And you concede that every politician will milk something for everything it's worth?lowing wrote:
I am not one bit irate.
Just call a spade a spade nothing more nothing less.
Yup, but not many politicans try and scanalize their publicity stunts.CameronPoe wrote:
And you concede that every politician will milk something for everything it's worth?lowing wrote:
I am not one bit irate.
Just call a spade a spade nothing more nothing less.
Me like Isreal. It good.CameronPoe wrote:
What would Bush have written?lowing wrote:
Nope I would expect him to write a perfect prayer, as if it were gunna be read to the public...........oh wait
Now that is a lie. Don't give me the 'honorable' politician bullshit. You know fine well 99.9% of politicians are self-interested publicity mongers.lowing wrote:
Yup, but not many politicans try and scanalize their publicity stunts.
Yup they are, but they do not try and SCANDALIZE their own stunts for attentionCameronPoe wrote:
Now that is a lie. Don't give me the 'honorable' politician bullshit. You know fine well 99.9% of politicians are self-interested publicity mongers.lowing wrote:
Yup, but not many politicans try and scanalize their publicity stunts.
"Obama, now finishing up the European leg of his tour, has not commented on his private prayer being made public in Jerusalem."lowing wrote:
Yup they are, but they do not try and SCANDALIZE their own stunts for attentionCameronPoe wrote:
Now that is a lie. Don't give me the 'honorable' politician bullshit. You know fine well 99.9% of politicians are self-interested publicity mongers.lowing wrote:
Yup, but not many politicans try and scanalize their publicity stunts.
I think you'll find it was the Rabbi that scandalised it.
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Ok great, so it wasn't planned....tell ya what, you believe that bullshit, just like you believe how rare Islamic terrorism is and we can move on.CameronPoe wrote:
"Obama, now finishing up the European leg of his tour, has not commented on his private prayer being made public in Jerusalem."lowing wrote:
Yup they are, but they do not try and SCANDALIZE their own stunts for attentionCameronPoe wrote:
Now that is a lie. Don't give me the 'honorable' politician bullshit. You know fine well 99.9% of politicians are self-interested publicity mongers.
I think you'll find it was the Rabbi that scandalised it.
lol Lowing. You still think he planned and orchestrated the whole thing for his note to become public. There's zero evidence for it. And to say that his note was too well written and seems suspect is quite pathetic.
Can't quite remember the last time Dublin was bombed by fundamentalist Islamic terrorists. Come to mention it I can't quite remember the last time Berlin was bombed. Or Barcelona. Or Paris. Or Marseille. Or Prague. Or Boston. Or San Francisco. Or Los Angeles. Or Chicago. Or Miami. Or Rome. Or Venice. Or Florence. Or Genoa. Or Lisbon. Or Oporto. Or Amsterdam. Or Brussels. Or Bruges. Or Stockholm. Or Oslo. Or Helsinki. Or Copenhagen. Or Zurich. Or Budapest. Or Vienna. Or Salzburg. Or Munich. Or Warsaw. Or Krakow. Or St. Petersburg. Or Dallas. Or San Antonio. Or Austin. Or Athens. Or Thessalonika. Or Sofia. Or Bucharest. Or Ljubljana. Or Bratislava. Or Sydney. Or Perth. Or Tokyo. Or Melbourne. Or Osaka. Or Kyoto. Or Seoul. Or Beijing. Or Hong Kong. Or Xi'an. Or Shanghai. Or Mexico City. Or Rio de Janeiro. Or Buenos Aires. Or La Paz. Or Caracas. Or Panama City. Or Tegucigalpa. Or San José. Or Managua. Or Belmopan. Or Seattle. Or Abu Dhabi. Or Dubai. Or Doha. Or Astana. Or Dushanbe. Or Ashghabat. Or Baku. Or Damascus. Or Muscat. Or Tripoli. Or Johannesburg. Or Kampala. Etc., etc.lowing wrote:
Ok great, so it wasn't planned....tell ya what, you believe that bullshit, just like you believe how rare Islamic terrorism is and we can move on.CameronPoe wrote:
"Obama, now finishing up the European leg of his tour, has not commented on his private prayer being made public in Jerusalem."lowing wrote:
Yup they are, but they do not try and SCANDALIZE their own stunts for attention
I think you'll find it was the Rabbi that scandalised it.
