Has there ever been under 4?Braddock wrote:
You need more than one.usmarine wrote:
well you need war mongers just as much as you need useless nationsBraddock wrote:
Looks like there's more than one proud, war mongering superpower on the world stage again!
Georgia are pushing for NATO membership, the US have already spoken out against Russia infringing on Georgia's sovereignty and we all know about the controversy over the missile defence shield...Russia may be strategic allies at the moment but they are by no means America's bosom buddies.usmarine wrote:
if you knew anything, they are our ally. we train with their military. we serve with their military.Ryan wrote:
Before we know it, the US is going to decide to stick their nose in this new war and send troops into there. Why not just let them fight it out on their own?
fail ryan fails
"Keep your friends close but keep your enemies even closer"Braddock wrote:
Georgia are pushing for NATO membership, the US have already spoken out against Russia infringing on Georgia's sovereignty and we all know about the controversy over the missile defence shield...Russia may be strategic allies at the moment but they are by no means America's bosom buddies.usmarine wrote:
if you knew anything, they are our ally. we train with their military. we serve with their military.Ryan wrote:
Before we know it, the US is going to decide to stick their nose in this new war and send troops into there. Why not just let them fight it out on their own?
fail ryan fails
or something like that.
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The European powers were paper tigers in comparison to the US in recent years, China has only truly begun to awaken in recent years and many had thought Russia were a spent force and hence we had a global situation were the US were able to do almost as they pleased. Obviously the US would never have been able to attack the likes of France, Germany, Russia or China but there was a time when the US would have to tread a little more carefully in foreign policy terms (like Iraq for example) because there was always the threat of a Russian counter measure.jord wrote:
Has there ever been under 4?Braddock wrote:
You need more than one.usmarine wrote:
well you need war mongers just as much as you need useless nations
i am going to root for Russia on this. I prefer their malevolent ways, at least their honest about it and don't fanny about under the freedom banner.
Blackbelts are just whitebelts who have never quit.
The issue is at hand of what will the United States do? Will they help thier allies in the east and show the world that our treaties are more than words? Will they back down and ignore Gerogia and take flak from thier current allies and push away new ones? Will they try to end this peacefully for a combination of both?
The pawns have been set into place. It is time for the United States to make a choice on the matter and show the world what it is willing to do to help its allies.
The pawns have been set into place. It is time for the United States to make a choice on the matter and show the world what it is willing to do to help its allies.
In the middle, Peaceful renegotiations and mediation.Liberal-Sl@yer wrote:
The issue is at hand of what will the United States do? Will they help thier allies in the east and show the world that our treaties are more than words? Will they back down and ignore Gerogia and take flak from thier current allies and push away new ones? Will they try to end this peacefully for a combination of both?
The pawns have been set into place. It is time for the United States to make a choice on the matter and show the world what it is willing to do to help its allies.
i never fanny aboot and you never root for mem3thod wrote:
i am going to root for Russia on this. I prefer their malevolent ways, at least their honest about it and don't fanny about under the freedom banner.
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When you become Minister for foreign affairs we might start applauding the US for it's upfront, no pretense approach.usmarine wrote:
i never fanny aboot and you never root for mem3thod wrote:
i am going to root for Russia on this. I prefer their malevolent ways, at least their honest about it and don't fanny about under the freedom banner.
...but until then, Nostrovia!
Hard to blame the Russians here.
i will annex ireland and steel ye whiskeyBraddock wrote:
When you become Minister for foreign affairs
Ghost Recon up!jord wrote:
As training teams I imagine.MAGUIRE93 wrote:
Yea were not going to get involved. But me thinks some Special Forces groups will be sent over there.jord wrote:
Maybe it's the name of the thread, I already saw one duplicate.
The US will probably offer mediation and talks. I can't see them going to war with Russia over this. Some guy in the Pentagon will have run this scenario and whilst the Georgians say it's in the US's interest to help, I don't think it is. It might improve the international image because they'd be sticking up for essentially the little bullied kid against a proper military. That's not worth WW3.
Screw it, I'm in!usmarine wrote:
i will annex ireland and steel ye whiskeyBraddock wrote:
When you become Minister for foreign affairs
Ironic isn't it?
Everybody is busy watching the olympics while russian jets and tanks attack Georgia....
Everybody is busy watching the olympics while russian jets and tanks attack Georgia....
Russia is fucking nuts]
evil corrupt bastards they are
evil corrupt bastards they are
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Time to recycle the EU and make it do what was supposed to be done?jord wrote:
The fact is soon Russia and China are going to be stronger than Britain and America if they're not already. As I've said I doubt the US is going to lose Billions if not Trillions fighting against Russia in money as well as thousands of soldiers lives.
Georgia, I'm sorry to say isn't worth it.
Besides, don't count out the other EU nations, frenchies, germans etc.
inane little opines
Why, the the rest of the EU is barely capable of anything military against Russia. The EU fails when the more powerful nations do something.dayarath wrote:
Time to recycle the EU and make it do what was supposed to be done?jord wrote:
The fact is soon Russia and China are going to be stronger than Britain and America if they're not already. As I've said I doubt the US is going to lose Billions if not Trillions fighting against Russia in money as well as thousands of soldiers lives.
Georgia, I'm sorry to say isn't worth it.
