BF2S Forums Islam Unveiled: Channel 4 Documentary

Braddock wrote:

FEOS wrote:

Well, the Qu'ran is supposedly the unaltered word of God and God speaks in Arabic. That's why only the Arabic Qu'ran is deemed "true" by the Muslim world.

Is it possible man fucked it up? Yes.

Do Muslims generally believe that to be possible? No.

Muslims are not supposed to interpret the book themselves (the way Protestants do with the bible for example), they are more similar to Catholics who rely on learned priests/scholars who interpret it for them (often using the Haditha, which many Muslim scholars deem nowhere near as reliable as the Qu'ran itself) and there is a lot of debate over many, many sections of the Qu'ran. The combination of languages it was written in alone provides for an endless amount of debate.

But you're probably correct that many, many Muslims most likely swallow whatever their cleric feeds them.

Which is odd, considering the Koran was an interpretation in the first place. But its their religion, not mine.

lowing wrote:

Ya, it sure CAN be interpreted any way you want, as long as it is not interpreted they way it was meant to be............I guess.

Listen to yourself lowing for God's sake! Are you trying to claim you know how it is meant to be interpreted? Seriously?

lowing wrote:

Braddock wrote:

lowing wrote:

Ya, it sure CAN be interpreted any way you want, as long as it is not interpreted they way it was meant to be............I guess.

Listen to yourself lowing for God's sake! Are you trying to claim you know how it is meant to be interpreted? Seriously?

Ohhhhhhhhh I see Braddock................because I am not Arabic I couldn't possibly know how to read or look shit up.


You seem to try and speak pretty intelegently on the issue, are you claiming you know what is in the Koran? If so how could you "claim you know how it is meant to be interpreted? Seriously"

I've already said in this thread that I don't think anyone can claim to definitively know what the Qu'ran says.

I think of it like this: I can read Gaeilge but I can only imagine how difficult it would be to decipher a 1000 year old Gaeilge scripture given how much language and meaning changes over time, add in some bits and pieces of other ancient languages like Ogham and you will have to employ a hefty amount of conjecture. Add to that the fact that Arabic uses a more complex alphabet and you can see how contentious the whole area of 'translating' the Qu'ran becomes.

You might go and look online for translations of Koranic text but what if your source is using a Saudi copy of the Qu'ran? The Saudi copies, which are incredibly prolific due to State funded printing, are so warped and biased that many have references to "rockets" and "planes" for fuck's sake. If leading scholars and clerics continually argue on the topic I think it's safe to assume the Internet is nowhere near reliable about 99% of the time.