US considers scrapping F22 Raptor early.

2008-07-25 05:49:18

#1

Burwhale: Save the BlobFish!; +136|6643|Brisneyland

The Australian wrote:
In talks with Mr Fitzgibbon in Washington last week, Mr Gates confirmed that the review of the F-22 was under way and that the future of the Raptor's production would be determined by the next administration in Washington.

This came as a suprise to me as I thought the F22 was very new and pretty much the best Fighter Jet in the world. Soaring maintenance costs in the F-22 program have prompted a review of the fighter's future production status.

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Personally I dont think the next administration would scrap the program, but a lot of people on the forums have some experience with Defence ( especially the Air Force), what do you think?

2008-07-25 05:53:47

#2

Mekstizzle: WALKER; +3,611|7042|London, England

They're not scrapping it, I just think they've realised that they have enough for now (that's the general gist i'm getting from this article). Maybe in 5 years time they'll start again, this plane is already miles ahead of anything else

Last edited by Mek-Stizzle (2008-07-25 05:54:17)

2008-07-25 06:03:46

#3

Burwhale: Save the BlobFish!; +136|6643|Brisneyland

Actually you are right, scrapping sounds a bit too severe. I guess they have enough F22's in the system to dominate airspace without needing more.

2008-07-25 06:17:37

#4

FEOS: Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate; +1,182|6832|'Murka

The debate within the US DoD is about keeping the production line open past the current run of 183 jets. The decision the next administration is going to have to make is whether to keep the line open or close it. Closing the production line makes buying any more basically fiscally impossible due to start-up costs to re-start the line.

“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
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2008-07-25 07:45:26

#5

Dilbert_X: The X stands for; +1,822|6527|eXtreme to the maX

The cost of restarting the line would be negligible compared with the design and development costs.

Fuck Israel

2008-07-25 07:47:08

#6

FEOS: Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate; +1,182|6832|'Murka

Dilbert_X wrote:
The cost of restarting the line would be negligible compared with the design and development costs.

Not quite "negligible", but certainly less. However, the R&D is a sunk cost at this point...restarting the line would be a new investment/cost.

“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular

2008-07-25 07:54:31

#7

Switch: Knee Deep In Clunge; +489|6884|Tyne & Wear, England

I want to know when the Typhoon is finally going into service.

My dad makes the engines, says they've done thousands of engines but they don't have a clue where they're ending up. The berk reckons there's a conspiracy behind them...

Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known.

2008-07-25 07:55:44

#8

m3thod: All kiiiiiiiiinds of gainz; +2,197|7092|UK

its already in service....

Blackbelts are just whitebelts who have never quit.

2008-07-25 08:02:37

#9

God Save the Queen: Banned; +628|6764|tropical regions of london

The Army needs more Bradleys.

2008-07-25 08:03:07

#10

M.O.A.B: 'Light 'em up!'; +1,220|6644|Escea

KILLSWITCH wrote:
I want to know when the Typhoon is finally going into service.

My dad makes the engines, says they've done thousands of engines but they don't have a clue where they're ending up. The berk reckons there's a conspiracy behind them...

There's a least one squadron using em, wonder if its coming to the airshow this weekend again.

2008-07-25 08:04:41

#11

Mekstizzle: WALKER; +3,611|7042|London, England

KILLSWITCH wrote:
I want to know when the Typhoon is finally going into service.

My dad makes the engines, says they've done thousands of engines but they don't have a clue where they're ending up. The berk reckons there's a conspiracy behind them...

Typhoon already is in service, remember when the RAF had to go intercept some Russkie Tu-95 Bears off the coast. They used Typhoons for that

2008-07-25 08:05:17

#12

Switch: Knee Deep In Clunge; +489|6884|Tyne & Wear, England

m3thod wrote:
its already in service....

Well yeah ... but I mean in actual combat, why the fuck hasn't it already replaced those rusty old Harriers in Iraq and Afghanistan.

And yeah MOAB There's gunna be one at the Airshow tomorrow and Sunday, never seen one in the air before. I'm going on Sunday apparently the weather is going to be better.

Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known.

2008-07-25 08:06:43

#13

m3thod: All kiiiiiiiiinds of gainz; +2,197|7092|UK

KILLSWITCH wrote:
m3thod wrote:
its already in service....
Well yeah ... but I mean in actual combat, why the fuck hasn't it already replaced those rusty old Harriers in Iraq and Afghanistan.

And yeah MOAB There's gunna be one at the Airshow tomorrow and Sunday, never seen one in the air before. I'm going on Sunday apparently the weather is going to be better.

coz we're scared of breaking em.

Blackbelts are just whitebelts who have never quit.

2008-07-25 08:07:58

#14

M.O.A.B: 'Light 'em up!'; +1,220|6644|Escea

KILLSWITCH wrote:
m3thod wrote:
its already in service....
Well yeah ... but I mean in actual combat, why the fuck hasn't it already replaced those rusty old Harriers in Iraq and Afghanistan.

