Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080716/ts_nm/iraq_dc
It’s ambitious, but the Iraqis think that they may have enough ready forces to take control of all 18 provinces by the end of this year.  National security adviser Mowaffaq al-Rubaie set the goal today as the US turned over control of the tenth province, the predominantly Shi’ite Qadasiya, in a ceremony today.  American sources took a more cautious line, but the momentum has clearly shifted towards stability:
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Mowaffaq al-Rubaie was speaking at a ceremony where U.S.-led troops transferred security responsibilities for southern Shi’ite Qadisiya province to Iraqi forces.

    The handover puts Baghdad in control of security in 10 of the country’s 18 provinces, all mainly Shi’ite or Kurdish areas.

    “We aspire to reach to the 18th province before the end of this year. God willing, all provinces will be under the control of the Iraqi security authorities before the end of this year,” Rubaie said in a speech broadcast on state-controlled Iraqiya television from the Qadisiya capital of Diwaniya.
Reuters reports that the Iraqis now have 560,000 security troops, including police, but most units still heavily rely on American support. That will continue to be the case for the next several years, assuming we stay, as Iraqi air power is almost non-existent and their logistical infrastructure still in its embryonic stage. This particular province was also garrisoned by Polish forces, a forgotten but much-appreciated partner in securing and stabilizing Iraq.

Iraq now controls the majority of its provinces, and the rest should move quickly to Maliki’s responsibility. American troops will transition to support roles rather than conducting primary combat missions, and Iraq will become a partner rather than a client. If we manage this properly, we can have a stable Arab democracy in the heart of Southwest Asia for the first time in history — and show other Arabs that self-government is not just possible, but highly desirable to extremism and tyranny.
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Pug
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Have some.
God Save the Queen
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good for them.  As long as the Iraqi government wants us there, I cant support pulling out.
HurricaИe
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Sounds good... the more the Iraqis start taking authority of, the better.
topal63
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God Save the Queen wrote:

good for them.  As long as the Iraqi government wants us there, I cant support pulling out.
Turquoise
O Canada
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Please let this mean we're finally fucking leaving.
(T)eflon(S)hadow
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Turquoise wrote:

Please let this mean we're finally fucking leaving.
When the job is done, it's done. Not before hand. Thank you all for your continued patience.

Pro Tip: Thank a vet next time you see one passing down the street wearing their proud (ARMY, Navy, Air Force, Marine) baseball hat.
Mason4Assassin444
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Great News! Now what about the trillions of dollars of debt and soldiers lives it took to make this happen?
God Save the Queen
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Mason4Assassin444 wrote:

Great News! Now what about the trillions of dollars of debt and soldiers lives it took to make this happen?
The American people dropped the ball on that one in 2003
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6826|North Carolina

God Save the Queen wrote:

Mason4Assassin444 wrote:

Great News! Now what about the trillions of dollars of debt and soldiers lives it took to make this happen?
The American people dropped the ball on that one in 2003
Um...  and how?  Congress and the President made that choice, not us.  We dropped the ball in 2000 by electing Bush, but when it came to the actual war, most Americans were against it from the very beginning.  Even when Bush was lobbying hard for invading Iraq, polls mostly showed the public not wanting to enter war.
God Save the Queen
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Turquoise wrote:

God Save the Queen wrote:

Mason4Assassin444 wrote:

Great News! Now what about the trillions of dollars of debt and soldiers lives it took to make this happen?
The American people dropped the ball on that one in 2003
Um...  and how?  Congress and the President.
I guess you dont consider them representive of the American constituency.
Turquoise
O Canada
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God Save the Queen wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

God Save the Queen wrote:


The American people dropped the ball on that one in 2003
Um...  and how?  Congress and the President.
I guess you dont consider them representive of the American constituency.
I don't.  It's only symbolic.  We vote people in only to have them get bought by special interests.  It's kind of a sham, but sadly, it's still nowhere near as bad as most of the rest of the world.

As a species, we're basically doomed to be controlled by the rich elite regardless of the system implemented.  Even Communists had rich elite.
God Save the Queen
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well I believe you are fundamentally wrong.
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6826|North Carolina
Explain...  through PMs, if you'd prefer not to derail this....
God Save the Queen
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yif you truly believe that congress is in the pocket of special interests, whats keeping you from being a working member of one?  nothing, thats what.

well, maybe your apathy

but thats your fault, not anyone elses.

Last edited by God Save the Queen (2008-07-16 19:33:42)

Turquoise
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God Save the Queen wrote:

yif you truly believe that congress is in the pocket of special interests, whats keeping you from being a working member of one?  nothing, thats what.
Very true....  If you can't beat 'em, join 'em.  I need a little more cash first.

But yes, that is the way to do politics in this country.  It's not about foresight or having a coherent, multifaceted platform, it's about lobbying as hard as you can for some narrow interest.  The factionalism Madison warned about is truly the essence of American government by now.
God Save the Queen
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turq, newsflash.  nothing has changed in american government since 1787.  special interests have always guided this nations agenda. 

you need to renounce your citizenship already.

Last edited by God Save the Queen (2008-07-16 19:39:13)

Turquoise
O Canada
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If you say so...  Again, I'm currently working on a transfer to either Canada or Ireland in my company, but it's going to take some time.
God Save the Queen
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hurry up.
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6826|North Carolina
Quick question: do you believe that people are responsible for everything their elected representative does?  Like, the people who voted for Bush in 2000....  Would you say they should be held responsible for supporting the War in Iraq?
God Save the Queen
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I dont resent the Bush Administration.

We all knew what we were voting for in 2000 and 2004.  You dont get angry at a a rattlesnake if it bites you, its a fucking rattle snake.

Last edited by God Save the Queen (2008-07-16 19:50:03)

(T)eflon(S)hadow
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Turquoise wrote:

God Save the Queen wrote:

Mason4Assassin444 wrote:

Great News! Now what about the trillions of dollars of debt and soldiers lives it took to make this happen?
The American people dropped the ball on that one in 2003
Um...  and how?  Congress and the President made that choice, not us.  We dropped the ball in 2000 by electing Bush, but when it came to the actual war, most Americans were against it from the very beginning.  Even when Bush was lobbying hard for invading Iraq, polls mostly showed the public not wanting to enter war.
I know where I live in North Central Texas, I saw  thousands American Flags  stuck to cars, with in days. That lasted for over a year. Didn't you all notice it? I will never forget how shocked and hurt our country was after we were hit. America was behind this war from the beginning. It will take generations to absorb and dissect exactly what was right and what went wrong. Lets just all hope history doesn't repeat itself, like Afghanistan circa 1980.

https://pewresearch.org/assets/publications/770-1.gif

https://pewresearch.org/assets/publications/770-2.gif

https://pewresearch.org/assets/publications/770-3.gif Zhe source

Wow, I'm glad I found that myself. That's about exactly as I see this topic, too.


Ill also never forget the thousands of Iraqs have died for their country too.
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
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Turquoise wrote:

We dropped the ball in 2000 by electing Bush, but when it came to the actual war, most Americans were against it from the very beginning.  .
I call BS. Most Americans were not against it from the beginning. Neither was 95 percent of congress. In fact there could easily be an argument made that most Americans aren't against the war right now. Consider how even both candidates are on the issues.
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13rin
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Iraq and the US are winning.
I stood in line for four hours. They better give me a Wal-Mart gift card, or something.  - Rodney Booker, Job Fair attendee.
CoronadoSEAL
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awww - not before i get there! 

well, i'd rather be in Afghanistan anyway.

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