Ryan
Member
+1,230|7305|Alberta, Canada

I read on wikipedia that sit ups can cause back damage, and that crunches are the safest alternative.
Should I be doing crunches instead of sit ups? Will either really benefit me?
bugz
Fission Mailed
+3,311|6774

Crunches are better imo. There isn't as much movement involved and it still works the stomach muscles. It builds abs but if there's some fat there to begin with, you'll have to get rid of that before the muscle shows.
SpIk3y
Minister of Silly Walks
+67|6601|New Jersey
Sit-ups are fine if you do them right (arms crossed, hands under armpits).  They do stress your back, but if you have strong back muscles to support yourself, you won't get hurt.  Just don't do too many at once if you're just starting out.
JakAttaK
csanva<3
+492|6788|England
Can someone explain what crunches are please? I hear about them all the time, but don't know what they are, so just do situps
Ryan
Member
+1,230|7305|Alberta, Canada

ebug9 wrote:

Crunches are better imo. There isn't as much movement involved and it still works the stomach muscles. It builds abs but if there's some fat there to begin with, you'll have to get rid of that before the muscle shows.
I'm just trying to slim down a bit. I don't really care if I get abs showing or not, I just want it to be flatter.
GuliblGuy
Zulu son, what!?!
+79|7247|Anaheim, CA

ShadowsStrike wrote:

Can someone explain what crunches are please? I hear about them all the time, but don't know what they are, so just do situps
JakAttaK
csanva<3
+492|6788|England

GuliblGuy wrote:

ShadowsStrike wrote:

Can someone explain what crunches are please? I hear about them all the time, but don't know what they are, so just do situps
Thanking you
Adams_BJ
Russian warship, go fuck yourself
+2,058|7085|Little Bentcock
I find that I get pot belly abs like that (over developed, chunky etc.) The best way I found was criss crosses and leg lifts. The get the lower abs and obliques as well, which makes it nice and flat.

Oh and if you are doing crunches, remember you are not lifting your torso to your knees, you are pushing you head and shoulders towards the ceiling.
naightknifar
Served and Out
+642|7023|Southampton, UK

Do crunches Ryan, much better to work out, and no back/neck strain.
(to ensure no strain, make sure you rise with stomach - not with neck.)

Last edited by naightknifar (2008-07-24 11:59:21)

Ultrafunkula
Hector: Ding, ding, ding, ding...
+1,975|6936|6 6 4 oh, I forget

Remember to exercise your back too! You'll get a bad back if you only do crunches/situps. A fysiotherapist told me to double the amount when switching to back muscles when exercising. If you don't know what type of exercise in on about; lie on the face down, arms straight, lift arms and legs up in the air and hold for a second or two. You can also put your hands behind your head.

Here's a very good way to stretch your abs after training. I use this method.

Last edited by Ultrafunkula (2008-07-24 12:02:44)

naightknifar
Served and Out
+642|7023|Southampton, UK

Ultrafunkula wrote:

Remember to exercise your back too! You'll get a bad back if you only do crunches/situps. A fysiotherapist told me to double the amount when switching to back muscles when exercising. If you don't know what type of exercise in on about; lie on the face down, arms straight, lift arms and legs up in the air and hold for a second or two. You can also put your hands behind your head.

Here's a very good way to stretch your abs after training. I use this method.

lol... fysiotherapist


Edit: And yeah, ditto with the method of use.

Last edited by naightknifar (2008-07-24 12:04:25)

Commie Killer
Member
+192|6849
If you want to strengthen your back muscles, push ups always work... Also, if your doing crunches, keep your neck and back flat, lift your body like a board. Also, you can put your hands behind your head to take the strain off your neck if need be, but dont pull up on your head, just lightly rest it on your hands.
A12345
Member
+77|6932
mix it up, situps, crunches, leg lifts, bicycles, suit cases, scissors, flutter kicks, planks, windshield wipers, toe touches, ankle reaches, oblique lifts...etc
Ultrafunkula
Hector: Ding, ding, ding, ding...
+1,975|6936|6 6 4 oh, I forget

naightknifar wrote:

lol... fysio the rapist


Edit: And yeah, ditto with the method of use.
Yes yes I know what you saw mr. Connery...
DesertFox-
The very model of a modern major general
+796|7147|United States of America

A12345 wrote:

mix it up, situps, crunches, leg lifts, bicycles, suit cases, scissors, flutter kicks, planks, windshield wipers, toe touches, ankle reaches, oblique lifts...etc
^^^ This

Crunches are the lazy man's situp anyway.
i g
Banned
+876|6326|GA

pull/chin ups ftw 

yes they work your abs too
naightknifar
Served and Out
+642|7023|Southampton, UK

i g wrote:

pull/chin ups ftw 

yes they work your abs too
Heaves I call em.
Need to ensure people do em propely, not just the half-assed ones:

Cross your feet and bend knees behind you to get a 90 degree angle at the knees.
Make sure your arms are at full length and you are just dangling there using grip.
Fully pull yourself up and chin above the bar.
Flex arms back to original position of dangling.
Repeat exercise as much as possible.
Flecco
iPod is broken.
+1,048|7127|NT, like Mick Dundee

Adams_BJ wrote:

I find that I get pot belly abs like that (over developed, chunky etc.) The best way I found was criss crosses and leg lifts. The get the lower abs and obliques as well, which makes it nice and flat.
Whoa... Can't believe these forums are still kicking.
HurricaИe
Banned
+877|6423|Washington DC

Ryan wrote:

ebug9 wrote:

Crunches are better imo. There isn't as much movement involved and it still works the stomach muscles. It builds abs but if there's some fat there to begin with, you'll have to get rid of that before the muscle shows.
I'm just trying to slim down a bit. I don't really care if I get abs showing or not, I just want it to be flatter.
if you're trying to slim down, that means you're trying to burn some fat off of there. Crunches don't do that (well, not as efficiently as cardio).
BlackKoala
Member
+215|6787

i g wrote:

pull/chin ups ftw 

yes they work your abs too
I prefer hanging leg raises.

