BF2S Forums Sarkozy: "Ireland Must Vote Again On Lisbon Treaty"

I agree that its absurd to make people vote again just because it doesn't go your way. But then again from everything Ive heard no one voted for because they had no idea what it was really for.

Democracy ftw.

Interesting comparison.

What part of no do the frogs not understand. I bet you if the French actually did the democratic thing and allowed their own ppl to vote on it they would say no too.

I'll say it again. There is a bigger world wide addenda at stake here and the vote will some how go yes sooner or later. And that will be the death of the Democratic EU. Politicians doing what they want against the will of the people. Mugabby would be proud.

Vilham wrote:

It think a better analogy might be more of a case of rock paper scissor when one person has no idea how to play and they have a practice round first.

The problem being is that isn't how politics should work, if the people say no, it means no.

Many people didn't understand but many people also had a fairly good understanding and just felt the Government weren't coming clean on the reality of many segments of the treaty. They only dedicated 3 weeks to the official Yes campaign.

They should have agreed with it. Ireland would be fuck all without the funding of the EU... and then they say NO to a perfectly good treaty? Stupid stupid stupid. The EU should just cut funding.

Zimmer wrote:

They should have agreed with it. Ireland would be fuck all without the funding of the EU... and then they say NO to a perfectly good treaty? Stupid stupid stupid. The EU should just cut funding.

Ireland got a helping hand yes. And now we are giving other countries a hand up too with our contributions.Its how the EU works and is its founding principle. To get the whole of the EU up to the same financial levels to allow a smooth amalgamation.
Perfectly good treaty? Did you read it? Do you know that every country that has given its citizens the vote on it have rejected it? Cut funding? What funding, it ended years ago. Do you believe that democracy involved just nodding your head while a few politicians with their own addenda write the rules with no checks or recourse from the citizens who bear the brunt of the amalgamation of Europe?

Zimmer wrote:

They should have agreed with it. Ireland would be fuck all without the funding of the EU... and then they say NO to a perfectly good treaty? Stupid stupid stupid. The EU should just cut funding.

Zimmer - Ireland is a net contributor to the EU. Are you suggesting that the principle of unanimity - enshrined in EU legislation - be violated? Such a move would eventually bite your own UK in the ass as it ultimately finds itself caught in the second tier of a two tier Europe.

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Ireland's got to do the same thing again, reject the Treaty again and again until the EU gets the message.

I like being right

Wow. And I thought it was nice to live in Europe.

I still have no idea what this Lisbon treaty is all about

M.O.A.B wrote:

I still have no idea what this Lisbon treaty is all about

no one does tbh


this from wiki

"The Treaty of Lisbon (also known as the Reform Treaty) is a treaty designed to streamline the workings of the European Union (EU) with amendments to the Treaty on European Union (TEU, Maastricht) and the Treaty establishing the European Community (TEC, Rome), the latter being renamed Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union (TFEU) in the process. The stated aim of the treaty is "to complete the process started by the Treaty of Amsterdam and by the Treaty of Nice with a view to enhancing the efficiency and democratic legitimacy of the Union and to improving the coherence of its action"

rammunition wrote:

M.O.A.B wrote:

I still have no idea what this Lisbon treaty is all about

no one does tbh


this from wiki

"The Treaty of Lisbon (also known as the Reform Treaty) is a treaty designed to streamline the workings of the European Union (EU) with amendments to the Treaty on European Union (TEU, Maastricht) and the Treaty establishing the European Community (TEC, Rome), the latter being renamed Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union (TFEU) in the process. The stated aim of the treaty is "to complete the process started by the Treaty of Amsterdam and by the Treaty of Nice with a view to enhancing the efficiency and democratic legitimacy of the Union and to improving the coherence of its action"

Sounds more like it was made up just give a load of different random treaty names out.