So we have bombings in London, Madrid, New York City and Washigton DC (the latter two occurring on one day as part of one operation) and one nutter who burns himself alive at a Scottish airport and you think the sky is falling in. Hilarious. I've seen and heard about enough bombs in my lifetime in Northern Ireland to know that we don't face any kind of existential threat and to know that the manner in which the issue is being combatted is completely arseways.
With all these Muslims around surely we should expect at least a bomb a day lowing, if not more?
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Of course its a stunt. He knows full well that anything he does, says, writes or even breathes will be public fodder. Isn't that the whole idea of campaigning nowadays? Show'em what they want to see.
Obama is a great orator and public figure. He may or may not have orchestrated the finding of the note, doesn't matter in my opinion. He knew it was a distinct possibility and I am sure he made every effort to write something that would endere him to Christians.
Obama is a great orator and public figure. He may or may not have orchestrated the finding of the note, doesn't matter in my opinion. He knew it was a distinct possibility and I am sure he made every effort to write something that would endere him to Christians.
"The President does not have power under the Constitution to unilaterally authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation" - Barack Obama (a freshman senator from Illinios)
Somehow it seems that 'religious' democrats receive a lot less flak for their 'religious' activities than republicans.Obama didn't pray for an election victory, a lottery win to help pay for his campaign, or for his Republican rival Senator John McCain to be felled by lightning or a pecadillo. On the contrary; his prayer hints at the struggle within, how Obama is seeking divine guidance to surmount the obstacles that lie ahead of him in his lonely, awesome challenge to become the next president of the United States. On hotel stationary, he penned the following prayer, according to Maariv, which ran a photo of the note: "Lord, protect my family and me," Obama wrote. "Forgive me my sins and help me guard against pride and despair. Give me the wisdom to do what is right and just. And make me an instrument of your will."
That's because religious Republicans/conservatives are "nut jobs" who want to "bring the Rapture into existence" by mindless support of Israel.unnamednewbie13 wrote:
Somehow it seems that 'religious' democrats receive a lot less flak for their 'religious' activities than republicans.
Really.
Just ask the level-headed, objective liberals on BF2S.
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“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
Lowing basking in his own ignorance tbh.. Rather than some eloquently penned master piece to be cynically released to "the public" it's a fairly bog standard type of prayer that hundreds of millions of Catholics would say everyday, which i believe was taken not by one of his entourage to the media but by some Jew, from what I can gather. Plus Lowing you do know that here in the UK Militiant Islamist's are not the main focus of the British services in the U.K. What with things grinding to a halt here, as the powesharing agreenemt comes apart at the seams though Loyalist intragence, the main "worry" to the UK is no longer from militiant Islam but from these shores.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2008/jul/2 … uksecurityThe security services are picking up more suspicious activity from Northern Ireland's dissident republicans than from any other radical group in the UK, the Guardian has learned.
Up to 60% of all the security services' electronic intercepts - phonetaps and other covert technical operations - have come from dissidents, despite the threat posed by hundreds of suspected Islamist extremists on the mainland.
MI5 is directing its attention to a hardcore of republicans, fearing they are determined to destabilise the peace process.
Sir Hugh Orde, chief constable of the Police Service of Northern Ireland, has separately confirmed that the dissident threat is the highest since he took office.
'Mishmash of different factions in different areas'
With fears escalating over the intent of republicans opposed to powersharing in the province, security sources have told the Guardian that:
· 80 hardcore dissidents may be plotting terrorist attacks.
· The Real IRA and Continuity IRA's short- term goal is to kill a Catholic police officer in the hope of deterring young Catholics and nationalists from joining the PSNI.
· Dissidents' targets have also recently extended to prison officers.
· Police numbers are so stretched that officers with anti-terrorist experience are being transferred from Greater Belfast - once the crucible of the Troubles - to rural areas.
