BF2S Forums You can use a iPhone for alot more than calls....

TheAussieReaper wrote:

Yeah but you have to mail the phone to them, and hope that they take it to work and use it without realising what it could be doing.

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Very similar to the phone that Morgan Freeman places in the office building that emits that high frequency pulse, etc.

What they did was mail it to the desired target company and make up a fake worker, so the phone sits and starts digging.

If you use it for more of a industrial espionage would work, the company I used to work at we had no security like that. Packages came in and the receptionist would sign for the and they would sit until the mail room would pick them up.

(Yes, we did have to deal with that kind of thing, Fucking Chinese)

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

lame

Any building security worth their salt will collect cell phones and monitor suspicious packages. Not to mention all the background checks you have to do in the first place to be allowed to work at such a place.

edit: Now that I've actually read the article, it's even worse. They had to do so much physical modification to it there is no point to actually using an iphone.

1) You would be surprised about that first statement. Also it's a tiny package that would be seen as 'mis-addressed'. Even if they were to open it all they would see would be a phone.

2) There would be very little background check needed. Call the company, ask for....William Rhektal and once they say and confirm no one works there with that name you're set to send it.

3) They did no physical modification except put some software on it and buy a $25 battery for it used for long flights or trips or vacations.

It's a hell of a lot cheaper then flying to a place and possibly getting personally arrested.


EDIT: This in't the first time someone has used cell phones to infiltrate businesses. People use their laptops to connect to phones with bluetooth and access information that way by either looking at the information on the phone or having the phone call the laptop therefore they would be able to hear what was going on in, say, a business meeting. Better yet. Go federal and get in on a meeting within the FBI or other federal branch. Of course that last part is a theoretical hypothetical...

Last edited by xBlackPantherx (2008-08-09 02:15:44)

ghettoperson wrote:

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

Any building security worth their salt will collect cell phones and monitor suspicious packages. Not to mention all the background checks you have to do in the first place to be allowed to work at such a place.

You've clearly never been anywhere near a large corporate building. The lack of security they have sometimes is shocking.

Exactly as I said. Hell, you could do this to almost any company. Actually, a smaller company would actually be able to harder to do this to because someone would be more inclined to give it back to the mail carrier to be reshipped.

My dad has worked in companies with federal defense contracts, in some of the more sensitive areas of the building, and I have spoken with people working in similarly secure jobs. Nothing gets in, nothing gets out. No cds or flash drives to bring your work home, no data storage devices in or out, background check on you, your friends, your roommate, your roommate's friends, etc. etc.

Taping a fat battery to a phone is very suspicious. Even in an xray scanner would probably pick it up as suspicious enough to take a look at, seeing as it looks like a bomb.

Larger companies don't necessarily need security because they can sue any direct competition that tries to use company secrets. They still need some level of security, but the places that need 100% assurance that the data doesn't get into the wrong hands at the stake of the free world, (lol) they have good security.

SgtHeihn wrote:

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

My dad has worked in companies with federal defense contracts, in some of the more sensitive areas of the building, and I have spoken with people working in similarly secure jobs. Nothing gets in, nothing gets out. No cds or flash drives to bring your work home, no data storage devices in or out, background check on you, your friends, your roommate, your roommate's friends, etc. etc.

Taping a fat battery to a phone is very suspicious. Even in an xray scanner would probably pick it up as suspicious enough to take a look at, seeing as it looks like a bomb.

Larger companies don't necessarily need security because they can sue any direct competition that tries to use company secrets. They still need some level of security, but the places that need 100% assurance that the data doesn't get into the wrong hands at the stake of the free world, (lol) they have good security.

The problem is that those lawsuits take along time, by the time everything gets resolved, the product is old and outdated.

We had a pallet of competitors stuff that they copied from us in our warehouse, it had been their 3yrs, and the lawsuit was still dragging on.
That's where this would make money, not stealing government secrets.

Lawsuits are expensive for both sides. Unless you're just out for vengeance and not profit, it's not worth it.

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

My dad has worked in companies with federal defense contracts, in some of the more sensitive areas of the building, and I have spoken with people working in similarly secure jobs. Nothing gets in, nothing gets out. No cds or flash drives to bring your work home, no data storage devices in or out, background check on you, your friends, your roommate, your roommate's friends, etc. etc.

Taping a fat battery to a phone is very suspicious. Even in an xray scanner would probably pick it up as suspicious enough to take a look at, seeing as it looks like a bomb.

Larger companies don't necessarily need security because they can sue any direct competition that tries to use company secrets. They still need some level of security, but the places that need 100% assurance that the data doesn't get into the wrong hands at the stake of the free world, (lol) they have good security.

You do realize that all the phone has to do is get to the mail carrier right?? I'm pretty sure they don't have all that background check, x-ray machines etc in the mail room. It's not like someone has to sneak it into a digital storage facility or something. All it has to do is be within range of a wifi and/or computers within the office. Also, they company would have no one to sure as they'd have no idea of knowing who sent the phone. Everything you just said there is pretty much void. Try again.

