Poseidon
Fudgepack DeQueef
+3,253|6806|Long Island, New York
This thing is a BEAST.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a … 6820227345

It's actually FASTER than 2 WD 300 GB Velociraptors (10K RPM) in RAID0.

Maxishine (> Trubritar) tests it:

Defiance
Member
+438|6939

Holy balls. I'd rather wait the extra 1/2 second personally.
jsnipy
...
+3,277|6791|...

I'll wait a $100 less and a 100GB more. Its still amazing the things to come (and those things that a technically attainable).

Last edited by jsnipy (2008-07-17 18:38:53)

san4
The Mas
+311|6957|NYC, a place to live
But the SSD is cheaper, so there's no point in waiting the extra second.
Two WD velociraptors @ $300 each =$600. The 128GB OCZ SSD = $486.

$486 > $600.

That said, I'm disappointed at how slowly the OS boots with the SSD.
Scorpion0x17
can detect anyone's visible post count...
+691|7034|Cambridge (UK)
"Sarta"

Bloody aussies! ;P

san4 wrote:

But the SSD is cheaper, so there's no point in waiting the extra second.
Two WD velociraptors @ $300 each =$600. The 128GB OCZ SSD = $486.

$486 > $600.

That said, I'm disappointed at how slowly the OS boots with the SSD.
£300 in the UK, and similarly, I'm not all that impressed - would have expected solid state to be much better than that.

Last edited by Scorpion0x17 (2008-07-17 18:47:05)

CommieChipmunk
Member
+488|6838|Portland, OR, USA

san4 wrote:

But the SSD is cheaper, so there's no point in waiting the extra second.
Two WD velociraptors @ $300 each =$600. The 128GB OCZ SSD = $486.

$486 > $600.

That said, I'm disappointed at how slowly the OS boots with the SSD.
600 GB > 128 GB
san4
The Mas
+311|6957|NYC, a place to live

CommieChipmunk wrote:

san4 wrote:

But the SSD is cheaper, so there's no point in waiting the extra second.
Two WD velociraptors @ $300 each =$600. The 128GB OCZ SSD = $486.

$486 > $600.

That said, I'm disappointed at how slowly the OS boots with the SSD.
600 GB > 128 GB
True, but you can add a 500GB hard drive for $80 and get 628GB > 600GB.
Poseidon
Fudgepack DeQueef
+3,253|6806|Long Island, New York

san4 wrote:

CommieChipmunk wrote:

san4 wrote:

But the SSD is cheaper, so there's no point in waiting the extra second.
Two WD velociraptors @ $300 each =$600. The 128GB OCZ SSD = $486.

$486 > $600.

That said, I'm disappointed at how slowly the OS boots with the SSD.
600 GB > 128 GB
True, but you can add a 500GB hard drive for $80 and get 628GB > 600GB.
I think what CommieChipmunk is saying is that you can get 600 GB all at 10K RPM, as opposed to 128 GB at a slightly faster speed.
Scorpion0x17
can detect anyone's visible post count...
+691|7034|Cambridge (UK)

Poseidon wrote:

san4 wrote:

CommieChipmunk wrote:

600 GB > 128 GB
True, but you can add a 500GB hard drive for $80 and get 628GB > 600GB.
I think what CommieChipmunk is saying is that you can get 600 GB all at 10K RPM, as opposed to 128 GB at a slightly faster speed.
In terms of raw price:capacity:performance, this is all true, and I dunno if this was san's point, but one does have to ask oneself what the point of 600GB RAID0 is.

RAID0 should, imo, only ever be used on your system/boot drive - it's way too risky for data.

RAID5 is much better for data, but then it does require 3+ HDDs and some (amount depends on how many drives) capacity is lost from the total physical available (due to the parity).

Consider:
boot storagedata storagecost(total storage)
1x128GB-SSD3x500GB-7.2K-HDD-RAID5$726(1.128TB)
2x300GB-10K-HDD-RAID01x500GB-7.2K-HDD$680(1.100TB)

Last edited by Scorpion0x17 (2008-07-17 19:42:41)

san4
The Mas
+311|6957|NYC, a place to live
My point was mostly just to make trouble but yes, I was thinking that 128GB is enough to install Windows and a bunch of games and that's all you need to have a fast gaming machine. I can't think of much reason to have 600GB of high-speed disk storage, except maybe for a server.