Orde agreed the threat from the anti-peace process republicans was real despite the arrest of dozens of dissidents. "It is as high as it has been in my time in the service," he told the Guardian. "Significant efforts are ongoing to tackle the threat. The aim where possible, is to arrest those involved, charge them and bring them to court and to date over 30 people have been arrested this year." Support within republican communities for the PSNI was helping in the anti-terror drive, he added.
Irish security sources confirmed the intelligence war was concentrated on counties Derry, Tyrone and Fermanagh.
One senior Dublin official said: "Their prime targets are Catholic officers who they regard as vulnerable and politically more important in terms of their armed campaign."
He pointed to a relatively unreported landmine attack aimed at killing PSNI officers at Rosslea in Co Fermanagh, near the Irish border, last month as evidence that the dissident threat was the highest since the Omagh atrocity 10 years ago.
The Dublin security official pointed out that the June 14 attempt was the first landmine attack since the Provisional IRA's first ceasefire 14 years ago.
Although officially police have the lead in security policy in the province, MI5 has taken over surveillance operations against dissident republicans. Due to policing reforms the number of special branch anti-terrorist officers has dropped over the last five years. In some areas, such as West Belfast, the number of experienced special branch officers has halved.
Jeffrey Donaldson, a junior Stormont junior minister said he believed the threat from the anti-peace process republicans was extremely high.
Donaldson, who also represents Lagan Valley at Westminster and had two cousins in the police killed during the Troubles, confirmed that the Real IRA and Continuity IRA's target net had widened to include prison officers.
"It's in the nature of terrorism that they will kill anyone but I understand that their principal targets are Catholic members of the security forces ..." the DUP MP said. He said he had been told that a number of Catholic prison officers had been moved out of their homes recently after intelligence indicated they were being targeted for assassination.
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Why are you so pissed off lowing? This is a totally non-newsworthy story.
So he wrote a non-offensive prayer and stuck it in the wailing wall...hold the front page! The only thing of note that this story shows is that Obama is a religious douchebag just like every other American President..."Make me an instrument of your will"...for fucks sake, if we heard that kind of talk coming out of the leader of Saudi Arabia or Pakistan we'd all be ducking under the kitchen table and painting the windows white.
So he wrote a non-offensive prayer and stuck it in the wailing wall...hold the front page! The only thing of note that this story shows is that Obama is a religious douchebag just like every other American President..."Make me an instrument of your will"...for fucks sake, if we heard that kind of talk coming out of the leader of Saudi Arabia or Pakistan we'd all be ducking under the kitchen table and painting the windows white.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/IG-Calibre wrote:
Lowing basking in his own ignorance tbh.. Rather than some eloquently penned master piece to be cynically released to "the public" it's a fairly bog standard type of prayer that hundreds of millions of Catholics would say everyday, which i believe was taken not by one of his entourage to the media but by some Jew, from what I can gather. Plus Lowing you do know that here in the UK Militiant Islamist's are not the main focus of the British services in the U.K. What with things grinding to a halt here, as the powesharing agreenemt comes apart at the seams though Loyalist intragence, the main "worry" to the UK is no longer from militiant Islam but from these shores.http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2008/jul/2 … uksecurityThe security services are picking up more suspicious activity from Northern Ireland's dissident republicans than from any other radical group in the UK, the Guardian has learned.
Up to 60% of all the security services' electronic intercepts - phonetaps and other covert technical operations - have come from dissidents, despite the threat posed by hundreds of suspected Islamist extremists on the mainland.
MI5 is directing its attention to a hardcore of republicans, fearing they are determined to destabilise the peace process.
Sir Hugh Orde, chief constable of the Police Service of Northern Ireland, has separately confirmed that the dissident threat is the highest since he took office.
'Mishmash of different factions in different areas'
With fears escalating over the intent of republicans opposed to powersharing in the province, security sources have told the Guardian that:
· 80 hardcore dissidents may be plotting terrorist attacks.
· The Real IRA and Continuity IRA's short- term goal is to kill a Catholic police officer in the hope of deterring young Catholics and nationalists from joining the PSNI.
· Dissidents' targets have also recently extended to prison officers.