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

xBlackPantherx wrote:

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

My dad has worked in companies with federal defense contracts, in some of the more sensitive areas of the building, and I have spoken with people working in similarly secure jobs. Nothing gets in, nothing gets out. No cds or flash drives to bring your work home, no data storage devices in or out, background check on you, your friends, your roommate, your roommate's friends, etc. etc.

Taping a fat battery to a phone is very suspicious. Even in an xray scanner would probably pick it up as suspicious enough to take a look at, seeing as it looks like a bomb.

Larger companies don't necessarily need security because they can sue any direct competition that tries to use company secrets. They still need some level of security, but the places that need 100% assurance that the data doesn't get into the wrong hands at the stake of the free world, (lol) they have good security.

You do realize that all the phone has to do is get to the mail carrier right?? I'm pretty sure they don't have all that background check, x-ray machines etc in the mail room. It's not like someone has to sneak it into a digital storage facility or something. All it has to do is be within range of a wifi and/or computers within the office. Also, they company would have no one to sure as they'd have no idea of knowing who sent the phone. Everything you just said there is pretty much void. Try again.

There is no "mail room". Everything goes through security to go into the facility. There is no wireless interface in a secure building. Do you think these people are idiots? You think no one who runs these facilities have thought a cell phone or laptop could pose a security risk?

Of course there is a mail room. You think they just have stuff wait in the lobby for people to pick it up? As for checking the contents of each package for the most part this isn't done. And I really don't know what you're on about a 'secure building'. The article is talking about both companies and government buildings. Yes, the CIA headquarters will check the contents of all their mail. But will a bank? Or another large corporation? A lot of the time they don't.
There most certainly is a wireless connection in all businesses these days, although unlike the article says I'm my general experience they are password protected.

You appear to think companies are the Umbrella Corporation] when it comes to security. I can assure you, I've seen a lot of things that are rather worrying and a lot of companies are downright stupid when it comes to security. I'm sure the same goes for the government in a lot of respects.

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

As I said, my dad worked in a secure part of a building for a company that did government defense contracts. He has stories of people barely leaving the office because they can't take their work home, talking to the bartenders of prospective employees...they take this shit very seriously. People don't wait in the lobby to pick things up, security people take apart packages and give the employees what they actually need, not a box. These types of places do not have any sort of wireless, it is one more security hole.

Seriously people, if there is something worth stealing, there is going to be security to match. Wal Mart and Frito Lay headquarters is not going to have ehardcore security. EDS and Boeing are.

Even if what you're saying is true, there are thousands of big businesses that this type of technique could easily infiltrate. Like you said there are businesses that won't let their employees take their work home, but what's to say that within the business it isn't open. In fact, that is a very believable notion and a very realistic one. Don't even think about saying that a company doesn't communicate within itself. About the passwords and digital protection, this technique claims to be able to pass all of that. Also, unless they employee signed something in their contract saying they give permission to "take apart" their mail then that is against the law. Again, I seriously doubt that companies would invest in an $80,000 x-ray machine simply to check mail for one building alone.

motherdear wrote:

as flaming maniac says the secure areas of the companies are usually very strict and would most likely not allow laptops or phones into the building and all networking would be done through a seperate wire system without any internet access. internet access might be available in certain parts of the building but would be monitered and heavily modified to not allow you to download anything except a page or similar and would have security guards. it all depends on the company obviously but especially military contracters should not be foiled around with. a lot of other companies though are just awful

Meh. That's not true. I've done onsite work at enough different companies to know that. We have loads of big clients who have little to no security in place and the ones with security (like the BBC, News International and the AP - even the Bank of England didn't have security on the level some people in this thread have been talking about) have nothing once you're past the front desk.

Last edited by Bertster7 (2008-08-10 05:32:20)

"You can use a iPhone for alot more than calls...."

-sex toy?

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

Bertster7 wrote:

motherdear wrote:

as flaming maniac says the secure areas of the companies are usually very strict and would most likely not allow laptops or phones into the building and all networking would be done through a seperate wire system without any internet access. internet access might be available in certain parts of the building but would be monitered and heavily modified to not allow you to download anything except a page or similar and would have security guards. it all depends on the company obviously but especially military contracters should not be foiled around with. a lot of other companies though are just awful

Meh. That's not true. I've done onsite work at enough different companies to know that. We have loads of big clients who have little to no security in place and the ones with security (like the BBC, News International and the AP - even the Bank of England didn't have security on the level some people in this thread have been talking about) have nothing once you're past the front desk.

What do those companies, especially the news ones, have to hide? The news companies operate on the bleeding edge, by the time you get anything useful it's outdated. What does a bank have to hide? They have a lot of money, and you know that's in a secure vault, and they have financial records, that is pure network security. I bet you didn't see anything of particular interest past the front desk either.

You see stuff of interest in many of the places. Especially at film studios, where they have very lax security, past the perimeter (where they certainly don't confiscate phones). The first time I went to Pinewood they were shooting for the Dark Knight, is that more the sort of thing you had in mind?