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Piracy will never be stopped. Ever.

People used to copy songs off radios. People still buy songs. Last.fm has got to be the best idea I can see so far for embracing "piracy" - or just making songs freely available.

-kon

DoctaStrangelove wrote:

Uploading the songs (or games and movies) to the internets should be illegal, but the actually downloading of the songs shouldn't, as it is akin to people not buying the crap.

So are they gonna arrest people who don't buy their shitty music? Cuz that's what they're doing now.

That's how it is here. Downloading is legal

DO WHAT YOU WANT CAUSE A PIRATE IS FREE! YOU ARE A PIRATE.
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Piracy will always live on in one form or another.

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

If he already has the Beatles White Album on CD, record, cassette, and eight track, why would he download it?

If he has a problem with the media's "hyped rubbish", he doesn't have to buy it.

It seems like he was just trying to make excuses to justify his own activities...

1. Because it was unable to be downloaded when it was out on CD. Remember, MP3's didn't even exist back then.
2. He has a problem, that's why he doesn't. Duh.
3. See above.

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

naightknifar wrote:

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

If he already has the Beatles White Album on CD, record, cassette, and eight track, why would he download it?

If he has a problem with the media's "hyped rubbish", he doesn't have to buy it.

It seems like he was just trying to make excuses to justify his own activities...

1. Because it was unable to be downloaded when it was out on CD. Remember, MP3's didn't even exist back then.
2. He has a problem, that's why he doesn't. Duh.
3. See above.

Does he know how to burn CDs?  It's really easy, and not illegal.

Does he download music that he doesn't already own?  Why not download it legally?

He doesn't want to pay for his music - whatever.  I have a problem with illegal downloading, but more importantly with the excuses he offers for doing it.  At least he could man up and say he is too cheap and/or lazy to pay for music.

Yes, He has burnt ALL of his records, CD's Etc onto his computer - He's tech savvy, and has taken him many years due to he owned a string of record shops and was previously a DJ. The music that he doesn't have but does want he downloads.

You're right in saying it may seem he is making excuses, but think of someone wanting an LP from the 60's (my father has wanted on hundreds of occasions) but it is limited edition and will be near impossible to find for less than £2000 on eBay, what do you do?
Internet > Download!

Hey Presto! Illegal activity!

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

naightknifar wrote:

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

If he already has the Beatles White Album on CD, record, cassette, and eight track, why would he download it?

If he has a problem with the media's "hyped rubbish", he doesn't have to buy it.

It seems like he was just trying to make excuses to justify his own activities...

1. Because it was unable to be downloaded when it was out on CD. Remember, MP3's didn't even exist back then.
2. He has a problem, that's why he doesn't. Duh.
3. See above.

Does he know how to burn CDs?  It's really easy, and not illegal.

What? Remastering it yourself from cassette or vinyl? That's probably going to sound rubbish. I believe, firmly, that if you pay for any artistic content you have a right to it in any format you choose. It's the artists who should be getting the vast majority of the money, not the manufacturers of whatever medium the content is on.

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

Bertster7 wrote:

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

Does he know how to burn CDs?  It's really easy, and not illegal.

What? Remastering it yourself from cassette or vinyl? That's probably going to sound rubbish. I believe, firmly, that if you pay for any artistic content you have a right to it in any format you choose. It's the artists who should be getting the vast majority of the money, not the manufacturers of whatever medium the content is on.

See above post.

By the way, two different arguments in your statement.  I agree, artists should be getting the vast majority of the money - but that doesn't justify illegally downloading content.

Precisely why downloading a different format of something you already own shouldn't be illegal. If you have a VHS copy of a film, I think you should be allowed to download a Blu-ray rip of it legally, for example. It's the same content - but that content is now available in better quality.

The point about the artists getting the money, rather than those who produce the media it comes on, is that you have paid for the artistic content and it shouldn't matter how you have it or how you obtained it, so long as you have at some point paid for it.