· Police numbers are so stretched that officers with anti-terrorist experience are being transferred from Greater Belfast - once the crucible of the Troubles - to rural areas.
Orde agreed the threat from the anti-peace process republicans was real despite the arrest of dozens of dissidents. "It is as high as it has been in my time in the service," he told the Guardian. "Significant efforts are ongoing to tackle the threat. The aim where possible, is to arrest those involved, charge them and bring them to court and to date over 30 people have been arrested this year." Support within republican communities for the PSNI was helping in the anti-terror drive, he added.
Irish security sources confirmed the intelligence war was concentrated on counties Derry, Tyrone and Fermanagh.
One senior Dublin official said: "Their prime targets are Catholic officers who they regard as vulnerable and politically more important in terms of their armed campaign."
He pointed to a relatively unreported landmine attack aimed at killing PSNI officers at Rosslea in Co Fermanagh, near the Irish border, last month as evidence that the dissident threat was the highest since the Omagh atrocity 10 years ago.
The Dublin security official pointed out that the June 14 attempt was the first landmine attack since the Provisional IRA's first ceasefire 14 years ago.
Although officially police have the lead in security policy in the province, MI5 has taken over surveillance operations against dissident republicans. Due to policing reforms the number of special branch anti-terrorist officers has dropped over the last five years. In some areas, such as West Belfast, the number of experienced special branch officers has halved.
Jeffrey Donaldson, a junior Stormont junior minister said he believed the threat from the anti-peace process republicans was extremely high.
Donaldson, who also represents Lagan Valley at Westminster and had two cousins in the police killed during the Troubles, confirmed that the Real IRA and Continuity IRA's target net had widened to include prison officers.
"It's in the nature of terrorism that they will kill anyone but I understand that their principal targets are Catholic members of the security forces ..." the DUP MP said. He said he had been told that a number of Catholic prison officers had been moved out of their homes recently after intelligence indicated they were being targeted for assassination.
total count of terror attacks since 911, 11530 and counting, almost 5 per day not sure is a whole lot of "few and insignificant" attacks
Yeah but, that is what they already do (not necessarily Saudi Arabia or Pakistan, but you know what you meant and what I mean**), along with making other truly offensive remarks/statements. And yet, I am not hiding under the table now, nor boarding the windows up.Braddock wrote:
Why are you so pissed off lowing? This is a totally non-newsworthy story.
So he wrote a non-offensive prayer and stuck it in the wailing wall...hold the front page! The only thing of note that this story shows is that Obama is a religious douchebag just like every other American President..."Make me an instrument of your will"...for fucks sake, if we heard that kind of talk coming out of the leader of Saudi Arabia or Pakistan we'd all be ducking under the kitchen table and painting the windows white.
I think G.W. is a religious phony. I think Clinton's past-posturing was phony. I think Obama is playing to the American public's sentiment, they all do - here. There all phonies.
**How do you think Ajimadimwit thinks and presents himself?
They're killing each other in their own countries for the most part.lowing wrote:
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
total count of terror attacks since 911, 11530 and counting, almost 5 per day not sure is a whole lot of "few and insignificant" attacks
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I'd love to see this 'Religion of Peace' website, it sounds like it caters to Lowing's tastes perfectly. Unfortunately it's blocked by the firewall at work under the heading 'Advocacy Groups'. Perhaps I should set up a website called www.countryofpeace.com, documenting all politically driven deaths directly and indirectly attributable to US military and covert actions since 1945. I'm pretty sure the number faar outweighs anything www.religionofpeace.com could come up with.
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It's what you'd expect. There's a pic of Obama which mentions how his of Muslim decent.CameronPoe wrote:
I'd love to see this 'Religion of Peace' website, it sounds like it caters to Lowing's tastes perfectly. Unfortunately it's blocked by the firewall at work under the heading 'Advocacy Groups'.
Then there's this image of a small child in handcuffs and chains with the caption "Respectful Children"
As an advert for how great Islam is.
Links to other various anti-Islam anti-Muslim websites. And of course an image of the twin towers in smoke.