I've been wanting to set up Raid on my system but I haven't done so for exactly the reasons you point out. I don't want to put my data at risk in Raid0 and I don't want to waste space by having two completely redundant hard drives in Raid1. I'm not eager to acquire three drives just to set up Raid5, but eventually I'll do it if I don't get one of those cool 128GB SSD's.
.Sup
be nice
+2,646|6722|The Twilight Zone

san4 wrote:

That said, I'm disappointed at how slowly the OS boots with the SSD.
Yep. There was a vid once and it took like 10 seconds to boot in with an SSD. OCZ doesn't have very good SSDs. The new Samsung is good or Mtron. Thats what I would get if I'd go for an SSD now.
https://www.shrani.si/f/3H/7h/45GTw71U/untitled-1.png
Sup3r_Dr4gon
Boat sig is not there anymore
+214|6596|Australia
Thats pretty slow. I remember seeing a video of a Gigabyte I-RAM booting XP in something like 10 seconds. Very poor $/GB/performance TBH.
Cheez
Herman is a warmaphrodite
+1,027|6707|King Of The Islands

[video]Its fooly sick, bro.[/video]

Scorpion0x17 wrote:

"Sarta"

Bloody aussies! ;P
The fuck do you call it then?

Last edited by Cheez (2008-07-18 02:14:46)

My state was founded by Batman. Your opinion is invalid.
Noobeater
Northern numpty
+194|6716|Boulder, CO
sa-ta

not aussie sarrta
_j5689_
Dreads & Bergers
+364|6985|Riva, MD

Noobeater wrote:

sa-ta

not aussie sarrta
Brits, New Zealanders, and South Africans all do that.  Any accent that's based off British English is like that.  It's sort of opposite of how they never pronounce their Rs but when a word has no R in it, they pronounce the R anyway.  Sort of like how Simon from American Idol calls Paula "Pauler"

How the fuck do you learn to say things like that anyway?

lmao, THIS IS SARTA

On topic:

Here are some nice benchmarks of RAID SSDs, even though the article is a year old now.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/fla … 666-6.html

Last edited by _j5689_ (2008-07-18 08:35:40)

Smithereener
Member
+138|6584|California
If memory serves correctly, OCZ SSDs are for the most part, on the lower end of the list of SSDs. The SSDs by OCZ are typically slower and weaker in performance compared to other manufacturers, but they're also the cheapest, which is their most appealing point.

Still, SSDs are way too expensive IMO, although the price has dropped somewhat considerably.
Catbox
forgiveness
+505|6985
128gb SSD ... $99.95 by Christmas...lol
Love is the answer
Bertster7
Confused Pothead
+1,101|6850|SE London

.Sup wrote:

san4 wrote:

That said, I'm disappointed at how slowly the OS boots with the SSD.
Yep. There was a vid once and it took like 10 seconds to boot in with an SSD. OCZ doesn't have very good SSDs. The new Samsung is good or Mtron. Thats what I would get if I'd go for an SSD now.
Utterly untrue. I have yet to use the 128GB OCZ drives, but their 64GB model is way, way faster than any of the Samsung ones. In fact the OCZ 64GB drives are the fastest ones I've used and the Vista boot speed test they conducted does not seem to accurately portray how long it takes to boot using one of those drives - for starters, who the fuck sets their machine to boot from CD if conducting a boot speed test? Aussie noobs, that's who.
.Sup
be nice
+2,646|6722|The Twilight Zone
Mtron is still better than any OCZ.
https://www.shrani.si/f/3H/7h/45GTw71U/untitled-1.png
G-NOT_(:0)
Banned
+19|6268

Poseidon wrote:

This thing is a BEAST.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a … 6820227345

It's actually FASTER than 2 WD 300 GB Velociraptors (10K RPM) in RAID0.

Maxishine (> Trubritar) tests it:

Actually he didn't use raid 0 to test it vs the SSD. Just 1 Velociraptor was used in the testing and the timings weren't FASTER, just barely faster.
Poseidon
Fudgepack DeQueef
+3,253|6806|Long Island, New York

G-NOT_(:0) wrote:

Poseidon wrote:

This thing is a BEAST.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a … 6820227345

It's actually FASTER than 2 WD 300 GB Velociraptors (10K RPM) in RAID0.