Hang from bar, lift legs (together), hold for a second, drop slowly and repeat.
HurricaИe
Banned
+877|6423|Washington DC

BlackKoala wrote:

i g wrote:

pull/chin ups ftw 

yes they work your abs too
I prefer hanging leg raises.

Hang from bar, lift legs (together), hold for a second, drop slowly and repeat.
Those are fun

Pull-ups, however, aren't.
MorbiD.ShoT
Stormin' through the party
+322|7058
I have about 8 different crunches I do 15 of each in quick, controlled succession.
1. Normal crunch with legs upraised and crossed at a 90 degree angle (thigh is straight up and shins are at a 90 degree angle to 'em)
2. Crunch with feet on ground pressed as close to you butt as possible
3. Crunch with left leg on ground and the ankle of the right leg resting on the knee of your left so that you bring your left elbow up and touch your right knee
4. Same as above but opposite
5. Crunch on side and bring knee up to touch elbow (works the side abs)
6. Same as above but opposite
7. Bicycle crunches (Have legs set up as the first crunch but uncrossed and then bring left knee forward, touch right elbow to it, bring right knee forward, touch left elbow to it and that is one crunch)
8. Lastly, 6 inches crunches (keep legs 6 inches together off the ground and raise them to a 90 degree angle to your body, then lower back to starting position 6 inches off the ground, place hands out to the side)

That'll do ya in if you do 4-5 sets of those a day.

Last edited by MorbiD.ShoT (2008-07-24 13:44:51)

Vilham
Say wat!?
+580|7228|UK

Ultrafunkula wrote:

naightknifar wrote:

lol... fysio the rapist


Edit: And yeah, ditto with the method of use.
Yes yes I know what you saw mr. Connery...
I think he was loling more at the fact you spelt it with an F.

Physiotherapist
Mavik
Member
+22|6239|Germany

HurricaИe wrote:

if you're trying to slim down, that means you're trying to burn some fat off of there. Crunches don't do that (well, not as efficiently as cardio).
True.

Simple thing to keep in mind, if you take more energy (food, calories) in than you burn/need you gain weight and the other way around.
If one keeps eating/drinking a lot fat, sugar and empty calories (e.g. white bread) it would require a hell of an exercise plan every day to lose weight. Fat food, sweets and all the tasty stuff is OK, but not every day, not all day long and certainly not good in the evening before you go to sleep and cut your bodies energy consumption down to a minimum.
Constant energy burning sports like running/jogging (especially!), bike, swimming... are very good at burning fat, make you fit and less easy to exhaust (at everything *wink*) and built up a healthy amount of muscles where the body needs them.
Further body building gain you more muscles which in return burn more fat during the day! (Only if they are earned honestly, no chemical cheats - will kill you one way or the other anyways.) But burning fat calls for a prolonged training - say 1h three times a week at least.

Don't forget to give your body time to rest and develop. Training every day is less rewarding than training every other day. The human body needs these 48h to built up the muscles and fill up the energy reserves - which is a good thing, constantly exhausting them over a longer time will put the body under stress and make it store more resources/fat for what it thinks trying times.

This is also the reason why crash diets never work (for long), the body registers low calorie intake as a lack of natural resources - just like back than in the stone age which is not really long ago when it comes to our internal programming - and as soon as he can get more food again - that is when you end your diet after loosing the weight you wanted to - he starts preparing himself for the next bad season and builds up fat cells like no tomorrow. Also these diets always lack something (some vitamins or minerals), which just can't be healthy. Eat mostly good food and that all day, meaning many small meals instead of two or three big ones; sin once in a while and  drink a lot (water or watered juice, do not underestimate the power of hidden sugar/calories or even fat!)



This should be enough for today - hope I did not rape my English as bad as it seems to me.

Last edited by Mavik (2008-07-24 13:55:09)

kylef
Gone
+1,352|6955|N. Ireland
First off - if you exercising for weight loss neither are really that great. If you aren't though (like me) and trying to simply build up some stomach muscle, both have their benefits.

Crunches are decent in that you can do a lot more of them than sit-ups and any damage to your back is significantly reduced. But this comes at a cost - a crunch is really only exercising your stomach muscles but not your actual diaphragm but not as much as sit-ups. A combination of both is best, however I have sort of built a technique to avoid poor posture when doing actual sit-ups. As you sit-up, push your shoulders (and head) as far back as possible. As you retract downwards again, put them back to your normal position. Repeat this until your stomach muscles can't take much more - but do push them. Real sit-ups can really put a "nice" strain on your diaphragm and stomach muscles ... which is a good thing!

However, there are two main things you should be watching out for. If you do too many sit-ups (even if you handled it at the time) you may feel slightly sick / not hungry the next morning because your muscles have tensed up. Do eat. Secondly, look out for side-headaches. I've had them before and they are a real bitch. The best way to combat both of these is to do "after" exercises - putting light stress on your muscles and easing the tension nicely.

Happy exercising I took a leaf out of someone else's book here (can't remember who now) in that start off doing say, 20. Then, each night, add an extra 1 to that. I do this with press-ups too and I have noticed a decent muscle increase, especially my stomach muscles.

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