It's more pathetic than I had imagined then. I expected at least a facade of respectability.TheAussieReaper wrote:
It's what you'd expect. There's a pic of Obama which mentions how his of Muslim decent.
Then there's this image of a small child in handcuffs and chains with the caption "Respectful Children"
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/index … ild_sm.jpg
As an advert for how great Islam is.
Links to other various anti-Islam anti-Muslim websites. And of course an image of the twin towers in smoke.
I agree with you, except I think Bush is possibly thick enough to actually believe some of that religious bullshit. Anyone running for President has to play the game as regards religion if they want to get elected. An atheist will never be President of the US, not as it is currently anyhow...hell, they couldn't even tolerate a Catholic President. The US is in many ways a de facto religious state.topal63 wrote:
Yeah but, that is what they already do (not necessarily Saudi Arabia or Pakistan, but you know what you meant and what I mean**), along with other making truly offensive remarks/statements. And yet, I am not hiding under the table now, nor boarding the windows up.Braddock wrote:
Why are you so pissed off lowing? This is a totally non-newsworthy story.
So he wrote a non-offensive prayer and stuck it in the wailing wall...hold the front page! The only thing of note that this story shows is that Obama is a religious douchebag just like every other American President..."Make me an instrument of your will"...for fucks sake, if we heard that kind of talk coming out of the leader of Saudi Arabia or Pakistan we'd all be ducking under the kitchen table and painting the windows white.
I think G.W. is a religious phony. I think Clinton's past-posturing was phony. I think Obama is playing to the American public's sentiment, they all do - here. There all phonies.
predicably junior forgot to describe this portion of the website.CameronPoe wrote:
It's more pathetic than I had imagined then. I expected at least a facade of respectability.TheAussieReaper wrote:
It's what you'd expect. There's a pic of Obama which mentions how his of Muslim decent.
Then there's this image of a small child in handcuffs and chains with the caption "Respectful Children"
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/index … ild_sm.jpg
As an advert for how great Islam is.
Links to other various anti-Islam anti-Muslim websites. And of course an image of the twin towers in smoke.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Pages … uslims.htm
Like it or not, it discribes the truth with factual evidence and links...Sorry
^ that page is a disclaimer pretty much saying don't judge a book by it's cover.
The heading images it consist of include - A woman holding a "Freedom Go To Hell Image" , a shirtless man about to be whipped. And, then there's an image of two hooded men about to decapitate a kneeling victim.
Yes. Just what you would expect from a moderate, fair sided, evenly opinionated and well researched website.
But hey, that's just the website disclaimer page. Feel free to view the rest of the site. Don't just judge a book by the cover.
The heading images it consist of include - A woman holding a "Freedom Go To Hell Image" , a shirtless man about to be whipped. And, then there's an image of two hooded men about to decapitate a kneeling victim.
Yes. Just what you would expect from a moderate, fair sided, evenly opinionated and well researched website.
But hey, that's just the website disclaimer page. Feel free to view the rest of the site. Don't just judge a book by the cover.
Last edited by TheAussieReaper (2008-07-28 06:57:00)
He probably paid the guy to take the note to a news paper, or counted on it happening.
So is he jewish now? lol , what a suck up.
So is he jewish now? lol , what a suck up.
So now, it is bullshit if they say "don't judge a book by its cover" and they are fucked up and biased if they do.TheAussieReaper wrote:
^ that page is a disclaimer pretty much saying don't judge a book by it's cover.
The heading images it consist of include - A woman holding a "Freedom Go To Hell Image" , a shirtless man about to be whipped. And, then there's an image of two hooded men about to decapitate a kneeling victim.
Yes. Just what you would expect from a moderate, fair sided, evenly opinionated and well researched website.
But hey, that's just the website disclaimer page. Feel free to view the rest of the site. Don't just judge a book by the cover.
How exactly, does one win with you?
Is there anything on this site that is FALSE?
lol, look past the words and read whats on some of the links and actually view the images.lowing wrote:
So now, it is bullshit if they say "don't judge a book by its cover" and they are fucked up and biased if they do.
It's propaganda that reminds me of a Jihadist website, if it were run by Christian fundamentalists.