Besides, don't count out the other EU nations, frenchies, germans etc.
French and Germany and even Britain would hardly stand a chance. And if we did we'd all be ruined financially for 100 years.
Thats the point. They WON'T help Georgia.BALTINS wrote:
But where is the point on provoking Russia without having no one backing them, how can they be sure the US, NATO whatever will help them..
Georgia started it anyway, and you just can't have someone else fight your battles for you anyway. This is a stupid reason for US/Europe to go to war with Russia for.
As far as I see this, if South Ossetia wants to be an independent nation (that includes not being part of Russia), let them have their independence.
If they want to be part of Russia, then fuck that, then the Ossetians there should move to Russia. But I guess, what ever happens now, SO isn't going to be Georgian territory anymore, in the worst case even Georgia won't be.
If they want to be part of Russia, then fuck that, then the Ossetians there should move to Russia. But I guess, what ever happens now, SO isn't going to be Georgian territory anymore, in the worst case even Georgia won't be.
I wouldn't say that exactly. The Ossetians see themselves as a distinct people and the Georgians have been smart enough to grant them de facto independence in this regard. The Russians on the other hand are still bitter that they lost the Georgian region never mind the Ossetian region and have been giving out Russian passports like sweeties to anyone in Ossetia who will take them, this then gives the Russians the pretense of 'protecting their citizens' in times of anything resembling a conflict. The whole situation has been very much engineered.topthrill05 wrote:
Hard to blame the Russians here.
I think you overestimate Russia's military a little. Russia has a large force yes, but it is still deprived in the sense of a superpower military. Their equipment is generally older and they don't have enough of their new tech to cover everything. Their military is not expected to return to something like their Cold War days until about 2020.Braddock wrote:
The US WILL NOT engage Russia in open warfare, they simply can't go down that road, it would be apocalyptical.Ryan wrote:
Before we know it, the US is going to decide to stick their nose in this new war and send troops into there. Why not just let them fight it out on their own?
And furthermore, I think you may have to put that missile shield system on hold for a while!
I feel bad for Georgia. If NATO assembles, it will be an epic battle.
BF: Bad Company tbh
I think you underestimate it. The bandwagon of "Yeah Russia/China have millions of soldiers but they're shit, their weapons are shit and their equipment is shit" is long gone. They still have enough military and political clout to go to war with small countries like Georgia and not be called on it. Plus they got nukes.M.O.A.B wrote:
I think you overestimate Russia's military a little. Russia has a large force yes, but it is still deprived in the sense of a superpower military. Their equipment is generally older and they don't have enough of their new tech to cover everything. Their military is not expected to return to something like their Cold War days until about 2020.Braddock wrote:
The US WILL NOT engage Russia in open warfare, they simply can't go down that road, it would be apocalyptical.Ryan wrote:
Before we know it, the US is going to decide to stick their nose in this new war and send troops into there. Why not just let them fight it out on their own?
And furthermore, I think you may have to put that missile shield system on hold for a while!
The Russian army is still relying on their older generation T-72's and T-80's, they don't have vast stocks of the newer upgraded T-90 tanks. Their main rifle is still the AK-74, and only small numbers have been given the newer AK-100 series weapons. Nukes I don't see come into this, they weren't going to use them for the 50-60 years when everyone was pointing them at everything. Russia does have well trained soldiers and some decent equipment, but this idea that Russia could steamroller the entire European continent is rather ludicrous.jord wrote:
I think you underestimate it. The bandwagon of "Yeah Russia/China have millions of soldiers but they're shit, their weapons are shit and their equipment is shit" is long gone. They still have enough military and political clout to go to war with small countries like Georgia and not be called on it. Plus they got nukes.M.O.A.B wrote:
I think you overestimate Russia's military a little. Russia has a large force yes, but it is still deprived in the sense of a superpower military. Their equipment is generally older and they don't have enough of their new tech to cover everything. Their military is not expected to return to something like their Cold War days until about 2020.Braddock wrote:
The US WILL NOT engage Russia in open warfare, they simply can't go down that road, it would be apocalyptical.
And furthermore, I think you may have to put that missile shield system on hold for a while!
I'm not talking Nazi Germany steam rolls, I'm talking a long time win. They would drag it out enough for them to mass produce newer weapons and then they'd take over mainland Europe within 10 years. That's my guess anyway.M.O.A.B wrote:
The Russian army is still relying on their older generation T-72's and T-80's, they don't have vast stocks of the newer upgraded T-90 tanks. Their main rifle is still the AK-74, and only small numbers have been given the newer AK-100 series weapons. Nukes I don't see come into this, they weren't going to use them for the 50-60 years when everyone was pointing them at everything. Russia does have well trained soldiers and some decent equipment, but this idea that Russia could steamroller the entire European continent is rather ludicrous.jord wrote:
I think you underestimate it. The bandwagon of "Yeah Russia/China have millions of soldiers but they're shit, their weapons are shit and their equipment is shit" is long gone. They still have enough military and political clout to go to war with small countries like Georgia and not be called on it. Plus they got nukes.M.O.A.B wrote:
I think you overestimate Russia's military a little. Russia has a large force yes, but it is still deprived in the sense of a superpower military. Their equipment is generally older and they don't have enough of their new tech to cover everything. Their military is not expected to return to something like their Cold War days until about 2020.