Bin Laden ex-driver found guilty

2008-08-06 11:14:53

#1

JahManRed: wank; +646|7048|IRELAND

A US military jury at Guantanamo Bay has convicted Osama Bin Laden's former driver of supporting terrorism.
The verdict on Salim Hamdan is the first to be delivered in a full war crimes trial at the US prison in Cuba. Sentencing begins later on Wednesday.
The jury found Hamdan guilty of five of eight charges of supporting terrorism but acquitted him of two separate, more serious, charges of conspiracy.
The White House said the trial was fair and looked forward to more tribunals.
The defence team said it would appeal.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7545484.stm

Even if he had been acquitted he would not be allowed allowed to leave Gito, because he was stopped with 2 rocket propelled grenades in his car.

The trial judge admitted he may have gave an incorrect definition of a terrorist.

Other detainees testified he did nothing more than fix cars.

No Jurors

4 Military officers, paid by, effectively by the prosecutors decide the verdict

No Geneva Convention

Evidence used against him obtained by torture.

Hitlers, driver who swore an oath to him and drove Hitler to the conferences were policies which killed millions where formed never faced trial.

Is this Justice? Did he receive a fair trial? Was he entitled to a fair trial?
Discuss.

2008-08-06 13:54:51

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M.O.A.B: 'Light 'em up!'; +1,220|6643|Escea

Shouldn't have drove the big cheese's car.

2008-08-06 13:56:13

#3

ghettoperson: Member; +1,943|7070

M.O.A.B wrote:
Shouldn't have drove the big cheese's car.

True, however that isn't a crime in itself.

2008-08-06 13:57:29

#4

jord: Member; +2,382|7099|The North, beyond the wall.

The semi fair trial was more than what he was more likely to receive when he took the job of driving round a terrorist leader.

2008-08-06 14:10:28

#5

rammunition: Fully Loaded; +143|6282

if you are going to charge Bin Ladin's driver why not charge his trainers/armers aswell???

Last edited by rammunition (2008-08-06 14:14:55)

2008-08-06 14:12:47

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M.O.A.B: 'Light 'em up!'; +1,220|6643|Escea

ghettoperson wrote:
M.O.A.B wrote:
Shouldn't have drove the big cheese's car.
True, however that isn't a crime in itself.

I suppose not, but considering who his passenger was, unless he was living in a soundproofed glovebox he must've know exactly what he was doing. Plus being found with two RPG rounds kinda complete's the picture.

2008-08-06 14:14:37

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Poseidon: Fudgepack DeQueef; +3,253|6958|Long Island, New York

ghettoperson wrote:
M.O.A.B wrote:
Shouldn't have drove the big cheese's car.
True, however that isn't a crime in itself.

Driving around a terrorist mastermind isn't against the law?

That'd be like driving around a convicted serial killer who escaped from prison.

2008-08-06 14:22:23

#8

Shocking: sorry you feel that way; +333|6420|...

I would let him loose if he hasn't done anything wrong himself. Driving someone around isn't a crime imo, no matter who your passenger is.

By that logic you should convict his cook (and probably all the cleaning staff etc) too because he feeds laden/takes care of his home.

inane little opines

2008-08-06 14:24:09

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m3thod: All kiiiiiiiiinds of gainz; +2,197|7092|UK

who's next? The maid?

lol

Blackbelts are just whitebelts who have never quit.

2008-08-06 14:28:09

#10

ghettoperson: Member; +1,943|7070

Poseidon wrote:
ghettoperson wrote:
M.O.A.B wrote:
Shouldn't have drove the big cheese's car.
True, however that isn't a crime in itself.
Driving around a terrorist mastermind isn't against the law?

That'd be like driving around a convicted serial killer who escaped from prison.

No, more like driving around a suspected serial killer who keeps taunting the police by sending them video tapes, but thus far they've been unable to catch.

Still not a very serious crime though, no matter what he's (Bin Laden) done.

2008-08-06 15:17:29

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topal63: . . .; +533|7139

Poseidon wrote:
ghettoperson wrote:
M.O.A.B wrote:
Shouldn't have drove the big cheese's car.
True, however that isn't a crime in itself.
Driving around a terrorist mastermind isn't against the law?

That'd be like driving around a convicted serial killer who escaped from prison.

I agree, all Cab drivers look suspicious to me.

2008-08-06 15:51:07

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Stingray24: Proud member of the vast right-wing conspiracy; +1,060|6866|The Land of Scott Walker

Those aren't my RPGs, they're my friend's.

2008-08-06 15:55:49

#13

Turquoise: O Canada; +1,596|6826|North Carolina

The driver was rightfully found guilty, and Hitler's driver should've been tried as well.

2008-08-06 15:56:41

#14

Bell: Frosties > Cornflakes; +362|6970|UK

Whole thing is bullshit, they have had just about everybody but the man himself :\. He's probably dead, either that or he is the best hide and seek player ever.

