topal63
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CameronPoe wrote:

topal63 wrote:

Mek-Stizzle wrote:


Yeah. If the Earth slowed down slowly you wouldn't have none of that flying eastwards stuff, and then over a period of time you'd get tidal locking with the sun or something. Read my edit above about tidal locking
Yep. And, the side facing the moon would have its' tide height fixed due to gravitational attraction (of the moon) as well.

Weather patterns would definitely stagnate - compared to now. Growing seasons go bye bye. Though after a long time the side facing the sun would probably evolve to accommodate the stall - and the dark half would of course, more or less, die.
I'd say the light side would ultimately overheat from radiation absorption into the ground and reradiating back into the atmosphere slowly - assuming it didn't stop with the pacific pointing towards the sun.
LOL, Waterworld!!!
Vilham
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Mek-Stizzle wrote:

topal63 wrote:

I fail to see the word "suddenly" used in the question. Maybe everyone else speaks a different sort of "English" than I do.
Yeah. If the Earth slowed down slowly you wouldn't have none of that flying eastwards stuff, and then over a period of time you'd get tidal locking with the sun or something. Read my edit above about tidal locking
Think about it, if the earth stopped spinning we would have half the year as night and half the year as day. It wouldn't always face the sun on one side because that requires the earth spins at the same rate it circles the sun.
Kmar
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Vilham wrote:

Mek-Stizzle wrote:

topal63 wrote:

I fail to see the word "suddenly" used in the question. Maybe everyone else speaks a different sort of "English" than I do.
Yeah. If the Earth slowed down slowly you wouldn't have none of that flying eastwards stuff, and then over a period of time you'd get tidal locking with the sun or something. Read my edit above about tidal locking
Think about it, if the earth stopped spinning we would have half the year as night and half the year as day. It wouldn't always face the sun on one side because that requires the earth spins at the same rate it circles the sun.
You should explain that to the moon.
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Lotta_Drool
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Flaming_Maniac wrote:

Lotta_Drool wrote:

So the air is spinning at the same speed we are, no matter how high up the air is? 

Me thinks their is a flaw in this theory.
It took me a long time to grasp this idea...when I was 9.

Take a ball in a car even a convertible, get going at whatever speed. Drop the ball. Does it fly to the back of the car? No, it drops straight down. Do doughnuts in the car. The ball still drops relatively straight down, because it is moving with the car. As does the air over the earth.

Think about storms. Do they stay in one place as the earth rotates underneath them?
Try spinning your car ON AN AXIS at 1000 miles an hour and dropping the ball?  Please explain the Jet Stream for me also while you're on this role.
jaymz9350
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Kmarion wrote:

Vilham wrote:

Mek-Stizzle wrote:


Yeah. If the Earth slowed down slowly you wouldn't have none of that flying eastwards stuff, and then over a period of time you'd get tidal locking with the sun or something. Read my edit above about tidal locking
Think about it, if the earth stopped spinning we would have half the year as night and half the year as day. It wouldn't always face the sun on one side because that requires the earth spins at the same rate it circles the sun.
You should explain that to the moon.
It already knows, it rotates at the same rate as it orbits, that is why the same side always faces earth.
topal63
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jaymz9350 wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

Vilham wrote:


Think about it, if the earth stopped spinning we would have half the year as night and half the year as day. It wouldn't always face the sun on one side because that requires the earth spins at the same rate it circles the sun.
You should explain that to the moon.
It already knows, it rotates at the same rate as it orbits, that is why the same side always faces earth.
I tried 'splainen things to the moon, everything was going alright until it started 'splainen back.
Kmar
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jaymz9350 wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

Vilham wrote:

Think about it, if the earth stopped spinning we would have half the year as night and half the year as day. It wouldn't always face the sun on one side because that requires the earth spins at the same rate it circles the sun.
You should explain that to the moon.
It already knows, it rotates at the same rate as it orbits, that is why the same side always faces earth.
It couldn't have anything to do with tidal lock now could it?
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Vilham
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Kmarion wrote:

jaymz9350 wrote:

Kmarion wrote:


You should explain that to the moon.
It already knows, it rotates at the same rate as it orbits, that is why the same side always faces earth.
It couldn't have anything to do with tidal lock now could it?
I don't actually get what your point was before but if your suggesting the moon in effect with the earth not rotating would cause tidal lock your wrong. Tidal lock wouldn't happen if the earth stopped rotating.
Blehm98
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the side facing the sun would have all land masses turn to desert, with constant hurricane force winds

the side facing away from the sun would be really really cold, and probably not quite as windy

and the border would prolly be the windiest place of all, depending on where the hot air becomes cold and drops down to ground level
dun know about the water though

earth is too far from the sun to really have tidal forces control the earth's spin in any short length of time, although eventually i guess itwouldhappen
Vilham
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Blehm98 wrote:

the side facing the sun would have all land masses turn to desert, with constant hurricane force winds

the side facing away from the sun would be really really cold, and probably not quite as windy

and the border would prolly be the windiest place of all, depending on where the hot air becomes cold and drops down to ground level
dun know about the water though

earth is too far from the sun to really have tidal forces control the earth's spin in any short length of time, although eventually i guess itwouldhappen
Wrong and wrong.