And yeah MOAB There's gunna be one at the Airshow tomorrow and Sunday, never seen one in the air before. I'm going on Sunday apparently the weather is going to be better.

Ah, same for me, going this Sunday,

took this last year when I went, bloody loud the EF like.

https://img247.imageshack.us/img247/8933/pict0600nt2.jpg

2008-07-25 08:11:04

#15

m3thod: All kiiiiiiiiinds of gainz; +2,197|7092|UK

my karmaz messages have devolved into blowing up buses, schools and planes.

keep em coming bitches.

Blackbelts are just whitebelts who have never quit.

2008-07-25 08:11:26

#16

Switch: Knee Deep In Clunge; +489|6884|Tyne & Wear, England

Theres been some noisy fuckers performing practice flights over my house today like, havent a clue what they are but they look awesome, possibly GR4's.

Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known.

2008-07-25 08:13:12

#17

Switch: Knee Deep In Clunge; +489|6884|Tyne & Wear, England

m3thod wrote:

my karmaz messages have devolved into blowing up buses, schools and planes.

keep em coming bitches.

Lulz <3

Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known.

2008-07-25 08:13:38

#18

Surgeons: U shud proabbly f off u fat prik; +3,097|6910|Gogledd Cymru

m3thod wrote:

my karmaz messages have devolved into blowing up buses, schools and planes.

Which is harder to blow up m3th a bus or a building?

2008-07-25 08:14:00

#19

M.O.A.B: 'Light 'em up!'; +1,220|6644|Escea

KILLSWITCH wrote:
Theres been some noisy fuckers performing practice flights over my house today like, havent a clue what they are but they look awesome, possibly GR4's.

I've seen two Tornados, woke up to this loud roar and was half expecting my house to explode

2008-07-25 08:16:26

#20

m3thod: All kiiiiiiiiinds of gainz; +2,197|7092|UK

The Sheriff wrote:
m3thod wrote:

my karmaz messages have devolved into blowing up buses, schools and planes.
Which is harder to blow up m3th a bus or a building?

Depends on the angle the plane is flying at.

Blackbelts are just whitebelts who have never quit.

2008-07-25 08:38:27

#21

TrollmeaT: Aspiring Objectivist; +492|7093|Colorado

Well I don't see the need for any more since 1 of them can take on a whole squadron. It's an unbelieveable plane, if it was a girl I'd have sex with it. Ofcourse I liked the YF-23 a little better but I guess it's splitting hairs.

https://img77.imageshack.us/img77/3585/y23zv6.jpg

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2008-07-25 08:54:30

#22

Surgeons: U shud proabbly f off u fat prik; +3,097|6910|Gogledd Cymru

m3thod wrote:
The Sheriff wrote:
m3thod wrote:

my karmaz messages have devolved into blowing up buses, schools and planes.
Which is harder to blow up m3th a bus or a building?
Depends on the angle the plane is flying at.

lulz

2008-07-25 10:03:15

#23

Commie Killer: Member; +192|6808

The Airforce and Gates are in a disagreement as to what the Airforce should acquire. Gates wants more, cheaper planes and UAVs that can be used in the current war on terror. The AirForce wants more, expensive planes and a few UAV's that can be used in the war on terror and a possible upcoming conflict with Russia/China.

Right now, the production line for the F22 is capped at 183 planes, that means they are more expensive to procure per plane then they would be in higher numbers. The price would drop per plane with more purchased. The AirForce says it needs 381 planes to fulfill its requirements for the replacement of the F15A, B, and C models as well as other interceptors. Generally, its turned into a shit flinging contest between the AirForce and Gate supporters.

2008-07-25 11:06:27

#24

acEofspadEs6313: Shiny! Let's be bad guys.; +102|7113|NAS Jacksonville, Florida

God Save the Queen wrote:
The Army needs more Bradleys.

Lol. Why more of those when you have the Stryker, which is quieter, faster, has the capability for multiple gun packages (can even put the Rheinmetall 120mm /L55 Tank Gun [M268 Tank Gun in the US Army] on it), and cheaper?

2008-07-25 11:10:50

#25

Major.League.Infidel: Make Love and War; +303|6899|Communist Republic of CA, USA

acEofspadEs6313 wrote:
God Save the Queen wrote:
The Army needs more Bradleys.
Lol. Why more of those when you have the Stryker, which is quieter, faster, has the capability for multiple gun packages (can even put the Rheinmetall 120mm /L55 Tank Gun [M268 Tank Gun in the US Army] on it), and cheaper?

Cause the stryker can't take an RPG hit (without the cage). Plus Wheeled vs Tracked, etc. Bradley is also much better at multiple jobs without needing to completely redo the vehicle.

And 25 mike mike of love.

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