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God Save the Queen wrote:

CommieChipmunk wrote:

I love to see my tax dollars at work doing absolutely nothing for me.

you should do more research into the situation over there before you say something like that.  thats what I did.

why?  its easier to babble about the govt and find some youtube vids.

I hope they line the inner bowels of those jets with remote controlled bombs so we can just blow them up when the Paki government is taken over by islamist militants..or if the government turns on us.  I have NO DOUBT one of those will happen.  WHich is cool because I'm sure India would love to test their nukes on islamabad and peshawar.

CommieChipmunk wrote:

I love to see my tax dollars at work doing absolutely nothing for me.

Yes, I hate Social Security too.

But seriously, the only way to win with our system is to invest in the companies that run things.  If you already know millions upon millions will be spent on the defense industry through your taxes, then why not invest in them, so that this spending actually is doing something for you?

In many respects, smaller government is a pipe dream.  There are far too many lobbyists at work for us not to do things like what this thread shows.  You might as well cash in -- you know they definitely are.

Last edited by Turquoise (2008-07-24 16:36:00)

PureFodder wrote:

Lockheed Martin lobbyists must be getting a big fat bonus today.

Yes, good for them for selling a quality product.

God Save the Queen wrote:

he also did things during his administration that made it possible for the military industrial complex to profit in more ways than before.

Tell me what that was.. the things that were not done out of necessity that is.

God Save the Queen wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

God Save the Queen wrote:

he also did things during his administration that made it possible for the military industrial complex to profit in more ways than before.

Tell me what that was.. the things that were not done out of necessity that is.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eisenhower_Doctrine
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nsc_162/2
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_ajax


out of necessity? you could justify anything out of necessity.

Please.. I could find a more pervasive policy coming from a former Nobel "peace" prize winning president. You should place Eisenhower into some historical context, having just come out of a near civilization ending world war. Carter made it policy to intervene militarily if gas prices looked like they were going to go up. At least Eisenhower had the balls to warn us before dumping our money into the build up of foreign militaries.

God Save the Queen wrote:

so I guess expanding the military's role in world affairs doesnt equal a larger military industrial base?


please what?  all I did was present valid evidence which supports my statement, he increased the size and role and influence of the United States military in global affairs but he is remembered for his farewell address.

I never said I disagreed with what he did.  I never bashed him.  Why so defensive?

I'm defensive because if we ever needed a clear sign from a politician (the highest ranking) warning us about out of control unsupervised spending we had it. This crap that goes on now has become accepted. Washington is too powerful. As far as I'm concerned anytime the government wants to start giving away tax payer money in the hundreds of millions it should be voted on by the constituents. I get tired of everyone (not necessarily you) playing the poor me role when less than half of the country doesn't even show up to vote... the only tool we have to reign in these crooks is the ballot. You kinda fell in the line of fire.

Building up the Pakistani and Israeli military (who could probably give two shits about American interest) doesn't even fit into this picture:

I'm tired of it.

Poseidon wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

http://i35.tinypic.com/158aum8.gif

Where's the supposedly amazing Iranian military on that chart?

Probably 99 percent of that 82 billion.

God Save the Queen wrote:

Pakistan has recieved more than 10 billion dollars in official aid since 2001 and even more covertly.

The brits just doubled their aid.. although I don't know how much of that was in security.

Strategically this looks good, but in the long run...? At any rate, it's good to get Pakistan on the US's side to combat terrorism more effectively. They'll be more likely to cooperate with operations in their country.

-kon

Turquoise wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

God Save the Queen wrote:

so I guess expanding the military's role in world affairs doesnt equal a larger military industrial base?


please what?  all I did was present valid evidence which supports my statement, he increased the size and role and influence of the United States military in global affairs but he is remembered for his farewell address.

I never said I disagreed with what he did.  I never bashed him.  Why so defensive?

I'm defensive because if we ever needed a clear sign from a politician (the highest ranking) warning us about out of control unsupervised spending we had it. This crap that goes on now has become accepted. Washington is too powerful. As far as I'm concerned anytime the government wants to start giving away tax payer money in the hundreds of millions it should be voted on by the constituents. I get tired of everyone (not necessarily you) playing the poor me role when less than half of the country doesn't even show up to vote... the only tool we have to reign in these crooks is the ballot. You kinda fell in the line of fire.

Building up the Pakistani and Israeli military (who could probably give two shits about American interest) doesn't even fit into this picture:
http://i35.tinypic.com/158aum8.gif
I'm tired of it.

You did vote for Bush, didn't you?  IF so, then you really can't say much about excessive military spending.

However, I would agree that we spend far too much on the military.  Still, we've kind of reached the point of no return.  The military industrial complex runs this country along with a few other corporate consortiums.  At this point, it's more a matter of who to invest in and what lobbies to join rather than who to vote for.

Bush ran on the platform of being a conservative. He fed us a lie. And given the choice between Kerry and that douche bag gore I'd still vote for Bush. Two incompetent fucks that couldn't run a burger king. There is no such thing as "the point of no return". If you believe that than you truly have no grasp on the historic, real challenges humanity and your forefathers have faced.

God Save the Queen wrote:

this is really, really good.  it will only strengthen the pakistani military and our relationship with the most important ally in the region.  the people of pakistan will believe that the US is a partner for the long run.  This is exactly the best thing to happen, especially for the war on terror.  why arent people happy?

The free $230m part