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2008-07-28 12:20:19

#101

m3thod: All kiiiiiiiiinds of gainz; +2,197|7092|UK

lowing wrote:
m3thod wrote:
lowing wrote:

Why is that? Is there something posted on that website that ISN'T true? If so, by all means show me what it is.
Because it a website reporting crimes committed by muslims. It's dumb, bias and only attacts the stupid.

http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/200 … y_13_.html

This is terrorism? Sure is according to your website. And anyway terrorism is in the eye of the beholder.
Is the story untrue? Is anything in the site untrue? Is any of the websites that this site links have anything in it that is untrue.

you guys are killing me. Any site that contradicts your argument is biased, and any site that supports your argument is the REAL truth...It is getting tiresome.

WTF? No one said the story was a fabrication. LOOK at the wider picture. This website of yours is CHERRY PICKING CRIMES committed by muslims and is solely 'reporting' on them under the religion of peace banner. DOES THAT SOUND CREDIBLE?

If i created a website called www.thewhitemanisanevilcunt.com and linked to every crime committed by one as reported in the BBC...(why not! all whiteys are christian war mongers ) would would that be credible? worthwhile?

Are you getting it yet?

Blackbelts are just whitebelts who have never quit.

2008-07-28 15:10:58

#102

CameronPoe: Member; +2,925|6976

lowing wrote:
Only you would think a murder in the US is the same thing as what is being done in the name of Islam all over the world.

No - only you would think that all murder, rape and physical assault done in Middle Eastern countries is a direct consequence of religion. Only you would characterise countries on the basis of acts perpetrated by criminals. Only you would characterise entire groups of countries on the basis of a legal system only practised in three or four countries of a total of probably thirty.

2008-07-28 15:13:36

#103

Braddock: Agitator; +916|6711|Éire

Here you go lowing, the Internet is full of stuff to back up any one-sided argument...

http://uswarcrimes.org/
http://www.consumersforpeace.org/pdf/wa … 101006.pdf
http://www.counterpunch.org/stephens05132005.html
http://www.mediamonitors.net/gowans22.html
http://www.democracynow.org/2004/11/19/ … n_fallujah
http://www.twf.org/News/Y1998/WarCrimes.html
http://www.greenleft.org.au/2004/608/31263
http://www.crimesofwar.org/onnews/news-us-icc.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/27/world … or.html?em
http://www.organicconsumers.org/article … e_7479.cfm

If I was a loser with an axe to grind I could collate all these kinds of stories into one website designed specifically to attack the US in the same way that your favourite website attacks Islam.

2008-07-28 15:29:31

#104

m3thod: All kiiiiiiiiinds of gainz; +2,197|7092|UK

yay bradders! you found some random links so it must be true!

Last edited by m3thod (2008-07-28 15:29:49)

Blackbelts are just whitebelts who have never quit.

2008-07-28 15:33:03

#105

Braddock: Agitator; +916|6711|Éire

m3thod wrote:
yay bradders! you found some random links so it must be true!

You bet your ass...and no amount of rational argument is gonna sway me!

Last edited by Braddock (2008-07-28 15:33:36)

2008-07-28 15:35:47

#106

lowing: Banned; +1,662|7072|USA

CameronPoe wrote:
lowing wrote:
Only you would think a murder in the US is the same thing as what is being done in the name of Islam all over the world.
No - only you would think that all murder, rape and physical assault done in Middle Eastern countries is a direct consequence of religion. Only you would characterise countries on the basis of acts perpetrated by criminals. Only you would characterise entire groups of countries on the basis of a legal system only practised in three or four countries of a total of probably thirty.

No not only a religion Cam, a culture, an archaic and ancient backward belief system that plays no roll in modern western society. I wish Islam were ONLY a religion.

2008-07-28 15:38:20

#107

usmarine: Banned; +2,785|7182

another good discussion ruined by the euro gangbang team.

2008-07-28 15:46:46

#108

CameronPoe: Member; +2,925|6976

lowing wrote:
No not only a religion Cam, a culture, an archaic and ancient backward belief system that plays no roll in modern western society. I wish Islam were ONLY a religion.

Well it's just as well we live in good Christian/Atheist countries then isn't it? It would bother most people to have to live in an alien culture - something neither of us have to put up with (although you did choose to go to Iraq rather oddly). It's just as well affluence tends to destroy religion, in fact I take delight in that.