Firstly half the year one half of the world would face the sun and then the other side would.

The sun and the moon both effect tidal patterns in a very complex way.
Flaming_Maniac
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If the earth was rotating at the same relative speed it was revolving, the same side would always face the sun. That is how the moon moves, and why the same side of the moon always faces us. (hence the mysterious "dark side of the moon")

Sheesh.
Vilham
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Flaming_Maniac wrote:

If the earth was rotating at the same relative speed it was revolving, the same side would always face the sun. That is how the moon moves, and why the same side of the moon always faces us. (hence the mysterious "dark side of the moon")

Sheesh.
I guess you missed the topic title aye.

Sheesh.
Kmar
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Vilham wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

jaymz9350 wrote:

It already knows, it rotates at the same rate as it orbits, that is why the same side always faces earth.
It couldn't have anything to do with tidal lock now could it?
I don't actually get what your point was before but if your suggesting the moon in effect with the earth not rotating would cause tidal lock your wrong. Tidal lock wouldn't happen if the earth stopped rotating.
Are you saying the suns gravity would not take control if the earth existing momentum was stopped? We have already seen examples of this behavior with other earth like planets that have stopped rotating. Eventually, with the help of dynamical friction, a planet can slow and can match a stars rotation. If the rotation of the earth was stopped we would be half way to tidal lock. We are talking over a very long period of time of course.
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Kmar
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Blehm98 wrote:

the side facing the sun would have all land masses turn to desert, with constant hurricane force winds

the side facing away from the sun would be really really cold, and probably not quite as windy

and the border would prolly be the windiest place of all, depending on where the hot air becomes cold and drops down to ground level
dun know about the water though

earth is too far from the sun to really have tidal forces control the earth's spin in any short length of time, although eventually i guess itwouldhappen
It would look something like whats going on over here.
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Vilham
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Kmarion wrote:

Vilham wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

It couldn't have anything to do with tidal lock now could it?
I don't actually get what your point was before but if your suggesting the moon in effect with the earth not rotating would cause tidal lock your wrong. Tidal lock wouldn't happen if the earth stopped rotating.
Are you saying the suns gravity would not take control if the earth existing momentum was stopped? We have already seen examples of this behavior with other earth like planets that have stopped rotating. Eventually, with the help of dynamical friction, a planet can slow and can match a stars rotation. If the rotation of the earth was stopped we would be half way to tidal lock. We are talking over a very long period of time of course.
seems like we have different views on what the op was suggesting i took the op as a permeant halt to any rotation rather than stopping and then regaing spin due to other objects gravity

even if the earth started rotating at 24000k a year the moons gravity (which has the largest effect on the tides) would prevent tidal lock. you would infact get a constant tidal pattern with high and low tides happening at exactly the same time each day

Last edited by Vilham (2008-08-06 17:31:11)

Kmar
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I was trying to explain that other more massive celestial bodies would eventually take control. The relative distance just means it will take longer (Moon vs Sun). I was expanding the discussion. The apocalyptic results of a non spinning Earth seem rather obvious.
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Blehm98
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Kmarion wrote:

Blehm98 wrote:

the side facing the sun would have all land masses turn to desert, with constant hurricane force winds

the side facing away from the sun would be really really cold, and probably not quite as windy

and the border would prolly be the windiest place of all, depending on where the hot air becomes cold and drops down to ground level
dun know about the water though

earth is too far from the sun to really have tidal forces control the earth's spin in any short length of time, although eventually i guess itwouldhappen
It would look something like whats going on over here.
well, after a few millions years yeah

like i said i don't know about water but it would be logical to assume it would be deposited as ice on whichever side isn't facing the sun

so a really hot windy sahara desert on one side and antarctica on the other
13rin
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Vilham wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

jaymz9350 wrote:


It already knows, it rotates at the same rate as it orbits, that is why the same side always faces earth.
It couldn't have anything to do with tidal lock now could it?
I don't actually get what your point was before but if your suggesting the moon in effect with the earth not rotating would cause tidal lock your wrong. Tidal lock wouldn't happen if the earth stopped rotating.
I think there would tend to be tidal waves.... And since the earth is in effect in the same spot very few if any plants would survive.  I think the planet would be pretty much f'ed.  I don't think any living organism of significance would survive the abrupt halt...I wish I had a cool physics engine to play with.  All I have is myself to play with.. er.
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