BF2S Forums An Obama publicity stunt?

Braddock wrote:

topal63 wrote:

Braddock wrote:

Why are you so pissed off lowing? This is a totally non-newsworthy story.

So he wrote a non-offensive prayer and stuck it in the wailing wall...hold the front page! The only thing of note that this story shows is that Obama is a religious douchebag just like every other American President..."Make me an instrument of your will"...for fucks sake, if we heard that kind of talk coming out of the leader of Saudi Arabia or Pakistan we'd all be ducking under the kitchen table and painting the windows white.

Yeah but, that is what they already do (not necessarily Saudi Arabia or Pakistan, but you know what you meant and what I mean**), along with making other truly offensive remarks/statements. And yet, I am not hiding under the table now, nor boarding the windows up.

I think G.W. is a religious phony. I think Clinton's past-posturing was phony. I think Obama is playing to the American public's sentiment, they all do - here. There all phonies.

I agree with you, except I think Bush is possibly thick enough to actually believe some of that religious bullshit. Anyone running for President has to play the game as regards religion if they want to get elected. An atheist will never be President of the US, not as it is currently anyhow...hell, they couldn't even tolerate a Catholic President. The US is in many ways a de facto religious state.

Last edited by topal63 (2008-07-28 08:54:53)

CameronPoe wrote:

lowing wrote:

This website shows Islam in a true light. Using its own actions as evidence.

It also differenciates Islam from Muslims. Something I have been pointing out for some time but is not accepted since it defuses all of your head in the sand bullshit argumnets FOR Islam.

It shows Islam in YOUR true light. It doesn't show Islam, as you thankfully have highlighted, as it is generally practiced: the most important thing of all. No wonder you're so rabid about Islam frequenting sites like that, full of inconsequential stories far from our own doorsteps and with little relevance to our societies. Try leaving your base and having some Arabic tea with a local.

CameronPoe wrote:

lowing wrote:

If Islam is not practiced as it is taught, then it is not Islam. Tell ya what, why don't you comb the internet and post some POSITIVE Islamic websites for me to read. Ya know, something that does not have any articles in there about Sharia Law in the EU, or Jihads or stonings etc.....

Show websites where Islam is active in the western communities blending in and postively affecting the community with charites FOR ALL, or fund raisers FOR ALL. Show where Islam is making western civilization BETTER with its culture and influence.

Fraid not lowing. Religions adapt. Christianity holds up homosexuals as the creation of the devil: now there are gay priests. That's where Luther made the breakthrough: preaching that religion can be adapted and interpreted as one pleased. Your country was built on this principle with the arrival of the Mayflower. Anybody who considers themselves a Muslim IS A MUSLIM, simple as. If you want to ignore that fact then that's your prerogative: nobody can deny you the right to ignorance.

Oh and try this equally-as-tacky-as-yours website I found quite funny: http://www.answering-christianity.com/ac5.htm#links

PS Why does Islam have to make western civilisation better? Are we not capable of that ourselves? You ask an awful lot of people you supposedly don't care about and supposedly only harbour malice for 'small minorities of', which you reiterate when being called out on your generalisations.

http://www.christianmuslimforum.org/sub … id=20&

PS One of the five pillars of Islam is Zakat - giving to charity.

PPS Kuwait gave $500m in aid to the New Orleans relief fund (the highest of all international donors), Qatar $100m, Pakistan $1.5m, Bangladesh (dirt poor) $1m, Oman $15m, . Egypt sent 2 C-130 planes loaded with blankets, medical equipment, and canned food. Iran offered to send humanitarian aid and 20 million barrels (3,200,000 m³) of crude oil. Tunisia sent two C-130s with relief supplies. UAE pledged $100m. Hmmmm.

CameronPoe wrote:

lowing wrote:

Because it is everyone who participates in a society to strive to make it better.

Well most Muslims in Ireland are doctors, restaurant owners or in IT or whatnot so I guess they're doing their bit.

lowing wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

lowing wrote:

Because it is everyone who participates in a society to strive to make it better.

Well most Muslims in Ireland are doctors, restaurant owners or in IT or whatnot so I guess they're doing their bit.

Then they are not who my posts against ISLAM are directed toward then is it?

I still differenciated between a religion and people. You can not do this since your arguments against my posts would collapse if you tried

I never said Muslims do not contribute to a society I said ISLAM does not move a society forward or contribute to a society positively. It detracts from it with its intolerance.

I said ISLAM does not move a society forward or contribute to a society positively.

Last edited by Dilbert_X (2008-07-29 05:48:30)

Dilbert_X wrote:

I said ISLAM does not move a society forward or contribute to a society positively.

Make blanket statements which are total bollocks and thats what you get.
Islam is fine in isolation - they were well ahead of the Christians who had a 1,000 yr head start.
Maybe it is the west thats the problem - nvadingz thur cuntriz n steelin thez moozlumz oil

CameronPoe wrote:

lowing wrote:

The people who have blended into western society and do not practice the faith of Islam as it meant to be practiced are not practicing Islam. To take a religion and cherry pick it and only recognize what suits you or is convenient for you is not practicing that religion. That goes for any religion.

Like I say we are never going to agree on this. You have a highly particular view on this. The nature of a faith and the way it is practiced by it's followers dictates what the faith is - because in reality it is all about interpretation. By your rationale you could not possibly avoid calling Judaism an inherently violent, bloodthirsty and archaic religion. Personally I don't think Judaism is - because Jews have a modern interpretation of it. These documents are not menat to be taken literally, especially in the modern context - they are metaphorical for the most part.

Dilbert_X wrote:

Islam is an intolerant religion set in the middle ages. It has no place with the strides modern western society has taken.

There you go again.

the strides modern western society has taken

Could you remind us when it was blacks were allowed to sit at the front of the bus?

Dilbert_X wrote:

Judaism is older, more archaic and intolerant and much more of a practical problem in the modern world than Islam.
Radical Islam is fundamentally a reaction against it.

CameronPoe wrote:

lowing wrote:

Nope, "interpretation" is the politically correct term for, "using what is convenient and doing whatever I feel like". It has nothing to do with the written word and therefore has nothing to with the religion that word is taught under.

So by saying Christians interpreted the bible to allow them to go on the crusades is fine. But the FACT of the matter is, they were NOT following the writen word of Jesus and therefore were NOT practicing Christianity. Regardless of what they call themselves.

Why are you avoiding my question regarding Judaism?

Repeat: By your rationale, is Judaism an archaic and violent religion?