Last edited by CameronPoe (2008-07-28 15:47:20)

2008-07-28 16:16:36

#109

Turquoise: O Canada; +1,596|6826|North Carolina

Braddock wrote:
Turquoise wrote:
mtb0minime wrote:
Killing in the name of.... *dun dun--DUNT*

That number surprises me. I thought it would've been more like 10% or something. They're always talking about how the younger generations in 1st-world countries aren't extremists and don't believe in killing and all that crap.
Second generation Muslim immigrants actually tend to be more extremist than their parents because of feelings of alienation in the mainstream culture, a naive ignorance of how desperate and oppressive their countries of origin often are, and because there are extremist clerics in countries like Britain that prey on disillusioned Muslim youths.

Basically, the 2nd generation Muslims that fit this description are naive, ignorant pawns. Thankfully, most 2nd generation Muslims aren't such idiots.
It's no wonder many feel alienated, as m3thod has pointed out before, when so many in your society don't mind reminding you that you're "a fucking Paki" at every opportunity it's easy to see why many second or third generation immigrants feel very little affinity towards their adopted home. Add to this some romanticed and unrealistic views about their homeland and a dash of youthful naivity and you have a dangerous cocktail.

Indeed, but experiencing racism doesn't justify killing others out of rage.

2008-07-28 16:20:20

#110

lowing: Banned; +1,662|7072|USA

CameronPoe wrote:
lowing wrote:
No not only a religion Cam, a culture, an archaic and ancient backward belief system that plays no roll in modern western society. I wish Islam were ONLY a religion.
Well it's just as well we live in good Christian/Atheist countries then isn't it? It would bother most people to have to live in an alien culture - something neither of us have to put up with (although you did choose to go to Iraq rather oddly). It's just as well affluence tends to destroy religion, in fact I take delight in that.

If it would bother most people then most people probably shouldn't do it should they?

2008-07-28 16:20:58

#111

Braddock: Agitator; +916|6711|Éire

Turquoise wrote:
Braddock wrote:
Turquoise wrote:

Second generation Muslim immigrants actually tend to be more extremist than their parents because of feelings of alienation in the mainstream culture, a naive ignorance of how desperate and oppressive their countries of origin often are, and because there are extremist clerics in countries like Britain that prey on disillusioned Muslim youths.

Basically, the 2nd generation Muslims that fit this description are naive, ignorant pawns. Thankfully, most 2nd generation Muslims aren't such idiots.
It's no wonder many feel alienated, as m3thod has pointed out before, when so many in your society don't mind reminding you that you're "a fucking Paki" at every opportunity it's easy to see why many second or third generation immigrants feel very little affinity towards their adopted home. Add to this some romanticed and unrealistic views about their homeland and a dash of youthful naivity and you have a dangerous cocktail.
Indeed, but experiencing racism doesn't justify killing others out of rage.

No it does not but if society is going to vilify extremists and question why such attitudes hold sway it must hold up its hand for the part that it's own inherent racism plays.

2008-07-28 16:22:38

#112

Turquoise: O Canada; +1,596|6826|North Carolina

Braddock wrote:
Turquoise wrote:
Braddock wrote:

It's no wonder many feel alienated, as m3thod has pointed out before, when so many in your society don't mind reminding you that you're "a fucking Paki" at every opportunity it's easy to see why many second or third generation immigrants feel very little affinity towards their adopted home. Add to this some romanticed and unrealistic views about their homeland and a dash of youthful naivity and you have a dangerous cocktail.
Indeed, but experiencing racism doesn't justify killing others out of rage.
No it does not but if society is going to vilify extremists and question why such attitudes hold sway it must hold up its hand for the part that it's own inherent racism plays.

Definitely. Fighting racism is an ongoing battle. It will always exist. I have to say that these extremists aren't helping their own people though.

2008-07-28 16:28:30

#113

Braddock: Agitator; +916|6711|Éire

Turquoise wrote:
Braddock wrote:
Turquoise wrote:

Indeed, but experiencing racism doesn't justify killing others out of rage.
No it does not but if society is going to vilify extremists and question why such attitudes hold sway it must hold up its hand for the part that it's own inherent racism plays.
Definitely. Fighting racism is an ongoing battle. It will always exist. I have to say that these extremists aren't helping their own people though.

They aren't helping their own people at all, I agree. It must be remembered that these extremists make up a minority as regards the global Muslim population, if these extremists were to ever establish rule it would not be representative of the Muslim people. I don't think many Iranian women would appreciate living in a Saudi Arabian style society for example.

2008-07-29 04:22:14

#114

Dilbert_X: The X stands for; +1,822|6526|eXtreme to the maX

There were quite a few at uni, none at the beer festival though.

Fuck Israel

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