Last edited by Bertster7 (2008-07-24 12:59:56)

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

Is it illegal though?  I thought I read a statement a few years ago saying that it was alright to own an electronic copy of media you have legally purchased, but I admit it is fuzzy.  Either way, I agree with that.

Like I said, I have a problem with people being too lazy or cheap to buy music and then making pathetic excuses for it.  At least admit what you are doing is unethical instead of trying to justify it.

Yes it's illegal. Read the DMCA. The only way it's legal is if you make the copy from the source you bought.

Depends on the country you're in though. I think in the EU it may be illegal. In Canada it's not, the same with many other places.

Last edited by Bertster7 (2008-07-24 13:07:09)

Bertster7 wrote:

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

Is it illegal though?  I thought I read a statement a few years ago saying that it was alright to own an electronic copy of media you have legally purchased, but I admit it is fuzzy.  Either way, I agree with that.

Like I said, I have a problem with people being too lazy or cheap to buy music and then making pathetic excuses for it.  At least admit what you are doing is unethical instead of trying to justify it.

Yes it's illegal. Read the DMCA. The only way it's legal is if you make the copy from the source you bought.

And even then, you had better not break any encryption making your own personal copy!  Ripping DVDs for personal use is a violation of the DMCA because you must circumvent the encryption first.

As far as being able to have multiple copies of things you already own, I was under the impression that the copy cannot be of better quality than your original.  That's part of the problem with digital copies-- the copies are of identical quality.

Edit:  I am referring to the US here.  I don't know how things are in the UK.

Last edited by SenorToenails (2008-07-24 13:11:01)

SenorToenails wrote:

Bertster7 wrote:

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

Is it illegal though?  I thought I read a statement a few years ago saying that it was alright to own an electronic copy of media you have legally purchased, but I admit it is fuzzy.  Either way, I agree with that.

Like I said, I have a problem with people being too lazy or cheap to buy music and then making pathetic excuses for it.  At least admit what you are doing is unethical instead of trying to justify it.

Yes it's illegal. Read the DMCA. The only way it's legal is if you make the copy from the source you bought.

And even then, you had better not break any encryption making your own personal copy!  Ripping DVDs for personal use is a violation of the DMCA because you must circumvent the encryption first.

As far as being able to have multiple copies of things you already own, I was under the impression that the copy cannot be of better quality than your original.  That's part of the problem with digital copies-- the copies are of identical quality.

Edit:  I am referring to the US here.  I don't know how things are in the UK.

Isn't that pretty much exactly what I've been saying? You must make the copy from your own source - so it will be of lower/equal quality. It's a good point about the encryption though, I should've mentioned that.

I don't care. I'll certainly continue illegally downloading films and music - which I justify personally by buying/seeing in the cinema all the stuff I really like. I go to the cinema at least once a week and usually buy a DVD a week - I reckon I'm putting my fair share of money back into the system and that's what it's really all about, spending enough that it is profitable enough for them to continue to make loads of good films.

naightknifar wrote:

rough a shared RS account and high classed Warez sites, right?
My Father is PR boss for the MCA (Maratime & Coastguard Agency) so has close links with the Media

To be fair, just because your dad does it and he is in the media doesn't mean that it is still right to do. I agree partially with Bertster in that if you buy it, then you should have the right to it in different formats (in the case of that Beatles enthusiast the BBC quoted). However, the fact still lies that if you don't own the music and are downloading it then it is still illegal. Assuming you don't go out and then buy it - that is. Then again, this is kinda like the great irony in piracy. You buy / rent a movie and are bombarded with "Piracy. It's a Crime." slogans, and yet if you pirate it there is none of that. Always thought that was kind of amusing ...

It's funny because I won't go into a store and steal a tangible item, yet daily I do it virtually. (is that the right use of the word?) However most of the music I listen to now, such as Film and Game soundtracks cannot be actually be bought anywhere, and if I have legally rented or bought the movie or game (respectively) I do believe I have the right to the soundtrack. But not the distribution rights, of course.

Last edited by kylef (2008-07-24 14:15:11)