Last edited by Bell (2008-08-06 16:05:14)

2008-08-06 16:13:57

#15

Vax: Member; +42|6272|Flyover country

hmmm

In late November, with U.S. forces sweeping across Afghanistan, Hamdan returned to his home in Kandahar for his young daughter and pregnant wife and drove them toward Pakistan. What happened next is a source of dispute between Hamdan and the government. According to his defense lawyers, Hamdan figured that he would be arrested if he tried to cross the border, so he instead dropped off his family and was planning to return the car, which he had borrowed, before finding a different way into Pakistan. Soufan and government prosecutors say that Hamdan remained in Afghanistan to fight alongside al-Qaeda and the Taliban. Their account is corroborated by the fact that the Northern Alliance forces that captured Hamdan in Afghanistan hours after he left his family at the border found two surface-to-air missiles in the trunk of his car.

source

He is described as being not only a driver, but a bodyguard. However they say he was not a member of Bin Ladens inner circle.

Seems to me he was likely heading back to fight, given the SAMS found in his car...

And

jord wrote:
The semi fair trial was more than what he was more likely to receive when he took the job of driving round a terrorist leader.

2008-08-06 16:23:58

#16

m3thod: All kiiiiiiiiinds of gainz; +2,197|7092|UK

Yes those highly reputable people from the Northern Alliance "found" SAMS in his car.

Is THAT who they have placed reliance upon? A load of donkey pushers who got their asses beat by those taleban muppets?

Last edited by m3thod (2008-08-06 16:24:13)

Blackbelts are just whitebelts who have never quit.

2008-08-06 16:34:31

#17

TrollmeaT: Aspiring Objectivist; +492|7093|Colorado

Off with his head.

2008-08-06 16:37:14

#18

Flaming_Maniac: prince of insufficient light; +2,490|7127|67.222.138.85

That is one unbiased OP.

2008-08-06 17:48:51

#19

Turquoise: O Canada; +1,596|6826|North Carolina

m3thod wrote:
Yes those highly reputable people from the Northern Alliance "found" SAMS in his car.

Is THAT who they have placed reliance upon? A load of donkey pushers who got their asses beat by those taleban muppets?

Who are we supposed to trust? If the answer is no one, then we really should get the fuck out.

2008-08-06 19:31:42

#20

Vax: Member; +42|6272|Flyover country

Turquoise wrote:
m3thod wrote:
Yes those highly reputable people from the Northern Alliance "found" SAMS in his car.

Is THAT who they have placed reliance upon? A load of donkey pushers who got their asses beat by those taleban muppets?
Who are we supposed to trust? If the answer is no one, then we really should get the fuck out.

Can't entirely trust anyones word I guess. But the NA were the guys fighting the taliban before we showed up, so it made sense to get on their side (?)

They did have a portion of the country iirc, and had a big following with Massoud, till he was assassinated.

I think we worked with some lousy warlords over there too.

2008-08-06 19:33:59

#21

usmarine: Banned; +2,785|7182

m3thod wrote:
Yes those highly reputable people from the Northern Alliance "found" SAMS in his car.

Is THAT who they have placed reliance upon? A load of donkey pushers who got their asses beat by those taleban muppets?

hey man, they lead the CIA to laden...but clinton pussed out.

2008-08-07 03:35:23

#22

Mekstizzle: WALKER; +3,611|7041|London, England

Look it makes sense. He was found guilty of supporting terrorism but found not guilty of the more serious charge of "conspiracy" (presumably that's conspiracy to commit murder/terrorism)

If it was a truly unfair trial he would've been guilty of everything and sent to life or something. Not saying that this trial ever had a different outcome to guilty, but you know....

Why the fuck would they start off by trying a driver anyway? They have some much more important bastards in that place to try. It's a bad/stupid PR move imo.

2008-08-07 06:37:05

#23

ghettoperson: Member; +1,943|7070

Mek-Stizzle wrote:
Look it makes sense. He was found guilty of supporting terrorism but found not guilty of the more serious charge of "conspiracy" (presumably that's conspiracy to commit murder/terrorism)

If it was a truly unfair trial he would've been guilty of everything and sent to life or something. Not saying that this trial ever had a different outcome to guilty, but you know....

Why the fuck would they start off by trying a driver anyway? They have some much more important bastards in that place to try. It's a bad/stupid PR move imo.

He is looking at life in jail. Hence why I am against this. That and your point about there being far more guilty people that they need to try.

2008-08-07 06:53:00

#24

.Sup: be nice; +2,646|6874|The Twilight Zone

If he would deny driving Osama he might be dead already.

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2008-08-07 07:35:47

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JahManRed: wank; +646|7048|IRELAND

ghettoperson wrote:
Mek-Stizzle wrote:
Look it makes sense. He was found guilty of supporting terrorism but found not guilty of the more serious charge of "conspiracy" (presumably that's conspiracy to commit murder/terrorism)

If it was a truly unfair trial he would've been guilty of everything and sent to life or something. Not saying that this trial ever had a different outcome to guilty, but you know....

Why the fuck would they start off by trying a driver anyway? They have some much more important bastards in that place to try. It's a bad/stupid PR move imo.
He is looking at life in jail. Hence why I am against this. That and your point about there being far more guilty people that they need to try.

Even if he had been found not guilty on all charges he would be detained indefinitely anyway as he is labeled and enemy combatant.

Al Queeda's No 3 said he was basically a numb skull only fit to change nuts and bolts.

Funny how terrorism works. I met a guy yesterday who blew up two Police men in their car and was let out after 4 years under the terms of the good Friday agreement. He made, planted and detonated a bomb which took two lives.
This guys is found with two rockets and gets life.

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