Maxishine (> Trubritar) tests it:

Actually he didn't use raid 0 to test it vs the SSD. Just 1 Velociraptor was used in the testing and the timings weren't FASTER, just barely faster.
He has 2 Velociraptors in RAID0 and has mentioned so in previous videos, but even if you didn't watch those, he said "I'm going to test it against the Velociraptors".

Apparentely he ordered ANOTHER one of the OCZ drives as well and will test it's timings in Raid0 this week.

also

the timings weren't faster, just barely faster
That makes little to absolutely no sense at all.
G-NOT_(:0)
Banned
+19|6268

Poseidon wrote:

G-NOT_(:0) wrote:

Poseidon wrote:

This thing is a BEAST.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a … 6820227345

It's actually FASTER than 2 WD 300 GB Velociraptors (10K RPM) in RAID0.

Maxishine (> Trubritar) tests it:

Actually he didn't use raid 0 to test it vs the SSD. Just 1 Velociraptor was used in the testing and the timings weren't FASTER, just barely faster.
He has 2 Velociraptors in RAID0 and has mentioned so in previous videos, but even if you didn't watch those, he said "I'm going to test it against the Velociraptors".

Apparentely he ordered ANOTHER one of the OCZ drives as well and will test it's timings in Raid0 this week.

also

the timings weren't faster, just barely faster
That makes little to absolutely no sense at all.
Okay...he only used,  ONE Velociraptor when doing the testing, not two in raid-0. Also when I said, "the timings weren't FASTER, just barely faster". I meant a sec or less difference, not like you claimed, "It's actually FASTER than 2 WD 300 GB Velociraptors (10K RPM) in RAID0."  and I meant to put quotations when you said "FASTER". As for proof

Right here https://i34.tinypic.com/2aqlnp.jpg

In conclusion, two Velociraptors are in his rig, but only 1 Velociraptor was being tested against the SSD.
Bertster7
Confused Pothead
+1,101|6850|SE London

.Sup wrote:

Mtron is still better than any OCZ.
That's simply not the case. The limiting factor with SSDs is data transfer rates, and the OCZ drives have the best around (120MB/s Read - 100MB/s Write). Mtron do make a drive that is faster (130/110 - compared to their typical 100/80), but only one and it is a PATA 1.8" drive which is not the most practical for most users and costs an extortionate amount.
Poseidon
Fudgepack DeQueef
+3,253|6806|Long Island, New York

G-NOT_(:0) wrote:

Poseidon wrote:

G-NOT_(:0) wrote:


Actually he didn't use raid 0 to test it vs the SSD. Just 1 Velociraptor was used in the testing and the timings weren't FASTER, just barely faster.
He has 2 Velociraptors in RAID0 and has mentioned so in previous videos, but even if you didn't watch those, he said "I'm going to test it against the Velociraptors".

Apparentely he ordered ANOTHER one of the OCZ drives as well and will test it's timings in Raid0 this week.

also

the timings weren't faster, just barely faster
That makes little to absolutely no sense at all.
Okay...he only used,  ONE Velociraptor when doing the testing, not two in raid-0. Also when I said, "the timings weren't FASTER, just barely faster". I meant a sec or less difference, not like you claimed, "It's actually FASTER than 2 WD 300 GB Velociraptors (10K RPM) in RAID0."  and I meant to put quotations when you said "FASTER". As for proof

Right here http://i34.tinypic.com/2aqlnp.jpg

In conclusion, two Velociraptors are in his rig, but only 1 Velociraptor was being tested against the SSD.
Ah, okay.

But about the "being faster" thing, it's still a pretty good deal...Maxishine's review on his site gives a full detailed analysis on why it's a good buy:

http://www.maxishine.com.au/documents/o … drive.html

Better Windows load times, less CPU usage in games...
Scorpion0x17
can detect anyone's visible post count...
+691|7034|Cambridge (UK)

_j5689_ wrote:

Noobeater wrote:

sa-ta

not aussie sarrta
Brits... ...do that.
ERM? No we don't.

It's SA TA. SA. TA.

At least, that's how I say it.

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