anything bad or not. Just going to train/be with with these guys is bad enough. Funny how all of a sudden as soon as the War against the Taliban started, lots of "innocent" foreigners were caughtRuhal Ahmed admitted on the programme that he had visited an Islamist training camp, where he handled weapons and learned how to use an AK47. Rasul refused to go through with the test.
Hmm yes, they were just minding their own business and visiting their families. They decided to visit Afghanistan at that particular moment in history.
Fuck these people man, they knew what shit they were getting into when they boarded those planes (presumably to Pakistan, to then travel by land to Afghanistan)
Most of these fuckers aren't even Afghan (ethnically).
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That particular time? The war's been going on for 7 years. It's not like he could have waited a few months for it to blow over.Mek-Stizzle wrote:
Why was he at the compound, why was he around all those bad guys? Wtf is he doing there, at that time, if he is a Canadian Citizen? What? He decided to visit Afghanistan to meet family at that particular time in Afghanistan's history. gg. Should've stayed in Canada instead of going to Afghanistan to hang around with the Taliban during the time the U.S were in the country at war with them... the guy is a moron.
These people were caught at the beginning. At least, this kid was. It's fucking obvious he went for Jihad or someshit. You don't risk everything, going to a war zone, just to meet family or something. No family would tell their overseas relatives "yes come down, everything is fine, you'll be fine bring along your children too, to this warzone" etc..ZombieVampire! wrote:
ZombieVampire! wrote:
That particular time? The war's been going on for 7 years. It's not like he could have waited a few months for it to blow over.Mek-Stizzle wrote:
Why was he at the compound, why was he around all those bad guys? Wtf is he doing there, at that time, if he is a Canadian Citizen? What? He decided to visit Afghanistan to meet family at that particular time in Afghanistan's history. gg. Should've stayed in Canada instead of going to Afghanistan to hang around with the Taliban during the time the U.S were in the country at war with them... the guy is a moron.
Get real.
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"In the end the abusive interrogation lead the three to falsely confess to being the three previously unidentified faces in a video that showed a meeting between Osama bin Laden and Mohammed Atta, although Rasul was in the UK during the time period when the video was created."
Why would someone admit to something that wasn't true?
Why would someone admit to something that wasn't true?
OR, he could have just not vacationed in a fucking war zoneZombieVampire! wrote:
ZombieVampire! wrote:
That particular time? The war's been going on for 7 years. It's not like he could have waited a few months for it to blow over.Mek-Stizzle wrote:
Why was he at the compound, why was he around all those bad guys? Wtf is he doing there, at that time, if he is a Canadian Citizen? What? He decided to visit Afghanistan to meet family at that particular time in Afghanistan's history. gg. Should've stayed in Canada instead of going to Afghanistan to hang around with the Taliban during the time the U.S were in the country at war with them... the guy is a moron.
Sorta like US boot camp. lol...JahManRed wrote:
This kid was only allowed 3 hours sleep a day for 23 days before he was interrogated.
All I wanted to do was sleep for a week.
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Where's the fun in that? The West Bank rocked!Parker wrote:
OR, he could have just not vacationed in a fucking war zone
Torture will do that to you. As will sleep deprivation (I made sleep dep stand alone cause some here have argued it isn't torture).CameronPoe wrote:
Why would someone admit to something that wasn't true?
Dumbass, we should kill em not lock em up. Have you seen their fucking hair?Braddock wrote:
Just seen the video on Channel4 news. Congratulations America...15 years old. What's next, are you going to lock up emo's for hating the Government (being that the Government is part of the world, which they hate)?
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well, i hope you werent hanging out with terrorists, lobbing grenades and debating on learning how a kalashinikov works...CameronPoe wrote:
Where's the fun in that? The West Bank rocked!Parker wrote:
OR, he could have just not vacationed in a fucking war zone
The saddest thing... is that this 15 year old kid who was obviously manipulated by the Taliban guys...
should be in 10th grade... playing video games and chasing after girls...
should be in 10th grade... playing video games and chasing after girls...
Love is the answer
No, I did get a lift from the IDF though (my private shame...).Parker wrote:
well, i hope you werent hanging out with terrorists, lobbing grenades and debating on learning how a kalashinikov works...
Good. Maybe they will stop trying to fucking murder our innocent civilians then. I have absolutely no problem with people being afraid to terrorize us.CameronPoe wrote:
The Russians held soldiers of theirs and the Nazis didn't afford the Russians the same rights as they did the Americans (in fact their treatment of the Russians was brutal), ergo your logic fails. Are you seriously commending the incarceration without trial and with beating/sleep deprivation of a 15 year old child? Perhaps this is the reason people around the world view the US in a dimmer light than they once did.ATG wrote:
That's because we were holding prisoners of theirs Cam.
How they treat the polish prisoners? Or the gypsies?
Malloy must go